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It's a pattern that's appearing constantly in politics. Take part of a statement, remove it from context, and add a new context that was never there. If you can find a way to make it look like they're stating something that's against their own values to make them look bad to their friends, so much the better.

It's the basis of almost any Twitter post that involves a politician on one side quoting the other.
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Where is the line between being "creepy" and sexual harassment?
You know where it is? It's in the opinion of the person it's happening to.
For anyone to say that someone feeling uncomfortable should just brush it off because it's "common behavior" is wrong.
Zarathud didn't say it was "bad", he said it was "common behavior". Maybe for him, but I beg to differ.
Nothing taken out of context.
"being creepy at a wedding is common behavior and nothing compared to paying off porn stars with campaign funds"
Nothing to who?
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It's been pointed out that Neanderthals probably died out when their last populations succumbed to new diseases.
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Holman wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:59 pm It's been pointed out that Neanderthals probably died out when their last populations succumbed to new diseases.
They didn't make their caves great enough (again). LOSERS!!!
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So Blackburn thinks Abbot isn't those things?
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They were doing fine until the Cro-magnons took away their guns.
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Biden is screwed now, he just lost himself the Neanderthal vote for his run at a second term. You need to be careful who you insult.
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stimpy wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:09 pm Where is the line between being "creepy" and sexual harassment?
You know where it is? It's in the opinion of the person it's happening to.
Totally agreed. Brushing off the Cuomo allegations sickens me as well.
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stimpy wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:09 pm Where is the line between being "creepy" and sexual harassment?
You know where it is? It's in the opinion of the person it's happening to.
For anyone to say that someone feeling uncomfortable should just brush it off because it's "common behavior" is wrong.
Zarathud didn't say it was "bad", he said it was "common behavior". Maybe for him, but I beg to differ.
Nothing taken out of context.
"being creepy at a wedding is common behavior and nothing compared to paying off porn stars with campaign funds"
Nothing to who?
With such a good moral compass, how on earth do you navigate your casual opinion of Trump ?

Shouldn’t you be more vocal about how creepy Trump is?

Shouldn’t the pussy grabber be more of a turnoff than he clearly is for you ?
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Stimpy’s selective character assassination depends on broad allegations. Cuomo’s harassment comes down to three claims:
1 - Cuomo asked a younger woman for a kiss at a wedding. Bad taste, creepy. But trying to score at a wedding is common enough to be the story of Wedding Crashers, Wedding Singer, etc.
2 - Cuomo made tasteless jokes about strip poker to women at the office in close quarters. Bad taste, stupid. He definitely knew better. Worse because it was at work, but the legal standard is unwelcome and pervasive. Better to stay clear.
3 - Cuomo was obsessed with one woman who definitely felt harassed. This is the one to be upset about, and office gossip definitely contributed to a bad and unwelcome work environment. They are investigating what Cuomo personally did.

Compare just a few examples with Trump:
6- Trump brags on tape that he can grab women by the pussy and get away with it at work and elsewhere. Unrepentant, physical assault.
7 - Trump pays off women he assaulted or screwed, has friends suppress their stories, and sends lawyers to sue them for speaking up. Retaliation, intimidation.
8 - Trump uses campaign funds to pay off women porn stars using campaign funds. Cover-up that his lawyer goes to jail for.

Note I skipped a few numbers due to the gap in the severity of conduct. Draw the lines and numbers where you want, but it is less severe conduct even if you wouldn’t tolerate it.

While I wouldn’t intend to do any if them because my mother taught me “not to be another useless man,” I can’t say under the right circumstances I might have unintentionally told a tasteless joke at work or made an unwelcome advance at the weddings of my 42 first cousins. And I have had women superiors compliment me for being respectful to their authority and to other women co-workers.

News and testimony and criminal proceedings have proven Trump is actually despicable, yet stimpy still defends him while criticizing unproven lesser conduct. The double standard and hypocrisy is glaring. But weaponizing the left’s tendency to attack itself has become the standard strategy of misdirection under Trump — and that is sickening to me.
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That's a thing that is crazy about our society. A man approaches a woman at a wedding. If she is not interested the man is labeled as creepy. If she is interested and they get married, the man is celebrated.

Go figure.
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I haven't been following this stuff but...
Jaymann wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:23 am That's a thing that is crazy about our society. A man approaches a woman at a wedding. If she is not interested the man is labeled as creepy. If she is interested and they get married, the man is celebrated.
Yeah, "creepy" is entirely subjective.
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As someone who has trouble understanding social cues and expectations to begin with, I'm utterly overjoyed the fact that I have never dated post-high school, and likely never will. I've had two serious relationships, and both went from casual acquaintance straight to full relationship without all the in-between stuff.
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Me and my wife met when I was 18. Now that she is gone Ill never bother with relationships again. In this world Im very glad I dont want one.
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There is also no coincidence that Trump surrogates are going after his New York nemesis Gov. Cuomo now. If the Republicans can’t tarnish Obama or Biden, or pretend there will be a Trump Presidency encore performance, go after their popular allies who made Trump look bad on COVID-19. It’s all about fluffing up Baby’s ego and weakening the enemy.
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Zarathud wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:43 pm There is also no coincidence that Trump surrogates are going after his New York nemesis Gov. Cuomo now. If the Republicans can’t tarnish Obama or Biden, or pretend there will be a Trump Presidency encore performance, go after their popular allies who made Trump look bad on COVID-19. It’s all about fluffing up Baby’s ego and weakening the enemy.
They're also licking their chops that backlash will give them a chance at a Republican governor who will pardon You Know Who.
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Stimulus bill passed! No word on minimum wage hike.

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Seven Dems and an Ind voted against including it in this bill.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541 ... nimum-wage
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Isgrimnur wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:55 pm Seven Dems and an Ind voted against including it in this bill.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541 ... nimum-wage
If Bernie is an independent, how do the Dems have a Senate majority?
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He caucuses with them and usually votes with them.
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And this Ind was from Maine.
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Jaymann wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:03 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:55 pm Seven Dems and an Ind voted against including it in this bill.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541 ... nimum-wage
If Bernie is an independent, how do the Dems have a Senate majority?
The answer is basically that he has been accepted as a member of the Senate Democratic leadership. It's why he was in the Primary.
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Unagi wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:13 pm
Jaymann wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:03 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:55 pm Seven Dems and an Ind voted against including it in this bill.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541 ... nimum-wage
If Bernie is an independent, how do the Dems have a Senate majority?
The answer is basically that he has been accepted as a member of the Senate Democratic leadership. It's why he was in the Primary.
The Senate majority leader, and the committee chair positions / organization of the Senate, is determined by whomever a majority of Senators vote for. Bernie and the Maine independent (Angus King) voted for Schumer / Democratic leadership, so that's what we have. Sanders and King are basically Democrats it's just that they like the independent label.

Also - the minimum wage hike isn't happening unless they repeal / greatly curtail the filibuster. I guess there's also an outside chance that they replace the Senate parliamentarian before the next reconciliation bill.
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El Guapo wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:32 am

Also - the minimum wage hike isn't happening unless they repeal / greatly curtail the filibuster. I guess there's also an outside chance that they replace the Senate parliamentarian before the next reconciliation bill.
Do they *have* 50 votes for the $15 hike? I thought they only had like 43.

I would think lowering the amount (say to ~$12.50?) might be a more likely way we'll see a hike.

(I chose $12.50 because that's about the highest it's been historically, when adjusted for inflation).
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I know a lot of the objection from Democrats to including it in the current plan was just the timing. Some of them are in favor, but their priority is to get the stimulus/relief passed and they know that they probably can't do both together. They didn't want to end up killing the relief in order to push this one point. Hopefully they find a way to bring it up separately, debate the options and numbers, and get something passed.
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Defiant wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:27 am
El Guapo wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:32 am

Also - the minimum wage hike isn't happening unless they repeal / greatly curtail the filibuster. I guess there's also an outside chance that they replace the Senate parliamentarian before the next reconciliation bill.
Do they *have* 50 votes for the $15 hike? I thought they only had like 43.

I would think lowering the amount (say to ~$12.50?) might be a more likely way we'll see a hike.

(I chose $12.50 because that's about the highest it's been historically, when adjusted for inflation).
Well, that's another question. But they obviously don't have 60 for $15. My guess is that they don't have 60 votes for *any* minimum wage hike, but it's not completely out of the question.

If I had to guess if they curtail the filibuster they'd end up with some minimum wage increase, probably something like $12/hr with indexing.
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I must say the progressive wing (not just actual politicians, but friends of mine) can be really annoying. They have this mentality that if you don't go all the way progressive then you're dead to them and may as well not do anything. It's maddening. The world, much less the US government, doesn't turn on a dime like that. You have to make concessions, and getting some of what you want is a million times better than the utter disaster we've had the last four years.

I've got multiple progressive FB friends who have taken to just trashing Biden up and down for any minor infraction, and all I can think is "You guys want more Trump? Because this infighting is how we get more Trump."
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Two sides - liberal and conservative - should balance each other out and help us to avoid either extreme, but neither side is willing to do that. It's all of one or all of the other or you're a traitor, and that's going to ruin us.
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Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., a crucial swing-vote in the Senate Democrats’ slim majority, said Sunday that he won’t bend in his support for the filibuster, a Senate rule that forces most legislation to require bipartisan support to pass.

But he added that he would be open to Democrats passing more important legislation like voting reforms by a party-line vote — if senators are given ample space for bipartisan negotiation first.
House Democrats just passed a major ethics and voting reform bill last week but that legislation is unlikely to get much bipartisan support. There are strict rules as to what types of provisions can qualify to pass under reconciliation, so it's unclear how much of that bill could survive the reconciliation process.

“I will change my mind if we need to go to a reconciliation” if “we have to get something done,” Manchin said, but only after “my Republican friends have the ability to have their say also.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t ... y-n1259902

Sounds like he's not wavering on the filibuster, but is more open to passing things through reconciliation (provided there's at least an attempt at bipartisanship first).
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Defiant wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:09 pm
Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., a crucial swing-vote in the Senate Democrats’ slim majority, said Sunday that he won’t bend in his support for the filibuster, a Senate rule that forces most legislation to require bipartisan support to pass.

But he added that he would be open to Democrats passing more important legislation like voting reforms by a party-line vote — if senators are given ample space for bipartisan negotiation first.
House Democrats just passed a major ethics and voting reform bill last week but that legislation is unlikely to get much bipartisan support. There are strict rules as to what types of provisions can qualify to pass under reconciliation, so it's unclear how much of that bill could survive the reconciliation process.

“I will change my mind if we need to go to a reconciliation” if “we have to get something done,” Manchin said, but only after “my Republican friends have the ability to have their say also.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t ... y-n1259902

Sounds like he's not wavering on the filibuster, but is more open to passing things through reconciliation (provided there's at least an attempt at bipartisanship first).
This is good news, if a little tentative. It's his first indication that he's not 100% all in on the filibuster. Really, all I want from Manchin is to go along with voting reforms.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:12 pmAnd this Ind was from Maine.
I'm wildly confused about King's vote. He's typically for working wages.
Sen. Angus King (I-Maine)

King is an independent who has caucused with Democrats since coming to the Senate in 2013.

He has worked behind the scenes in recent days to lower the income cutoff for people who are eligible to receive direct stimulus payments, helping to reduce the threshold for complete phaseout from $100,000 in individual income — which House Democrats approved — to $80,000.

King also voiced support this week for reducing weekly federal unemployment benefits to $300. President Biden and House Democrats favored a $400 weekly federal plus-up.

King in 2014 supported raising the federal minimum to $10.10 an hour.

Maine Public Radio reported in January that King supported raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour but did not quote him saying so.
That's not the picture of someone who'd be opposed to $15/hr. Was there something else in the bill that was objectionable and it's easy to say he was against $15/hr instead?

Ah.
King, an independent who typically caucuses with Democrats, told the Wall Street Journal last week that he supports a $15 minimum wage but not the current push to eliminate the sub-minimummwage. He told the Journal that he feared the increased labor costs for restaurants would cause them to lay off employees.
Maine has a huge food services industry (for the state) as a place people historically vacation at. The concern over eliminating the shit wages so wait staff can live off tips is crap, though. When a restaurant shifts to "No tipping, we pay people fair wages" they also increase prices to cover the change in pay and post signs to advise patrons what it means. It doesn't drive the business to slash headcounts. It mostly means the turds who refuse to tip or think it's cute to leave $0.01 as a tip don't get to troll people.

And I mean, food services in Maine is a big business.
The Portland City Clerk's office has 536 registered food service establishments with food preparation, according to Alexandra Murphy, assistant city clerk. Assuming a Portland population of 63,000, we come up with one restaurant for every 118 people. Pretty good! With that kind of figure, Portland even tops San Francisco. Using 2008 population estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau that peg San Francisco's population at 808,976, and conservative estimates that place the number of restaurants on its peninsula between 2,600 and 3,500, we come up with one restaurant for every 231 to 311 people.
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Some rather remarkable comparative numbers between Biden's COVID bill and Trump's tax cuts.






Tax Policy Center analysis shows that Biden covid-bill would raise incomes of lowest earning fifth of Americans by 20%, or $2,810 each

for highest earning fifth: .7%, or $1,900 each...

...by contrast TPC analysis of Trump’s 2017 tax cuts showed bottom fifth gained average of .4%, or $60 each in first year

top fifth gained 2.9%, or $7,640 each...

...so strictly in dollar terms, Trump tax cut for top fifth averaged 125x the tax cut for bottom fifth

Biden covid bill gives bottom fifth an average of just about 1.5x the amount going to top fifth
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Republicans can't accept, or don't understand, that money inevitably floats to the top. It's all going to end up in the pockets of the billionaires eventually, and it will do some good before it lodges there. If the coronavirus cooperates and fades away this summer, Biden's bill is going to seriously juice the economy.
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Kraken wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:04 pm Republicans can't accept, or don't understand, that money inevitably floats to the top. It's all going to end up in the pockets of the billionaires eventually, and it will do some good before it lodges there.
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I'm torn on the $15 minimum wage. On one hand, I know many small business owners that are struggling hard right now, and would likely cut staff if that happened here (and I say here, because I do think the effects would vary according to local economies and geography). OTOH, if EVERYbody had to do it, then you raise your prices of goods/service, since everyone else will likely have to do that as well (unless they were already paying that or above). I think it would definitely affect smaller business more, of course, and negatively.

I wonder how hard it would be to do this by company size? There really is a MASSIVE difference for Costco to raise their wage to $15 vs mom and pop restaurant down the street doing so.

Maybe start super small: all publicly traded companies. Or companies with 500+ employees. Something like that. I think starting smaller like that would ultimately achieve the same thing (just more slowly) since if someone has a basket of options of companies to work for, they are LIKELY going to go for the $15 jobs at Costco, Amazon, Dunkin', etc. Which will put PRESSURE on the small businesses to follow suit, or have a tough time finding employees. But it won't force them by law. While that happens they can figure out ways to pay for the increased wages.
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I can’t figure something out:
NPR wrote:The legislation would temporarily expand the child tax credit, increasing the amount to $3,000 for children ages 6 to 17 and $3,600 for children under age 6.

The amount is gradually reduced for couples earning over $150,000 and individuals earning over $75,000 per year. Families eligible for the full credit would get payments of up to $300 per child per month from July through the end of the year.
So they are temporarily expanding it for which filing year? 2020 or 2021? And this is the first time I’m hearing about monthly payments in July. But that also doesn’t yield $3000. So I don’t have any idea what that is.

I already filed and my daughter turned 17 last year. So should I be getting that $3000 (she went to $0, well $500 as she qualified for the “other dependent” credit or something like that)? Is this for next years taxes, when she will have turned 18, so I get the botch?
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RunningMn9 wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:33 pm I can’t figure something out:
NPR wrote:The legislation would temporarily expand the child tax credit, increasing the amount to $3,000 for children ages 6 to 17 and $3,600 for children under age 6.

The amount is gradually reduced for couples earning over $150,000 and individuals earning over $75,000 per year. Families eligible for the full credit would get payments of up to $300 per child per month from July through the end of the year.
So they are temporarily expanding it for which filing year? 2020 or 2021? And this is the first time I’m hearing about monthly payments in July. But that also doesn’t yield $3000. So I don’t have any idea what that is.

I already filed and my daughter turned 17 last year. So should I be getting that $3000 (she went to $0, well $500 as she qualified for the “other dependent” credit or something like that)? Is this for next years taxes, when she will have turned 18, so I get the botch?
Funny, I had the same question. Did a little digging and I think all these things they are discussing right now like this, are for 2021 tax year.

Some of the things I was reading were making me wonder if I should delay doing taxes this year, to wait for the massive CHA-CHING thanks to my largish brood. But nay, very sure this is not retroactive.
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Re: The Biden Presidency Thread

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I'll say it again but the problem with $15 minimum wage is there is no economic or historical basis for it. The number was pulled out of thin air. It would represent the highest minimum wage in adjusted dollars *ever* by 25% over the adjusted minimum wage in the early 70s of about $12.
Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:27 pmI wonder how hard it would be to do this by company size? There really is a MASSIVE difference for Costco to raise their wage to $15 vs mom and pop restaurant down the street doing so.
FWIW - Costco has already announced they'll be going higher to $16 right now but generally paid higher wages than other retail as part of its labor strategy of providing higher customer service.
Last edited by malchior on Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:57 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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