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Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:33 pm
"Armed protests are being planned at all 50 state capitols from 16 January through at least 20 January, and at the US Capitol from 17 January through 20 January," according to an FBI bulletin obtained by @ABC. The FBI has "received information about an identified armed group intending to travel to Washington, DC on 16 January. They have warned that if Congress attempts to remove POTUS via the 25th Amendment a huge uprising will occur," according to a bulletin obtained by @ABC. A group is calling for “storming” state, local, and federal government courthouses and administrative buildings in the event President Trump is removed prior to Inauguration Day, per an FBI bulletin obtained by @ABC
Time to treat them like the terrorists they clearly are.
didn't see anything on ABC's twitter feed or their website. Waiting on anything to verify this first.
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Pyperkub wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:30 pmdidn't see anything on ABC's twitter feed or their website. Waiting on anything to verify this first.
How about here?
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:55 pm I said it before a couple years ago, it's been a good run! 200+ years, baby!

I don't think it's hyperbole to say that this could easily spill into another civil war. Hell, it might have already started with what we just saw and we are "in it". Lot of right-wing web-sites out there already assuming/hoping/expecting it to happen.

Unrelated, kinda: I'm frustrated at all the coverage that lumps in Republicans with Trumpsters. It has been clear for a long time now that these two entities have split, and will continue to diverge. Hell, Trump himself basically lit the fuse of dynamite under the GOP as a whole in his speech last week. I've seen off and on comments or calls or stances from Trump supporters that they despise the GOP and consider them traitors (this is well before the castle storming). It's beyond "If you ain't with us, you agin' us!", it's more like "if you ain't with us HARDCORE ENOUGH, you agin' us" That's really IMO the only hope we have right now, is that the Trump "faction" has such a high loyalty test, that they have or are diminishing their numbers tremendously. Or I HOPE that is the case. If it's NOT the case, and this even harder turn to the right ends up adding to their numbers, then we are all fucked anyway, and it doesn't really matter. :D

When you have a faction of people allowed to roam through the Capitol hallways looking for Mike Pence to string him up...MIKE PENCE...that is not easily resolved. Those people are Republicans? I think not. Not anymore, at least. We desperately need new terms/names, because "Republicans" is not granular enough anymore.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:55 pm I said it before a couple years ago, it's been a good run! 200+ years, baby!
Well, more like 55.
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Some possible misconceptions of the coup crew:

Trump will protect us.
If I proudly display my patriotism, no harm can come to me.
The second amendment allows me to carry weapons into the US Capitol.
No authorities monitor social media.
Telling the truth is not sedition.
Police will only shoot brown people.
If I get arrested Trump will pardon me.
If the coup fails it is business as usual.
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Jaymann wrote:Some possible misconceptions of the coup crew:

Trump will protect us.
If I proudly display my patriotism, no harm can come to me.
The second amendment allows me to carry weapons into the US Capitol.
No authorities monitor social media.
Telling the truth is not sedition.
Police will only shoot brown people.
If I get arrested Trump will pardon me.
If the coup fails it is business as usual.
We are white and above the law.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:49 pm Some possible misconceptions of the coup crew:

Trump will protect us.
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If I get arrested Trump will pardon me.
We still don't know for sure that this is off the table.
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Let me be the first to say - WTF Susan Collins:

"My first thought was that the Iranians had followed through on their threat to strike the Capitol."

Susan Collins on the Capitol siege.
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You got another think comin'.
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Smoove_B wrote:Let me be the first to say - WTF Susan Collins:

"My first thought was that the Iranians had followed through on their threat to strike the Capitol."

Susan Collins on the Capitol siege.
The Iranians!?! Did she stay up last night and watch one too many 80s movies like Invasion USA?

Guess what, the phone call is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!
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$iljanus wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:22 pm
Smoove_B wrote:Let me be the first to say - WTF Susan Collins:

"My first thought was that the Iranians had followed through on their threat to strike the Capitol."

Susan Collins on the Capitol siege.
The Iranians!?! Did she stay up last night and watch one too many 80s movies like Invasion USA?

Guess what, the phone call is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!
In a post-9/11 world, the idea that a country could strike the capitol (through terrorism) isn't that absurd. Especially if the only information you're aware of is the Capitol Police bursting in and taking the VP and the two Senate leaders away to safety.
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Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:33 pm
"Armed protests are being planned at all 50 state capitols from 16 January through at least 20 January, and at the US Capitol from 17 January through 20 January," according to an FBI bulletin obtained by @ABC. The FBI has "received information about an identified armed group intending to travel to Washington, DC on 16 January. They have warned that if Congress attempts to remove POTUS via the 25th Amendment a huge uprising will occur," according to a bulletin obtained by @ABC. A group is calling for “storming” state, local, and federal government courthouses and administrative buildings in the event President Trump is removed prior to Inauguration Day, per an FBI bulletin obtained by @ABC
Time to treat them like the terrorists they clearly are.
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Kurth wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:43 pm Tanks. I want to see tanks.
It would be sad if the sort of military presence the president whined for four years straight started showing up in reaction to Trump leaving office.
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Defiant wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm
In a post-9/11 world, the idea that a country could strike the capitol (through terrorism) isn't that absurd. Especially if the only information you're aware of is the Capitol Police bursting in and taking the VP and the two Senate leaders away to safety.
Collins is clearly lying, though. The rally was going on for a couple of hours before they marched to the Capitol and began hammering their way in. The situation was a matter of utmost concern to everyone in the building, including Collins' colleagues and all of their aides. You can't not hear a crowd of howling thousands on your front lawn, even before they break down the doors.

She narrates it as if she had no idea anything was happening until the Secret Service hustled Pence away. I call bullshit.
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Holman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Defiant wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm
In a post-9/11 world, the idea that a country could strike the capitol (through terrorism) isn't that absurd. Especially if the only information you're aware of is the Capitol Police bursting in and taking the VP and the two Senate leaders away to safety.
Collins is clearly lying, though. The rally was going on for a couple of hours before they marched to the Capitol and began hammering their way in. The situation was a matter of utmost concern to everyone in the building, including Collins' colleagues and all of their aides. You can't not hear a crowd of howling thousands on your front lawn, even before they break down the doors.

She narrates it as if she had no idea anything was happening until the Secret Service hustled Pence away. I call bullshit.
Fair enough - I didn't know what they would have known at that point.
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Holman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Defiant wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm
In a post-9/11 world, the idea that a country could strike the capitol (through terrorism) isn't that absurd. Especially if the only information you're aware of is the Capitol Police bursting in and taking the VP and the two Senate leaders away to safety.
Collins is clearly lying, though. The rally was going on for a couple of hours before they marched to the Capitol and began hammering their way in. The situation was a matter of utmost concern to everyone in the building, including Collins' colleagues and all of their aides. You can't not hear a crowd of howling thousands on your front lawn, even before they break down the doors.

She narrates it as if she had no idea anything was happening until the Secret Service hustled Pence away. I call bullshit.
It plays well with her "doddering, absent-minded, innocent Grandma" persona.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:49 pm Some possible misconceptions of the coup crew:

Trump will protect us.
If I proudly display my patriotism, no harm can come to me.
The second amendment allows me to carry weapons into the US Capitol.
No authorities monitor social media.
Telling the truth is not sedition.
Police will only shoot brown people.
If I get arrested Trump will pardon me.
If the coup fails it is business as usual.
This is MY house, I pay for it, and I pay for your salaries(to the cops trying to stop them)! (you can actually hear both those mantras over and over on many different videos)

One of those situations where they aren't wrong, TECHNICALLY, but...
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Holman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Defiant wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm
In a post-9/11 world, the idea that a country could strike the capitol (through terrorism) isn't that absurd. Especially if the only information you're aware of is the Capitol Police bursting in and taking the VP and the two Senate leaders away to safety.
Collins is clearly lying, though.
I'm not saying she's not, but to what end? What does she get out of that being the narrative? Just that she was innocently clueless?
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Alefroth wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:41 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Defiant wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm
In a post-9/11 world, the idea that a country could strike the capitol (through terrorism) isn't that absurd. Especially if the only information you're aware of is the Capitol Police bursting in and taking the VP and the two Senate leaders away to safety.
Collins is clearly lying, though.
I'm not saying she's not, but to what end? What does she get out of that being the narrative? Just that she was innocently clueless?
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msteelers wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:47 pm
I totally feel for the Capitol Police... generally... but this the problem with the "few bad apples" in these departments. I hope this is the sort of thing that finally gets police to turn on those apples.

also other links reported an officer or military personel arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html
(CNN)Two Capitol Police officers have been suspended and another individual has been arrested for their alleged roles in the riot at the US Capitol on January 6, said Rep. Tim Ryan.
"There were two people suspended. One was the selfie officer and another was an officer who had put a MAGA hat on and started directing some people around," said Ryan, an Ohio Democrat who is chair of the House subcommittee handling the investigation into the response to the insurrection. "It was the interim chief who determined that to be qualifying for immediate suspension."
Ryan had fewer details about the individual who was arrested, and was not sure if the person was a police officer or a member of the National Guard. He told reporters he would have more details later.
He added that there are approximately 10 to 15 Capitol Police officers under investigation for their behavior during the riot but did not have more specifics.
It's very short so I quote in full. If that is verboten feel free to remove it for me. :oops:
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I have no idea what actually went through Collins head in the heat of the moment, but I would bet that there are any number of terrorist organizations, state-sponsored or not, that are kicking themselves for not being in a position to infiltrate that mob with one or more suicide bombers. Someone kitted out like Zip Tie Guy #1 could have packed plenty of explosives in his tactical vest and have plenty of time to position themselves at an optimal location to make a statement.
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Holman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Defiant wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm
In a post-9/11 world, the idea that a country could strike the capitol (through terrorism) isn't that absurd. Especially if the only information you're aware of is the Capitol Police bursting in and taking the VP and the two Senate leaders away to safety.
Collins is clearly lying, though. The rally was going on for a couple of hours before they marched to the Capitol and began hammering their way in. The situation was a matter of utmost concern to everyone in the building, including Collins' colleagues and all of their aides. You can't not hear a crowd of howling thousands on your front lawn, even before they break down the doors.

She narrates it as if she had no idea anything was happening until the Secret Service hustled Pence away. I call bullshit.
I saw her quote in a very different light. I think she knew what was going on but, by comparing the rioters to Iranian Terrorists, she sent a message about what she thought about the mob without directly criticizing them in a way that would hurt her as a Republican politician.
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It's not like she's on the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Oh, wait...
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Apollo wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:51 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Defiant wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm
In a post-9/11 world, the idea that a country could strike the capitol (through terrorism) isn't that absurd. Especially if the only information you're aware of is the Capitol Police bursting in and taking the VP and the two Senate leaders away to safety.
Collins is clearly lying, though. The rally was going on for a couple of hours before they marched to the Capitol and began hammering their way in. The situation was a matter of utmost concern to everyone in the building, including Collins' colleagues and all of their aides. You can't not hear a crowd of howling thousands on your front lawn, even before they break down the doors.

She narrates it as if she had no idea anything was happening until the Secret Service hustled Pence away. I call bullshit.
I saw her quote in a very different light. I think she knew what was going on but, by comparing the rioters to Iranian Terrorists, she sent a message about what she thought about the mob without directly criticizing them in a way that would hurt her as a Republican politician.
Possible but it doesn't land. Her wobbly, consistently out of touch style just doesn't invite most people to give her statement this much thought.
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Max Peck wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:46 pm I have no idea what actually went through Collins head in the heat of the moment, but I would bet that there are any number of terrorist organizations, state-sponsored or not, that are kicking themselves for not being in a position to infiltrate that mob with one or more suicide bombers. Someone kitted out like Zip Tie Guy #1 could have packed plenty of explosives in his tactical vest and have plenty of time to position themselves at an optimal location to make a statement.
Who needs a vest? Did you see what Navistar Direct Marketing guy was carrying? They could have brought in any number suitcase bombs.
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Complicit VP, for reference (as if you're surprised)


A senior administration official confirms that President Trump and Vice President Pence met this evening in the oval office. The readout says they "pledged to continue to work on behalf of the country for the remainder of their term." Seemingly ruling out the 25th Amendment.
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WTF is wrong with people

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Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:23 pm Complicit VP, for reference (as if you're surprised)


A senior administration official confirms that President Trump and Vice President Pence met this evening in the oval office. The readout says they "pledged to continue to work on behalf of the country for the remainder of their term." Seemingly ruling out the 25th Amendment.
But he had a clear path to the Presidency, if only for a day or two.
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That must have been an awkward meeting, considering Trump called him a coward last week in front of the world.
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hepcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:55 pm That must have been an awkward meeting, considering Trump called him a coward last week in front of the world.
That was just a misunderstanding, he was talking about Noel Coward.
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Maybe Ted Cruz has been giving Pence pointers on coping with Trump. Trump said lots of worse things about Cruz, but Ted still manages to be completely servile.
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You know as well as I do that Cruz’s father DID kill JFK and that Cruz himself IS the Zodiac Killer!
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WTF.

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Who does this?!
The kind of people that would support Trump.
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Given that she's a player in Project Lincoln, I don't believe she's actually surprised.
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The Trump Pence meeting was probably just straight up extortion. "Donny, I'm the President for the next ten days. I make the decisions, I write the copy. You sign what I put in front of you. You stay in your room, keep your mouth shut, and watch your gorillas. Oh, and if you don't, I say three words and you're fired for being a nutjob. Ok? I'll have some chicken sent up later."

Seriously, Pence holds all the cards for the next week and a half.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:07 pm
hepcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:55 pm That must have been an awkward meeting, considering Trump called him a coward last week in front of the world.
That was just a misunderstanding, he was talking about Noel Coward.
Colin Cowherd would have been more believable.
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