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So PA has been called for Biden, so it's time to talk about the Biden presidency.

The Biden-Harris Team Official Transition Website: https://buildbackbetter.com/

What's next?

(And you can lock and delete the other thread now... ;) OK, no, we need to remember Trump as a warning for the future, especially since we didn't get a repudiation of Trumpism, but damn, how I wish we could block him out of history and our minds.)
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Good luck, Joe. You’re going to need it. And we thought the R’s were obstructionist during the Obama years. HA!

He has no chance to do anything for months. It’s lawsuits all the way down.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:11 am Good luck, Joe. You’re going to need it. And we thought the R’s were obstructionist during the Obama years. HA!
You think he needs luck? Think of his poor counter-snipers.
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Their first task may be an eviction. Biden campaign statement just now:

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First step is to try to win the run-off elections in GA. Also double-checking Senate vote counts to make sure that there isn't another Senate seat or two in the cards. Both unlikely (especially the latter) but critically important. The sad part about the result is that without a Senate majority Biden's not going to be doing much other than temporarily putting out the fire for the next 2 - 4 years.
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El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:39 am First step is to try to win the run-off elections in GA. Also double-checking Senate vote counts to make sure that there isn't another Senate seat or two in the cards. Both unlikely (especially the latter) but critically important. The sad part about the result is that without a Senate majority Biden's not going to be doing much other than temporarily putting out the fire for the next 2 - 4 years.
I'll leave people to their joy for now but I participated in an informal firm internal war game for political junkies last night and my notes have some stark predictions. I dropped one in the other thread.
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El Guapo wrote:First step is to try to win the run-off elections in GA. Also double-checking Senate vote counts to make sure that there isn't another Senate seat or two in the cards. Both unlikely (especially the latter) but critically important. The sad part about the result is that without a Senate majority Biden's not going to be doing much other than temporarily putting out the fire for the next 2 - 4 years.
The Biden Presidency was always going to be about two things:

1) Stop pouring gasoline on the US electorate.
2) Restore the competency of the Executive Branch.

He doesn’t need McConnell to do either of those things.

Outside of that, he has to get us on a path to properly deal with COVID at the national level, actually helping *all* states (red, blue and purple) getting the help they need to fight this fight.

The idea that he could do anything else at this point Is a fantasy.

Oh, and presumably he can stop the DOJ from supporting the fight against the ACA. He doesn’t need the GOP for that either.

In the meantime, if I’m the Dems, I rev up the machine on COVID/economic stimulus, and I make the GA senate runoffs entirely about getting that stimulus passed.
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malchior wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:44 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:39 am First step is to try to win the run-off elections in GA. Also double-checking Senate vote counts to make sure that there isn't another Senate seat or two in the cards. Both unlikely (especially the latter) but critically important. The sad part about the result is that without a Senate majority Biden's not going to be doing much other than temporarily putting out the fire for the next 2 - 4 years.
I'll leave people to their joy for now but I participated in an informal firm internal war game for political junkies last night and my notes have some stark predictions. I dropped one in the other thread.
Which other thread?
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El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:11 pm
malchior wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:44 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:39 am First step is to try to win the run-off elections in GA. Also double-checking Senate vote counts to make sure that there isn't another Senate seat or two in the cards. Both unlikely (especially the latter) but critically important. The sad part about the result is that without a Senate majority Biden's not going to be doing much other than temporarily putting out the fire for the next 2 - 4 years.
I'll leave people to their joy for now but I participated in an informal firm internal war game for political junkies last night and my notes have some stark predictions. I dropped one in the other thread.
Which other thread?


Edit: The long version here is that we came to the conclusion that because of this election, in Florida the GOP has full control over the re-districting process that they will likely implement a Wisconsin like plan - essentially the SCOTUS has said they will not intervene - that will build a permanent lopsided gerrymander in Florida that'll control the State House and take House seats from the Democrats.

Florida went 16 R - 11 D this year. Assuming they keep 27 or increase possibly to 28-29 Congressional districts in the re-apportionment. It's up in the air but they should either stay level or grow slightly. Anyway, they'll probably be able to take at least 4 seats if not more in the re-districting by gerrymander alone.

We didn't run that through every state but it seemed reasonable to ballpark that preserving the House Majority will be difficult...with the usual implications for 2022 and beyond.
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First things first:

Reasonable response to Covid19.
Relief funds to American people.
Restore relations with our allies.
Get police AND protesters to stand down.
Pursue criminal charges against Trump's scofflaws.
Stop insanity at the borders.

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Just revoking Trump's executive orders and getting back in the Paris Climate Accords will make things 1000x better.
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RunningMn9 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:03 pm 1) Stop pouring gasoline on the US electorate.
That alone will be enough to let me sleep better at night.
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RunningMn9 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:03 pm1) Stop pouring gasoline on the US electorate.
2) Restore the competency of the Executive Branch.
100% agree. And frankly, accomplishing either (or both!) of these is more than reason enough to celebrate.
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Don't forget that on day one Biden fires

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Look how much shit Trump has done without the Congress. Biden can do the exact same activity. We can get back into the Climate Change Agreement. We can let China know we won't take shit about Taiwan. We can stop the sell of our national areas to commercial interests. He can fire the idiot who is in charge of the FCC and the other idiot who is in charge of the Consumer Financial Bureau. There's SO MUCH that he can do and that I believe he will do to get us back on track. No there won't be Medicare for All and the police will stay funded but just because he's not progressive isn't cause for despair.
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And a shit ton of EOs to cancel.
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Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 pm And a shit ton of EOs to cancel.
It's always amazing to me the chaos an EO can cause.

The one around D&I training last month has caused my entire industry to essentially seize up, created mountains of work for training directors and D&I program specialists, and derailed large scale training deployments in nearly every federal agency. All of which is likely to be for naught, come January.
Don't get me wrong, I'm incredibly grateful it will be rescinded. But the amount of wasted time, effort, and money here is staggering.

And that was likely one of the EO's with a smaller overall impact
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Lorini wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 pm He can fire the idiot who is in charge of the FCC
Unfortunately, not that one. They are appointed for five year terms. I think Biden will be able to appoint someone else chairman, but Pai will still be on the panel (Edit: Pai's term began in 2017, so he's serving through 2022).
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Republicans whining about limiting EO's in 3...2...1...
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Having (probably) a Republican Senate and a Democratic VP has a good chance of causing problems for my agency, I imagine. And I'd be surprised if we didn't have another shutdown at some point.
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Defiant wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:06 amOK, no, we need to remember Trump as a warning for the future, especially since we didn't get a repudiation of Trumpism, but damn, how I wish we could block him out of history and our minds.)
Um, I hate to bring this up but Trump got almost 70 million votes last I saw. This mess we're in is not in the past, it's not something to remember. It's going on right now and will continue for the foreseeable future. In a way, the pandemic is a metaphor for what's going on politically in this country. Trumpism has spread and many are infected with it, and we have no herd immunity or vaccine. I wish Biden good luck, because the more successful he is he better off the people of this country will be but I'm hesitant to expect anything until the mid term elections. With Republicans controlling the senate this ride is going to continue to be a rough one.
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stessier wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:39 pm
Lorini wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 pm He can fire the idiot who is in charge of the FCC
Unfortunately, not that one. They are appointed for five year terms. I think Biden will be able to appoint someone else chairman, but Pai will still be on the panel (Edit: Pai's term began in 2017, so he's serving through 2022).
FCC wrote:The FCC is directed by five commissioners appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate for five-year terms, except when filling an unexpired term. The President designates one commissioner to serve as chairman. As the chief executive officer of the Commission, the chairman delegates management and administrative responsibility to the Managing Director. Certain other functions are delegated to staff units and bureaus and to committees of commissioners. The commissioners hold regular open and closed agenda meetings and special meetings. They also may act between meetings by "circulation," a procedure by which a document is submitted to each commissioner individually for consideration and official action.
Right but he won't be in charge nor re-appointed and that's enough for me. Be interesting to find out exactly how many agency openings Biden will be able to fill.
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Lorini wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:44 pm
stessier wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:39 pm
Lorini wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 pm He can fire the idiot who is in charge of the FCC
Unfortunately, not that one. They are appointed for five year terms. I think Biden will be able to appoint someone else chairman, but Pai will still be on the panel (Edit: Pai's term began in 2017, so he's serving through 2022).
FCC wrote:The FCC is directed by five commissioners appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate for five-year terms, except when filling an unexpired term. The President designates one commissioner to serve as chairman. As the chief executive officer of the Commission, the chairman delegates management and administrative responsibility to the Managing Director. Certain other functions are delegated to staff units and bureaus and to committees of commissioners. The commissioners hold regular open and closed agenda meetings and special meetings. They also may act between meetings by "circulation," a procedure by which a document is submitted to each commissioner individually for consideration and official action.
Right but he won't be in charge nor re-appointed and that's enough for me. Be interesting to find out exactly how many agency openings Biden will be able to fill.
The general expectation is that everyone (at the chair / agency chief level) leaves so that the new president can appoint people of his liking. But then, McConnell's already been saying that he's going to get all up in Biden's business on his appointments, rather than just accept qualified scandal-free people that Biden wants.
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El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:46 pm
Lorini wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:44 pm
stessier wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:39 pm
Lorini wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 pm He can fire the idiot who is in charge of the FCC
Unfortunately, not that one. They are appointed for five year terms. I think Biden will be able to appoint someone else chairman, but Pai will still be on the panel (Edit: Pai's term began in 2017, so he's serving through 2022).
FCC wrote:The FCC is directed by five commissioners appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate for five-year terms, except when filling an unexpired term. The President designates one commissioner to serve as chairman. As the chief executive officer of the Commission, the chairman delegates management and administrative responsibility to the Managing Director. Certain other functions are delegated to staff units and bureaus and to committees of commissioners. The commissioners hold regular open and closed agenda meetings and special meetings. They also may act between meetings by "circulation," a procedure by which a document is submitted to each commissioner individually for consideration and official action.
Right but he won't be in charge nor re-appointed and that's enough for me. Be interesting to find out exactly how many agency openings Biden will be able to fill.
The general expectation is that everyone (at the chair / agency chief level) leaves so that the new president can appoint people of his liking. But then, McConnell's already been saying that he's going to get all up in Biden's business on his appointments, rather than just accept qualified scandal-free people that Biden wants.
This is one area that I'd like to see Biden play hardball. Interim appointments can work, as we've seen. Even if they are eventually ruled illegal, it could take years.
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Lorini wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 pm Look how much shit Trump has done without the Congress. Biden can do the exact same activity. We can get back into the Climate Change Agreement. We can let China know we won't take shit about Taiwan. We can stop the sell of our national areas to commercial interests. He can fire the idiot who is in charge of the FCC and the other idiot who is in charge of the Consumer Financial Bureau. There's SO MUCH that he can do and that I believe he will do to get us back on track. No there won't be Medicare for All and the police will stay funded but just because he's not progressive isn't cause for despair.
Pete Buttigieg tackles this topic on his latest epidode of his podcast. Interview with Journalist Jonathan Alter.
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I would not underestimate Biden's connections in Congress across the aisle. He's got decades worth of working relationships in his favor.

I'm not saying he's going to be able to work miracles, but "Biden/McConnell" is a much different dynamic than "<Random Democrat>/McConnell."
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Just saw it pointed out that, according to Trump and the GOP and right-wing media, it’s perfectly fine for Biden to start doing secret back-channel foreign policy right now.
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I really hope Biden has some tight security at his speech tonight... :pray:
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:13 pm I really hope Biden has some tight security at his speech tonight... :pray:
He's always needed tight security, but so does Trump.
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Lorini wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 pm Look how much shit Trump has done without the Congress. Biden can do the exact same activity. We can get back into the Climate Change Agreement. We can let China know we won't take shit about Taiwan. We can stop the sell of our national areas to commercial interests. He can fire the idiot who is in charge of the FCC and the other idiot who is in charge of the Consumer Financial Bureau. There's SO MUCH that he can do and that I believe he will do to get us back on track. No there won't be Medicare for All and the police will stay funded but just because he's not progressive isn't cause for despair.
Trump did 2 years with a friendly congress and the other 2 with a friendly Senate. Biden will not only have a non-friendly Senate he will have an openly hostile one.
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Defiant wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:41 pm
How many years has it been since we didn't have Geraldine Ferraro? Talk about glass ceiling. And it's still not broken.
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Biden can use Trump's tactics to get around the Senate, sure. But should he? Isn't that one of the reasons that we despised Trump so much? Biden will help determine whether Trump was an anomaly or the new normal.
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So far I like President Biden better than the last one.
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Finally got a chance to watch Biden's remarks tonight. Well done, Joe. Well done!!!
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Kurth wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:29 am Finally got a chance to watch Biden's remarks tonight. Well done, Joe. Well done!!!
Some dweeb on Fox News criticized Biden for not claiming victory. Let that sink in. No, asswipe, that's what your guy does. Joe will wait until all the votes are counted, as is correct and proper.
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Blackhawk wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:41 am Biden can use Trump's tactics to get around the Senate, sure. But should he? Isn't that one of the reasons that we despised Trump so much? Biden will help determine whether Trump was an anomaly or the new normal.
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One of the things tRumplethinskin was good at was being his own hype man. And going back to Clinton, I feel like the American people, by and large, believe what the president tells them. If he says "Economy is great, best ever!" on some level they believe him and spend more, making the economy better. So Joe needs to learn that lesson and say it loudly, and often, the good things he's doing, and how great things are. Be honest about the challenges and struggles, but hype yourself a bit, too.
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