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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by Carpet_pissr » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:02 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:51 pm
Hmm, that is something I need to consider before picking one. I think the Wirecutter review (or maybe Reviewd) compared upload speeds between the offerings. Should go back and look at that.
From Wirecutter's review:
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"Bandwidth control: You might imagine that faster is always better when it comes to online backups, but if your ISP imposes a monthly data cap, you may want the option to limit how fast your backup app sends data to the cloud. For example, if your Internet plan has a data transfer limit of 400 GB per month, some backup apps could max out your monthly allotment in less than two days unless you throttle the bandwidth to a more reasonable speed. On the other hand, if your ISP has no data caps, or if they’re sufficiently generous, you want the fastest possible throughput. Of the services I tested, only Carbonite appears to restrict bandwidth arbitrarily on the server end; the company claims upload speeds of “up to 10 Mbps,” regardless of how much bandwidth your broadband connection offers."

In addition, because upload speed is such an important consideration when you’re backing up to the cloud, I performed a series of timed tests with specially designed files. In particular, I wanted to test a worst-case scenario in which files would benefit as little as possible from compression, thus gaining a better idea of how the services’ apps compared in raw throughput. So I used a Unix utility to create files at various specific sizes (including 1 MB and 1 GB) consisting of completely random binary data, turned off other networking services, and fed my test files to each backup app, timing the upload speed. I timed it myself because the throughput measurements and “time remaining” estimates found in certain online backup apps are notoriously misleading, if not entirely inaccurate. For apps that offered control over network throttling, CPU usage, and threading (that is, sending or receiving multiple chunks of data at once), I performed the tests at least twice: once with default settings and once with all settings cranked up as high as they could go.

When testing upload throughput, I was looking for numbers as close to my broadband connection’s maximum upstream bandwidth as possible. For the most-recent update to this guide, when I retested Backblaze, IDrive, and Acronis True Image 2018, Speedtest.net reported that maximum as 31.62 Mbps. I had conducted my testing of the other apps for a previous update with an upstream connection that maxed out at 22.70 Mbps; however, none of those services came close to that maximum, so I don’t think a faster connection would have made a difference. The highest throughput I measured was 27.1 Mbps, on IDrive with default settings; the lowest was 4.64 Mbps, on Carbonite, which offers no control over throughput on a Mac, and on Windows has only a checkbox to reduce bandwidth.2

Keep in mind, however, that my controlled performance tests may differ from your real-world results, for any of numerous reasons. For example:

Files that are more compressible than the ones I used in my tests may upload faster but also require more CPU power, slowing down other tasks your computer is performing. Compression efficiency also depends on the compression algorithm your backup software uses. There’s no good way to test compression across online backup software: Not all apps report compressed file sizes, and regardless of the test files I chose, your results could still differ wildly—even with the same app—because each file is different.
Software that offers deduplication is likely to back up your data more quickly, and if the deduplication is at the block level rather than the file level, you may enjoy even greater time savings.
Backing up lots of small files (such as all of your saved email from the past decade) can take a lot longer than backing up a smaller number of large files, even if the total size is the same, because each file introduces a certain amount of overhead for scanning, compressing, and encrypting.
Your maximum upstream bandwidth depends on your broadband plan and ISP type, the time of day, network usage by other apps or devices in your home or office, and other variables. But remember: With most home broadband plans, upload speed is much slower than download speed.
Your computer’s processing power can make a big difference in backup speed, because the faster your computer is, the faster compression, deduplication, and other processor-intensive tasks can occur. So the changes you make to your backup app’s settings for CPU and network usage can make a significant difference, too.
Because backing up all the user data from an average computer with an average broadband connection can take days or weeks, backing up and restoring such a large quantity of data for each service I tested was infeasible for me. The main drawback of this limitation was that I couldn’t be sure that my speed results would scale smoothly.
And for Backblaze specifically:

"As of an August 2017 update to the Backblaze software that increased the number of threads it uses even with default settings, the backup performance is significantly better compared with the previous version. With default settings, my tests showed throughput of 19.58 Mbps—not the fastest of the services I tested, but quite respectable. At that rate, you could back up about 220 GB of data per day. However, you don’t have to stick with the defaults. If you click Settings and then go to the Performance tab, you can uncheck Automatic Threading/Throttle, move the Manual Throttle slider as far as you like toward Faster Backups, and even choose the number of backup threads (from 1 to 20) from a pop-up menu. Backblaze warns against choosing a number higher than 6, but I was able to go all the way up to 20 on my test machine without any apparent ill effects. With performance bumped up as high as it would go, my tests showed throughput of 22.4 Mbps—again, not quite the fastest of the group, but plenty fast for most people. "

And for iDrive:
"Of any app I tested, IDrive had the best throughput, 27.1 Mbps, at its default settings (which don’t throttle upload speeds). And you can share, via email or social media, files you’ve backed up; recipients get a link to download the file."

Wow, now I am considering iDrive instead. They also offer a special rate to previous Crashplan users, 5TB for $7 for the first year. Not bad!!

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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by wonderpug » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:45 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:02 pm
Wow, now I am considering iDrive instead. They also offer a special rate to previous Crashplan users, 5TB for $7 for the first year. Not bad!!
Sold! The $7 even seems to include the seed drive service and shipping both ways. Looking back at my CrashPlan emails, I paid $125 on top of the yearly subscription fee to do a seed drive with them.

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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by stessier » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:29 pm

So far I've uploaded just under 100 GB out of 760 GB in about 48 hours. This morning when I checked, the upload speed was pegged at 4.1 Mb/s, which is a bit better than the 4 Mb I'm paying for. Only 3500 files are left to upload. If the speeds hold, I could be done in 12 days rather than 32 (or the 531 I was originally quoted).
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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by Punisher » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:25 am

The company I work for does support for a lot of different companies. Some of which use Crashplan. We have taken to calling it Trashplan... Have had multiple issues including being unable to restore some files that the software said was backed up, but wasn't..
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I need a backup solution!

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Punisher wrote:The company I work for does support for a lot of different companies. Some of which use Crashplan. We have taken to calling it Trashplan... Have had multiple issues including being unable to restore some files that the software said was backed up, but wasn't..
YMMV
Interesting. Is that recent or you’ve always had issues?

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Post by Punisher » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:06 pm

I have had some issues recently with them, but not related to an actual recovery. One of the things we do is to review the various backup solutions our clients have to determine success rate for a 30 day period to see if it is working. First off, their actual logs are horrible and difficult to sort out for actual success rate. From what I gathered at the time there was about a 65% success rate so that's not too good. Other than that, My info is 2nd hand from other IT people in the company that just have not had many good experiences dealing with it.
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Post by RunningMn9 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:09 am

65% success rate at what?

The one problem I’ve been having is on my wife’s computer, the backup service doesn’t want to start when the machine starts. So if we lose power or something it doesn’t start backing up again until you manually start the service. It’s set to auto-start so I’m not sure why it isn’t but it’s annoying me.


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Post by naednek » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:12 pm

does Idrive let you backup files locally and the cloud? Or is just cloud only?
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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by Punisher » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:14 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:
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65% success rate at what?

The one problem I’ve been having is on my wife’s computer, the backup service doesn’t want to start when the machine starts. So if we lose power or something it doesn’t start backing up again until you manually start the service. It’s set to auto-start so I’m not sure why it isn’t but it’s annoying me.


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Post by Isgrimnur » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:49 pm

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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by wonderpug » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:30 pm

naednek wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:12 pm
does Idrive let you backup files locally and the cloud? Or is just cloud only?
The File Sync feature looks like it might be practically the same thing as a local backup. Might be an all or nothing thing though, like a mirror of your online backup dataset.

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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by wonderpug » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:32 pm

Punisher wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:06 pm
I have had some issues recently with them, but not related to an actual recovery. One of the things we do is to review the various backup solutions our clients have to determine success rate for a 30 day period to see if it is working. First off, their actual logs are horrible and difficult to sort out for actual success rate. From what I gathered at the time there was about a 65% success rate so that's not too good. Other than that, My info is 2nd hand from other IT people in the company that just have not had many good experiences dealing with it.
How much total data were you backing up? After a while with CrashPlan I had issues with never reaching 100% of my files backed up. Reached out to support and it was because I was over some threshold of data capacity (1TB? 1.5TB?). They helped me change some setting and then everything worked fine after that.

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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by Punisher » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:57 pm

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Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:06 pm
I have had some issues recently with them, but not related to an actual recovery. One of the things we do is to review the various backup solutions our clients have to determine success rate for a 30 day period to see if it is working. First off, their actual logs are horrible and difficult to sort out for actual success rate. From what I gathered at the time there was about a 65% success rate so that's not too good. Other than that, My info is 2nd hand from other IT people in the company that just have not had many good experiences dealing with it.
How much total data were you backing up? After a while with CrashPlan I had issues with never reaching 100% of my files backed up. Reached out to support and it was because I was over some threshold of data capacity (1TB? 1.5TB?). They helped me change some setting and then everything worked fine after that.
Couldnt say for sure, but I could see some of the clients with issues having more than 1TB and some less than 1TB.. I "think" the last one had issue with was around 300GB-400GB though.
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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by stessier » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:52 am

stessier wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:29 pm
So far I've uploaded just under 100 GB out of 760 GB in about 48 hours. This morning when I checked, the upload speed was pegged at 4.1 Mb/s, which is a bit better than the 4 Mb I'm paying for. Only 3500 files are left to upload. If the speeds hold, I could be done in 12 days rather than 32 (or the 531 I was originally quoted).
319 GB left to upload. Progress.
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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by stessier » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:59 pm

stessier wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:52 am
stessier wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:29 pm
So far I've uploaded just under 100 GB out of 760 GB in about 48 hours. This morning when I checked, the upload speed was pegged at 4.1 Mb/s, which is a bit better than the 4 Mb I'm paying for. Only 3500 files are left to upload. If the speeds hold, I could be done in 12 days rather than 32 (or the 531 I was originally quoted).
319 GB left to upload. Progress.
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Post by naednek » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:15 am

GRRR. For the life of me, I can't recall my masterpassword for idrive. And they do not know (as expected) but it be nice if they had a hints page. It also would have been nice for me to have written it down. I just got everything uploaded and even had some overages on my comcast allotment all for nothing.
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naednek wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:15 am
GRRR. For the life of me, I can't recall my masterpassword for idrive. And they do not know (as expected) but it be nice if they had a hints page. It also would have been nice for me to have written it down. I just got everything uploaded and even had some overages on my comcast allotment all for nothing.
Cant you reset it?
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naednek wrote:
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GRRR. For the life of me, I can't recall my masterpassword for idrive. And they do not know (as expected) but it be nice if they had a hints page. It also would have been nice for me to have written it down. I just got everything uploaded and even had some overages on my comcast allotment all for nothing.
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Punisher wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:58 pm
naednek wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:15 am
GRRR. For the life of me, I can't recall my masterpassword for idrive. And they do not know (as expected) but it be nice if they had a hints page. It also would have been nice for me to have written it down. I just got everything uploaded and even had some overages on my comcast allotment all for nothing.
Cant you reset it?
Likely not, assuming the data is sufficiently encrypted.
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Post by em2nought » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:23 am

I need a physical paper back up system, I've been trying to remember where I put two folders for the last few days. I remember putting them someplace I thought was a good choice. LMAO :shock:

I guess if I was smart I'd have scanned them. :roll:
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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by Lorini » Wed May 16, 2018 3:54 pm

I need offline storage. I have two external hard drives, one to be used as a backup of the other. I don’t need or want cloud storage. Is IDrive the only solution? I feel like I’d be overpaying as I don’t need cloud storage.
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Lorini wrote:
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I need offline storage. I have two external hard drives, one to be used as a backup of the other. I don’t need or want cloud storage. Is IDrive the only solution? I feel like I’d be overpaying as I don’t need cloud storage.
If you just want to backup locally, grab the freeware version of AOMEI Backupper Standard and you should be good to go.
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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by wonderpug » Thu May 17, 2018 12:11 pm

Are RAID setups still a thing people do? I might be behind the times, but in the olden days I thought that was the best way to mirror a drive for backup purposes.

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Post by Zaxxon » Thu May 17, 2018 1:04 pm

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Are RAID setups still a thing people do? I might be behind the times, but in the olden days I thought that was the best way to mirror a drive for backup purposes.
It is, but on Win 10 it's even easier. Just use a Storage Space.

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Re: I need a backup solution!

Post by Lorini » Thu May 17, 2018 5:07 pm

Yes storage space looks right, but unfortunately Win10 suddenly decided that my second disk wasn't formatted, even though I copied a ton of stuff to it this morning. Sigh.

Thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by Anonymous Bosch » Thu May 17, 2018 6:16 pm

Lorini wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:07 pm
Yes storage space looks right, but unfortunately Win10 suddenly decided that my second disk wasn't formatted, even though I copied a ton of stuff to it this morning. Sigh.

Thanks for the suggestion.
If you're lucky, scanning and fixing the drive with CHKDSK may help.
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Post by hitbyambulance » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:11 pm

the new Humble Bundle has a one-year subscription to SpiderOak One Backup

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