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Jaymon wrote:He wasn't the president we needed. He was the president we deserved.
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Maybe he educated the American public on the need to get the hell off their collective asses and vote every time no matter how "in the bag" they think it is for their candidate?
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Trump did raise the federal minimum age to buy tobacco products from 18 to 21, so there’s that.
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Kraken wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:05 pmYup, that was what I had in mind. Despite the clumsy trade war and all those tariffs that we've paid, the issue of IP theft is at least out in the open now, and is going to have to be addressed as part of re-normalization.
Actually IP issues were a huge cornerstone in the TPP agreement. It would have committed all the signatories to protecting IP rights and put pressure on China. Now that China has formed its own economic sphere they don't need to worry about IP rights at this scale. They'll probably make some improvements but continue to steal away. Here is a opinion piece that goes into the details. I'm all for giving credit where it is due but he doesn't deserve any credit for this. Obama had set it up already and built the tough partnerships to make it work and Trump gave it all away to China.
Holman wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:06 pmThere should never be any treating of him as a flawed but sincere opponent. He's a criminal who abused the power he was given, and he kept at it until the very end. He's doing it right now.
I think there were likely some people that were brought into the administration who genuinely were good actors. But they remained good actors by flying under Trump's radar of corruption or as you said accidental good acts or ones that aligned with his personal interests. He is an aberration but I'm sure there are some bright spots. The national security people mostly held up for instance. That is a bit of faint praise and anecdotally I know a lot of "agency" cybersecurity people fled out into the private sector. Maybe they'll go back but for my vantage the pay jump makes it a one-way street.
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malchior wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:27 am
Holman wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:06 pmThere should never be any treating of him as a flawed but sincere opponent. He's a criminal who abused the power he was given, and he kept at it until the very end. He's doing it right now.
I think there were likely some people that were brought into the administration who genuinely were good actors. But they remained good actors by flying under Trump's radar of corruption or as you said accidental good acts or ones that aligned with his personal interests. He is an aberration but I'm sure there are some bright spots. The national security people mostly held up for instance. That is a bit of faint praise and anecdotally I know a lot of "agency" cybersecurity people fled out into the private sector. Maybe they'll go back but for my vantage the pay jump makes it a one-way street.
I'm sure there were plenty of highly decent people sprinkled throughout lower levels of the administration. (We saw a few of them when they came to testify, for example...)

But if good actors did good by flying under the radar, they certainly aren't anything *Trump* did right.
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I don't think we have to worry about Trump getting "the Bush treatment," where we have rich liberals talking about what a great guy he is 10 years from now.

If nothing else, he's made it perfectly clear he doesn't want it and won't accept it.
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Pretty sure he once called the whole Russia thing, “A Fake Witch Hunt”, which kinda means it wasn’t a witch hunt.
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Little Raven wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:38 am He didn't start any wars. Bad as he was, he has definitely been the President least inclined to military action that we've had in a long time.
+1

I worry that BidenHarris will owe-ski too much to whatever organisms kicked in all of that dark money. I fear that we will be in a new shooting war by May 2021. I Sooooo Hope I'm wrong and Biden is the sweet old fellow you all assure me that he is.

We make more enemies with foreign military entanglements than we can count and those grudges last for generations.
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Yojimbo wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:04 am I worry that BidenHarris will owe-ski too much to whatever organisms kicked in all of that dark money.
Um, what?
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Holman wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:14 am
Yojimbo wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:04 am I worry that BidenHarris will owe-ski too much to whatever organisms kicked in all of that dark money.
Um, what?
Sorry, obscure on my part. 501(c) organizations that support candidates with money that is largely untraceable. One can hope that much of this money is given freely with no strings attached. One also can hope that the creek will run with Lime Jarritos any day now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... r-n1239830
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespen ... e=U&chrt=P

That's a smack ton of money given Either for Biden or against Trump. Since Trump repeatedly refused to start any new wars, I have the logical concern that some of the people who want him out might be selling tanks and not shampoo.
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Yojimbo wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:38 am
Holman wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:14 am
Yojimbo wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:04 am I worry that BidenHarris will owe-ski too much to whatever organisms kicked in all of that dark money.
Um, what?
Sorry, obscure on my part. 501(c) organizations that support candidates with money that is largely untraceable. One can hope that much of this money is given freely with no strings attached. One also can hope that the creek will run with Lime Jarritos any day now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... r-n1239830
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespen ... e=U&chrt=P

That's a smack ton of money given Either for Biden or against Trump. Since Trump repeatedly refused to start any new wars, I have the logical concern that some of the people who want him out might be selling tanks and not shampoo.
I agree with no new wars (at least until he lost the election - fingers crossed). And Moscow Mitch opposed the troop draw down...
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Yojimbo wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:38 am
Holman wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:14 am
Yojimbo wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:04 am I worry that BidenHarris will owe-ski too much to whatever organisms kicked in all of that dark money.
Um, what?
Sorry, obscure on my part. 501(c) organizations that support candidates with money that is largely untraceable. One can hope that much of this money is given freely with no strings attached. One also can hope that the creek will run with Lime Jarritos any day now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... r-n1239830
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespen ... e=U&chrt=P

That's a smack ton of money given Either for Biden or against Trump. Since Trump repeatedly refused to start any new wars, I have the logical concern that some of the people who want him out might be selling tanks and not shampoo.
I know what Dark Money is. It's your assumption that donors want a war that seems ridiculously specific.

And in case you weren't watching, weapon manufacturers did enormously well under Trump. Raytheon's revenue went up significantly every year under Trump, including a 40% (!!) increase in 2020. Lockheed and Grumman also did very well.
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Getting boots off the ground in the middle east is always a good goal. Let the middle east sort itself out. They will be irrelevant in ten years anyway (fingers crossed).
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Kraken wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:03 am
Agree with both posts. Now you have to fight JeffV for the thread. :horse:
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I think someone already touched on this, but maybe trump's doing us a backhanded favor by uncovering our system's holes and blind spots -- showing how much is governed my norms and expectations or by unenforceable laws. Whether that gives the next wannabe dictator a handy road map, or allows us to fix the exploits, is up to Moscow Mitch. We could start by reining in an outgoing president's authority during the lame duckency, such as by restricting his power to fire and appoint people in the interregnum, for example.
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He was right the election was rigged, but it wasn't the democrats doing the rigging.
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Trump "recommended" that Emily Murphy begin the transition process to a Joe Biden Presidency.
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Frum's an anti-Trump conservative who is a restrictionist on immigration, so I don't agree with the asylum changes that he includes in here, but otherwise this seems like a pretty reasonable list.
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He correctly determined the vote in Wisconsin was not 100% correct, so he demanded an audit in order to reduce his count by 271 votes.
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Is that an “Old Man Yells at Cloud” image ?
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Unagi wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:51 pm Is that an “Old Man Yells at Cloud” image ?
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Agolf demanded $2,000 per person in Covid19 relief. It had no chance of getting approved by Repugnicans in Congress, and my sink their ship in the GA runoff.
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Jaymann wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:05 pm Agolf demanded $2,000 per person in Covid19 relief. It had no chance of getting approved by Repugnicans in Congress, and my sink their ship in the GA runoff.
The Donkeys should have already prepared a Georgia advertising campaign ruthlessly attacking the Elephants on their non-support of hard hit families and businesses. They should be leaking these ads now to potential fence-sitters, and maybe even Moscow Mitch to put some fear into him.
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Purdue and Loeffler came out in support of the $2000, which is clearly just an effort to help their runoff chances. After all, both were very recently on record as being against any direct payments.
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Moscow Mitch is not allowing a vote on the $2,000 relief amount, paying lip service to Afolf's 230 idiocy and voter "fraud." Doubt if that will save him from the wrath of the Twittler.
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