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El Guapo wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:36 pm
Holman wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:07 am
Kraken wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:48 pm On a tangent, I was reading about the curse of Tippecanoe (apocryphal) that causes presidents elected in years ending in 0 to die in office. The pattern held from 1840 to 1960, only to be broken in 1980 and 2000. I hope Biden doesn't reestablish it.
It also includes all the presidents who have been assassinated. :(
So it consistently happened except for the years where it didn't happen?
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Also I don't think that 1940 should count. FDR died in 1945, after being reelected in 1944.
If that's the case, Lincoln shouldn't count either, since he died after being reelected.
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Ok...assuming congress and the WH are both democratic, which is seemingly hopeful at this hour, what's the 'Biden Plan'? <orchestral crescendo>

I mean I know what we heard in the campaign but that's campaign talk and not reality in DC. Are we looking at a national mask mandate? A quick strike tax increase on the rich? Immediate $2k stimulus checks?
I realize things can still change and Bob knows we're going to have challenges/recounts in these races so they aren't officially over for awhile yet. Just trying to get a sense of what to expect if the dream has indeed come true
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GungHo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:17 am Ok...assuming congress and the WH are both democratic, which is seemingly hopeful at this hour, what's the 'Biden Plan'? <orchestral crescendo>

I mean I know what we heard in the campaign but that's campaign talk and not reality in DC. Are we looking at a national mask mandate? A quick strike tax increase on the rich? Immediate $2k stimulus checks?
I realize things can still change and Bob knows we're going to have challenges/recounts in these races so they aren't officially over for awhile yet. Just trying to get a sense of what to expect if the dream has indeed come true
Quick list: Mask mandate as law? Nah, though I would expect Biden to urge it from the bully pulpit. A tax increase is unlikely considering the recession. Biden has said he'd back a $2000 check. However, don't get too euphoric here. Unless we have filibuster reform we'll soon see that having the majority is important but might not be enough. Unfortunately Biden and the new most powerful Senator in America Joe Manchin don't support filibuster reform so we may still find America ungovernable with Democratic control of both Chambers and the White House.
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I do have hope that Biden's long relationships with moderate Republicans in the Senate will allow him to get some baby steps passed. It's not going to be a year of sweeping reforms, but I think significant progress will be made over the next two years towards undoing some of Trump's damage.
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malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:40 am
GungHo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:17 am Ok...assuming congress and the WH are both democratic, which is seemingly hopeful at this hour, what's the 'Biden Plan'? <orchestral crescendo>

I mean I know what we heard in the campaign but that's campaign talk and not reality in DC. Are we looking at a national mask mandate? A quick strike tax increase on the rich? Immediate $2k stimulus checks?
I realize things can still change and Bob knows we're going to have challenges/recounts in these races so they aren't officially over for awhile yet. Just trying to get a sense of what to expect if the dream has indeed come true
Quick list: Mask mandate as law? Nah, though I would expect Biden to urge it from the bully pulpit. A tax increase is unlikely considering the recession. Biden has said he'd back a $2000 check. However, don't get too euphoric here. Unless we have filibuster reform we'll soon see that having the majority is important but might not be enough. Unfortunately Biden and the new most powerful Senator in America Joe Manchin don't support filibuster reform so we may still find America ungovernable with Democratic control of both Chambers and the White House.
I'm expecting he'll put a competent vaccine task force in place that will identify bottlenecks, implement a vaccine tracking and notification plan so providers know exactly when and where to expect deliveries, and use the power of the presidency to reduce bottlenecks. Possibly implement the Defense Production Act to get companies to ramp up production of the Covid saliva test kits and production of PPE. Put covid tracking back in the hands of the CDC and re-institute weekly presentations to show how COVID is being managed and provide the country with the reassurance that someone competent is now in charge of reducing the pandemic.

As for everything else, that can wait. The country needs to know it's in good hands.
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Maybe but 2 years might be all we have to make reforms and they might need to be sweeping. The next few months will give us hints.
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malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:10 am Maybe but 2 years might be all we have to make reforms and they might need to be sweeping. The next few months will give us hints.
Very likely true. Biden doesn't really do "bold," and quietly restoring competence will be satisfying in itself. But one hopes he'll push at least one signature achievement while he has the chance -- probably something cautious like strengthening Obamacare, and possibly a modest tax hike. Maybe a meaningful climate initiative.

I hope Joe surprises me with something more ambitious.
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Kraken wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:55 am
malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:10 am Maybe but 2 years might be all we have to make reforms and they might need to be sweeping. The next few months will give us hints.
Very likely true. Biden doesn't really do "bold," and quietly restoring competence will be satisfying in itself. But one hopes he'll push at least one signature achievement while he has the chance -- probably something cautious like strengthening Obamacare, and possibly a modest tax hike. Maybe a meaningful climate initiative.

I hope Joe surprises me with something more ambitious.
The Joe that you should be talking to is Joe Manchin. He'll basically be deciding the Democratic agenda for the next 2 years at least.
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malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:40 am
GungHo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:17 am Ok...assuming congress and the WH are both democratic, which is seemingly hopeful at this hour, what's the 'Biden Plan'? <orchestral crescendo>

I mean I know what we heard in the campaign but that's campaign talk and not reality in DC. Are we looking at a national mask mandate? A quick strike tax increase on the rich? Immediate $2k stimulus checks?
I realize things can still change and Bob knows we're going to have challenges/recounts in these races so they aren't officially over for awhile yet. Just trying to get a sense of what to expect if the dream has indeed come true
Quick list: Mask mandate as law? Nah, though I would expect Biden to urge it from the bully pulpit. A tax increase is unlikely considering the recession. Biden has said he'd back a $2000 check. However, don't get too euphoric here. Unless we have filibuster reform we'll soon see that having the majority is important but might not be enough. Unfortunately Biden and the new most powerful Senator in America Joe Manchin don't support filibuster reform so we may still find America ungovernable with Democratic control of both Chambers and the White House.
Couldn't they pass a stimulus check through reconciliation?
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Alefroth wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:09 am
malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:40 am
GungHo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:17 am Ok...assuming congress and the WH are both democratic, which is seemingly hopeful at this hour, what's the 'Biden Plan'? <orchestral crescendo>

I mean I know what we heard in the campaign but that's campaign talk and not reality in DC. Are we looking at a national mask mandate? A quick strike tax increase on the rich? Immediate $2k stimulus checks?
I realize things can still change and Bob knows we're going to have challenges/recounts in these races so they aren't officially over for awhile yet. Just trying to get a sense of what to expect if the dream has indeed come true
Quick list: Mask mandate as law? Nah, though I would expect Biden to urge it from the bully pulpit. A tax increase is unlikely considering the recession. Biden has said he'd back a $2000 check. However, don't get too euphoric here. Unless we have filibuster reform we'll soon see that having the majority is important but might not be enough. Unfortunately Biden and the new most powerful Senator in America Joe Manchin don't support filibuster reform so we may still find America ungovernable with Democratic control of both Chambers and the White House.
Couldn't they pass a stimulus check through reconciliation?
The problem is you can only do one spending reconciliation once in a fiscal year. And they just passed all their budgets so they'd be tying their hands early in the year with the crisis still raging.
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Schumer was saying that there would be a new stimulus check (for $2000) coming soon.

Also, IIUC, it's one reconciliation per fiscal year, and this years hasn't been used yet, so that would give them two for this calendar year.
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Sending $2,000 stimulus checks to most U.S. taxpayers is at the top of the list for New York Sen. Chuck Schumer now that Democrats are set to regain control of the Senate.

Schumer, who’s in line to take over as Senate majority leader, revealed his stimulus check priority while talking to reporters on Capitol Hill after both Democratic challengers in Georgia’s Senate runoff elections were declared victorious over the Republican incumbents.
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1. Is it really $2000 or is it just $1400 to go with the previous $600 to make it $2000?

2. Also must be nice all the people who attacked DC today will get a nice fat check to buy a new gun with or perhaps plane tickets to come back and visit DC again...or a town near you.
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Defiant wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:18 am Schumer was saying that there would be a new stimulus check (for $2000) coming soon.

Also, IIUC, it's one reconciliation per fiscal year, and this years hasn't been used yet, so that would give them two for this calendar year.
That's correct. Also one big deal from Schumer being majority leader is that he'll have authority over what things come to the Senate floor. A big problem with getting things done is that McConnell could just bury popular bipartisan bills that would pass from even coming to a vote.

So if I was Schumer what I would do is make one of the first bills a straight increase of stimulus checks to $2,000. There's a decent chance that you could get 60 votes for that.
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Are we really sure Biden will get to take over?
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I think it's safe to say yes. Aren't you?
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If you're wondering what to spend your theoretical future stimulus check on, you now have the opportunity to buy the Joe Biden inaugural medal for the low, low price of $1200? :roll:
Collectors will be able to buy official Joe Biden presidential inaugural medals in bronze and .999 fine silver versions before Biden takes the oath of office as the 46th president of the United States Jan. 20.
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The President Obama 2013 medal was priced at $1,250.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:31 pm
The President Obama 2013 medal was priced at $1,250.
So you're saying this is a deal!
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Exactly.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:39 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:31 pm
The President Obama 2013 medal was priced at $1,250.
So you're saying this is a deal!
More like a steal, just like the election! :wink:
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You could buy two rolls of American Eagles for the same price. These presidential coins have zero collectible value, you're just overpaying $1,970 for an ounce of silver.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:00 pm You could buy two rolls of American Eagles for the same price. These presidential coins have zero collectible value, you're just overpaying $1,970 for an ounce of silver.
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Wait, 1,200 - 30 = 1,970? :think:
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Defiant wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:28 pm If you're wondering what to spend your theoretical future stimulus check on, you now have the opportunity to buy the Joe Biden inaugural medal for the low, low price of $1200? :roll:
Collectors will be able to buy official Joe Biden presidential inaugural medals in bronze and .999 fine silver versions before Biden takes the oath of office as the 46th president of the United States Jan. 20.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins ... ng-offered
Did they print 46 on the medals already? May have been a bit hasty if so.
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So I'm beginning to lose hope that Biden is going to be effective beyond tactical level things. Just this morning reports are that he doesn't support impeachment and was partially behind the slow roll -- I'll assume they are hoping for a resignation that isn't coming. He is focused on pandemic. Obviously very important in the fact that it is the overwhelming death vector.

He seems to want to address the insurrection but prematurely move past the major crisis of legitimacy brewing here. We saw ex-military, cops, business executives, small business owners, and regular folks invade the Capitol. Despite an *ACTUAL INSURRECTION* the reports that he thinks we just need to move on are baffling. He is going to quickly find out *THEY* have a different plan for our country. Heck Trump's attempts to get back on Twitter were to inspire his base and make a connection there. I don't think these people are just going to magically disappear.

What the base are saying to the press despite the Capitol attack indicates as such. The person in the quote below was *THERE*. Maybe not inside the Capitol but at the rally. She saw what happened with her own eyes and still thinks Trump is the solution and that Biden will bring communism to the United States. Biden can't coddle this away.
Taylor is a staunch Trump supporter and recently travelled to Washington DC for a post-election pro-Trump rally. A photographer by trade, she was upset by the rioting but believes unsubstantiated claims that left-wing radicals were behind the violence.

It was just heart-breaking to watch what was going on and the behaviour of protesters is just not like the Trump people I've been around. If it did come from any conservatives, then I condemn it. There's no excuse for violence.

It doesn't change my support for Trump. The people that love Trump, that's not going to change no matter if he gets a second term or not. It just means we're going to hold out for 2024 and hope either he runs again or his kids do.

Our country is going to go downhill over the next four years if Biden does take office. I'm actually moving today out of the city into the suburbs of a Republican county because I am afraid of how Democratic counties will end up under a Biden presidency.

We're going to catapult towards socialism and communism. I'm worried for the country's future, but regardless of who takes office, we have a lot of healing to do. I hope we can all find our common humanity and embrace each other when this is all over, which is hopefully soon.
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malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:03 am So I'm beginning to lose hope that Biden is going to be effective beyond tactical level things. Just this morning reports are that he doesn't support impeachment and was partially behind the slow roll -- I'll assume they are hoping for a resignation that isn't coming. He is focused on pandemic. Obviously very important in the fact that it is the overwhelming death vector.
Honestly. This is pretty much how I think he should handle it.

As long as others are leading the charge, and it sounds like there will be, he can stay one layer above it.

I’m pretty sure I heard that he was ok with how ever the congress decided to deal with Trump.
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Unagi wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:17 am
malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:03 am So I'm beginning to lose hope that Biden is going to be effective beyond tactical level things. Just this morning reports are that he doesn't support impeachment and was partially behind the slow roll -- I'll assume they are hoping for a resignation that isn't coming. He is focused on pandemic. Obviously very important in the fact that it is the overwhelming death vector.
Honestly. This is pretty much how I think he should handle it.

As long as others are leading the charge, and it sounds like there will be, he can stay one layer above it.
That is my point. He can't stay one level above it. I believe it inescapably will be the defining issue of his Presidency and will be tied to actual impact in Congress. His whole approach is going to fail if he doesn't start pushing Republicans to start telling the truth. Graham, Cruz, Hawley, et. al. are all already defending Trump again and starting to make noise about protecting his base. They want to be the successor and Biden has to find a way to cut in there. Prior to the insurrection he faced a wide front of a cold political war. Now that it has finally showed indications it might bloom very hot the math has all changed. In this new reality, events may very well overrun his naïve designs on unity. I hope he succeeds but it feels far fetched.
I’m pretty sure I heard that he was ok with how ever the congress decided to deal with Trump.
Those were the public comments. Apparently behind the scenes he has been pushing back against impeachment according to some of the accounts I heard on MSNBC this morning.
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Jaymann wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:09 pm Wait, 1,200 - 30 = 1,970? :think:
Whoops, $1,170. :oops: That's what I get for posting at the end of a work day.

Still 2 rolls of silver eagles.
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malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:03 am So I'm beginning to lose hope that Biden is going to be effective beyond tactical level things. Just this morning reports are that he doesn't support impeachment and was partially behind the slow roll -- I'll assume they are hoping for a resignation that isn't coming. He is focused on pandemic. Obviously very important in the fact that it is the overwhelming death vector.

He seems to want to address the insurrection but prematurely move past the major crisis of legitimacy brewing here. We saw ex-military, cops, business executives, small business owners, and regular folks invade the Capitol. Despite an *ACTUAL INSURRECTION* the reports that he thinks we just need to move on are baffling. He is going to quickly find out *THEY* have a different plan for our country. Heck Trump's attempts to get back on Twitter were to inspire his base and make a connection there. I don't think these people are just going to magically disappear.

What the base are saying to the press despite the Capitol attack indicates as such. The person in the quote below was *THERE*. Maybe not inside the Capitol but at the rally. She saw what happened with her own eyes and still thinks Trump is the solution and that Biden will bring communism to the United States. Biden can't coddle this away.
I have the same fear. I'm all for healing but you can't start healing until you clean and set the wound. The Dems playbook routinely calls for concession and decorum in the face of truly malicious and/or criminal activity. The other side doesn't play by any standard of decency or set of rules.

It's like putting a bandaid on a festering cut and hoping it goes away because the polite thing would be to go away.
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Personally, if I were going to buy a coin, it would be the HG Wells coin with a four legged tripod.


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Can Joe Biden make America great again?
Every year after 1975, Joe Biden, his second wife Jill, his sons Beau and Hunter and their growing families, would gather for Thanksgiving on Nantucket island off Cape Cod. Part of the annual ritual was that the Bidens would take a photograph of themselves in front of a quaint old house in the traditional New England style that stood above the dunes on their favourite beach.

In November 2014, when Biden was serving as Barack Obama’s vice-president, he found, where the house should have been, an empty space marked out by yellow police tape. The building, he wrote in his memoir Promise Me, Dad had “finally run out of safe ground and run out of time; it had been swept out into the Atlantic”.

This absence haunted him. On his return to Washington, Biden “kept seeing the little … house, undermined by the powerful indifference of nature and the inevitability of time, no longer able to hold its ground; I could almost hear the sharp crack as its moorings failed, could envisage the tide as it washed in and out, pulling at it relentlessly and remorselessly until it was adrift on the water, then swallowed up by the sea.”

If Biden were to write this now, it would read as a heavy-handed political metaphor. He is about to fulfil an ambition that has driven him for half a century by assuming the presidency of the United States.

But he arrives to find that great office a ruin, with police tape all around it. Donald Trump’s demented last days have washed away the illusion of the US as a stable, settled democracy. On 6 January, a date that will live long in American infamy, all the entitled rage of the white nativism that Trump has channelled finally burst through the seawalls that protected the illusion of a healthy, functioning republic. The polity escaped complete inundation, but the breach is gaping.
The writer runs the metaphor to good effect. Worth the read.
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