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Need a decent, low cost Video Card

Post by GreenGoo » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:01 pm

So as with everything it seems, instead of raining, it's pouring.

The video card in our secondary computer has started to act up. Lots of artifacts, windows dropping to lower resolution, general mess. It's still "working" in that I get a windows login screen, but it's very clearly unhappy and most likely to get unhappier soon.

I am cash poor right now and since I wasn't expecting to buy a new video card, I have no idea what cards are good/bad/mediocre.

I will be replacing a Nvidia GTX 580. I would like something at least as good, but at a much lower price point.

I'll do my homework and due diligence and start reading up on mid to low range video cards, but in the meantime I thought I'd throw out this question to see if anyone has an opinion.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:08 pm

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Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 3GB - Best Budget

They have it at the one level below your GTX 580. The TI is comparable, but a bit pricier.
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Post by gameoverman » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:20 pm

I've used a 1050, it IS really good for a low budget gaming card. It should be a nice improvement over the 580, and make newer games which wouldn't really be playable on the 580 into games you can run now.

edit: The GT 1030 costs less but is a sizable step down from the 1050. Not only that, but there are DDR4 versions floating around out there and you want to avoid those at all costs.

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Post by GreenGoo » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:47 pm

Thanks guys.

The amount of gaming that isn't retro simulator based is actually quite small on that computer, but it does exist.

Mostly, this is my autistic's son's go to computer, and he's getting kind of stressed that it is not available, which is unfortunately. I'm under orders to fix it asap, which both amused me and annoyed me.

Anything with a standard PCI-e slot should be good enough, I guess? I'm not sure how old the motherboard is or even what it is without opening it up at this point.

It can't be that old if it works with the GTX 580. I guess my question is do I need to worry about any incompatibilities or other issues? I don't do video cards for a living and only pay attention when I need a new one, but time is short on this particular case.

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Post by gameoverman » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:55 pm

New videocards, from Nvidia and AMD, are made to use the newer style UEFI motherboard bios. If that computer's motherboard is old enough, it probably uses the older 'legacy' style bios. I have seen new cards work with the older bios, I have seen people have problems with the older bios.

You can avoid this potential problem by getting a used card, one that pre-dates this UEFI thing. For Nvidia that means GTX 7xx or older, for AMD anything prior to the RX series should be fully compatible. I'm not saying a new card won't work, just that there's an outside chance you'll have issues with it. If you were buying used I'd look for something like a GTX 770. I think if you can power a 580 then you can power just about anything else you might want to buy.

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Post by GreenGoo » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:04 pm

Great info gameoverman, thanks a lot.

I'll open it up and see what the motherboard is and then look up compatibility to save me the headache of maybe buying a card that won't work.

I'm fairly sure the motherboard is post-uefi, but I'll make sure.

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Post by GreenGoo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:03 pm

Examined the inside of the computer. I believe a mouse had been living on the back of the video card, pooping and peeing to his heart's content. Not sure how long he had been there but I would have expected the video card to fail nearly right away, so he probably just moved in.

I have a large fan that fits over the front of the harddrive enclosure (after you've removed all the case's panel coverings) that is only held in place by magnets. It also never quite fit the case very well, so it was always a delicate balance of wedging it in versus making full contact with the leads. My autistic son's feet are always on the move, which means the fan gets kicked off the front of the case about 30 seconds after he sits down at the computer. Eventually I just gave up replacing the fan over and over again, leaving a large opening in the front of the case. i.e. mouse front door. Probably.

Cleaned out the case as it wasn't really that bad yet and set up some mouse traps. I'm not 100% sure it was a mouse since the case was also filled to the brim with dust bunnies the size of things that are large when compared to normal dust bunnies, so it was pretty messy in general.

And...I forgot to check the motherboard while I was in there.

The current video card is a GTX 580. That has got to mean that the motherboard is modern enough for the current crop of budget nvidia cards, right? I mean, right? UEFI has been around forever at this point.

We'll see. Ordering tonight.
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Post by GreenGoo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:07 pm

Yeah, that's workable, probably. There is a cd rack (remember those?!) on the desk behind the monitor. I'll probably have to find that a new home. I'm hoping to murder the cute little guy tonight, old school style with a spring trap. Gruesome, but I just happened to have some still in their package on my desk for completely unrelated reasons, I swear!

Just need to get the trap in the morning before the wife or kids find it first.

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Post by GreenGoo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:12 pm

On the plus side I now have two monitors on the main computer again for the first time in a couple of years I think. They're both 16:9 27" and 24" so they don't really fit in the area I've put them in, but it'll work until I get the second computer fixed.

It's weird having a 2nd monitor again. They are kind of big and awkward so I haven't adjusted to them yet. Feels like I need to move my head to far to see everything, but I can't move them back because of lack of space.

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Re: Need a decent, low cost Video Card

Post by GreenGoo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:35 pm

Good lord. I'm looking at prices on the GTX 1050 on Amazon.ca and there are some really outlandish prices. Like 2x the base price on these things. I'm not sure how much they think all their added doodads are worth, but if I'm going to spend that much on a card, I'm just gonna buy a better card. Some of these prices are insane.

Prices for the 2 GB version should be around CAN$180-$199ish based on conversion rate alone. I'm seeing CAN$330+ for some of these.

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Post by GreenGoo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:42 pm

Ok, I'm hard pressed to find a 2 GB version for less than CAN$200. Amazon is offering (sold by and shipped) a 4GB Ti version for CAN$230 with free shipping.

If no one talks me out of it this is probably what I'll pick up. CAN$229.99

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Post by GreenGoo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:46 pm

I take that back. Here's a 2 GB version from Amazon as well for CAN$168. Note the single fan configuration. I do have heat problems with that machine. Grrr.

ASUS Geforce GTX 1050 2GB Phoenix Fan Edition DVI-D HDMI DP 1.4 Gaming Graphics Card (PH-GTX1050-2G)

CAN$70 is a big difference for 3 extra GB. Any reason I'm gonna regret the 2 GB version? My current GTX 980 on my main system only has 4 GB GDDR5.

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Post by Daehawk » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:17 am

I would not get less than 4gb video memory.

GTX 1050 ti 4g $199 ....Its a refurb.
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For a new one ...

EVGA GTX 1050 ti $229
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Those are both Canadian Newegg.

If you really dont mind 2 gig mem then....

EVGA GTX 1050 2g open box $143
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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:28 am

Well it's for a secondary gaming machine that is mostly used for youtube, old Sonic the Hedgehog emulation and very rarely something a little more modern, but never anything overly taxing. Well, sometimes Team Fortress 2 (which is 11 years old), I think.

If I'm not mistaken, the GTX 580 that the new card will be replacing had 1.5 GB GDDR5 memory. I haven't tried to game on it myself in several years, so I have no idea how it holds up on something modern like For Honor, Rainbow Six: Siege or PUBG. On the plus side the chances it needs to ever run something like that is quite small.

Chances are it already has some bus or cpu choke points to its performance anyway. I really haven't even looked at the thing in a couple of years. I can't even tell you what cpu or how much memory is in the thing without opening it up again.

I'm not adamant about 2 GB, but the price point is much better, I'm on an even tighter budget than usual and the need for more memory based on current usage seems low.

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Re: Need a decent, low cost Video Card

Post by Rumpy » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:41 pm

I bought my 1050Ti from TigerDirect for $291, so that sounds about right. Even that though might be a little overkill for what you want. Seems to be the zone in which they're priced now. A lot of them from looking around when I was scouting out mine are out of stock.
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Post by gameoverman » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:54 pm

First, these cards are very efficient in performance, you will not generate any heat worth talking about. Your 580, now THAT was like having a small sun inside your computer.

I don't think 2gb vram is an issue in a card like this. For one thing, it's still more than what the 580 had. For another, this is not a main computer. A 1050 will run games fine even if you need to lower some settings.

I don't think the jump to 1050 Ti is worth it, not at current prices. If you need something more than a 1050 then a 1060 3gb or RX 570 should be the next step. I think the 1050 Ti's main claim to fame is it is the most powerful videocard you can get that does not require a 6 pin pci-ex connector. That's why someone would buy it over a regular 1050, that's the best card you can get if you have system with a weak power supply and you don't want to have to buy a new power supply.

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Re: Need a decent, low cost Video Card

Post by GreenGoo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:51 pm

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I bought my 1050Ti from TigerDirect for $291, so that sounds about right. Even that though might be a little overkill for what you want. Seems to be the zone in which they're priced now. A lot of them from looking around when I was scouting out mine are out of stock.
I think that's a bit pricey for that card Rumpy, but in any case, keep in mind that the card up for consideration is the 1050, not the 1050 ti.

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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:59 pm

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First, these cards are very efficient in performance, you will not generate any heat worth talking about. Your 580, now THAT was like having a small sun inside your computer.

I don't think 2gb vram is an issue in a card like this. For one thing, it's still more than what the 580 had. For another, this is not a main computer. A 1050 will run games fine even if you need to lower some settings.

I don't think the jump to 1050 Ti is worth it, not at current prices. If you need something more than a 1050 then a 1060 3gb or RX 570 should be the next step. I think the 1050 Ti's main claim to fame is it is the most powerful videocard you can get that does not require a 6 pin pci-ex connector. That's why someone would buy it over a regular 1050, that's the best card you can get if you have system with a weak power supply and you don't want to have to buy a new power supply.
Thanks gameoverman. You're saying all the right things to get me to pull the trigger.

1) Heat was a MAJOR problem in that system and I ended up replacing the OEM heatsink on the cpu with a water cooled solution. Last year (I think? Maybe 2 years ago? Probably last year) the thing was crashing during our insanely hot summer with no air conditioning in a room with another workhorse computer. The water cooling seemed to make enough of a difference that it never crashed due to heat again. I actually mentioned the possibility that the new card would run cooler to my wife before I had even looked into it. My wife doesn't do computers, I have no idea why I was discussing video card heat production with her. I'm glad to hear that I should expect much less heat!

2) As far as memory goes, I think it should be fine, too. Honestly it rarely even boots up any games from steam, and the ones it does are either 2d fighters/platformers, or TF2. Everything else is emulator or browser based. I would prefer more memory, but I'm not willing to pay for it.

3) As far as horse power goes, see the usage outlined in 2)

4) Power is not a problem in that machine as it used to be my main computer years ago and I replaced the power supply with something more robust before it was relegated to 2nd string. I suspect the power requirements are a downgrade after the 580 anyway, but I don't actually know that for a fact and I'm too lazy to look it up.

Ok, I was just waiting to hear opinions, and since someone posted one that supports everything I believe to be true, I can go ahead and pull the trigger while safely ignoring opinions that do not support my beliefs. That's how objective evaluation works, right?

Thanks guys.

edit: Card is up 3 bucks since yesterday. Awesome.

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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:31 pm

Motherboard is an Asus m5a97 LE R2.0

Dude on Tom's says it's fine

Now to find a more reliable source.

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PC parts picker says yes.

Huh. DDR3 for this mb.

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Post by Rumpy » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:50 pm

GreenGoo wrote:
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Rumpy wrote:
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I bought my 1050Ti from TigerDirect for $291, so that sounds about right. Even that though might be a little overkill for what you want. Seems to be the zone in which they're priced now. A lot of them from looking around when I was scouting out mine are out of stock.
I think that's a bit pricey for that card Rumpy, but in any case, keep in mind that the card up for consideration is the 1050, not the 1050 ti.
Yeah, probably so, although at the time it was hard to find something priced lower and that was only a few months ago, so maybe they've come down a little.

Oh yeah, speaking about fans, I'm very impressed with this card. They say it's whisper quiet and I had to double-check to see if the fans were turning. They're that quiet and I'm sure a lot more energy efficient in the process.
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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:16 pm

GPUs were in high demand for crypto-currency, which pushed card prices up.

Not sure what the current market is like.

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Post by gameoverman » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:17 pm

That motherboard has a UEFI bios, and it's a 970 chipset, so you can use anything you like in it. The Phenom II/FX CPUs used a lot of power, depending on which one you have, so it does not surprise me that CPU temps were a problem as well. That's especially true if you have a higher end FX 8 series in there. At least this new card will sip electricity and not add to the heat.

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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:57 pm

Never heard of them but they sure are into a lot of different products. Ink cartridges even.

No sign of a LESHP 1050 on newegg canada.

That price is about CAN$100. That's...uncomfortably cheap as compared to every other manufacturer of a card with that chip. Like, fraud or low quality cheap.

I have no idea whether the company is reliable (new companies start up all the time, so me being ignorant doesn't mean anything) or whether the card is comparable to others. I would have thought that most cards based on nvidia's base design would be similar, but the price suggests that something is up with this card.

When a price is too good to be true, it usually is.

In any case, it's not for sale up here. Not on newegg.ca anyway.

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Post by Rumpy » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:01 pm

GreenGoo wrote:
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GPUs were in high demand for crypto-currency, which pushed card prices up.

Not sure what the current market is like.
Yep, I know. I unfortunately needed a card at the tail end of that. I unfortunately don't think the market has eased up all that much given that Nvidia's new cards are much more expensive. Then again, they haven't yet announced their consumer-level cards.
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Post by gameoverman » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:11 pm

Daehawk wrote:
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GTX 1050 $76.29
A 1050 rated for 115W? Nope, not sketchy at all.

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I also dont trust it. I do trust Newegg so dont know what to think.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:25 am

Bought the asus 1050 from Amazon. It shipped yesterday.

Looking at the inside of the computer, I'm now worried that the video card will long outlive the computer, which is in pretty rough shape from the mouse living, even after being cleaned up. Chances are the wear and tear from having food particles and mouse bedding everywhere, not to mention probable urine and feces (I didn't actually identify any, I just assume) on the motherboard and other components has to be significant.

Anyway, we'll see how the new video card holds up.

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Daehawk wrote:
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I also dont trust it. I do trust Newegg so dont know what to think.
Think this:

I trust Newegg, but they are a big company and sometimes shit slips through.

This looks like shit.
This reads like shit.
It even smells like shit.

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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:05 pm

Wife says package arrived today.

I'm still wrapping my head around 2 day free shipping in Canada. We've been programmed for so long that everything takes longer and is more expensive, that I'm left wondering how Amazon can afford to do this on such small items. Sure in this case it's over a hundred, but I've order 50 bucks worth of stuff before. Same deal. Even if the margins are huge, it seems impossible.

Like I said, programmed to believe things are a certain way for most of my life.

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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:12 pm

Installed without a hitch. No power directly from power supply. Quiet.

Removed old drivers. Installed new drivers.

Walked away.

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Post by Rumpy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:30 pm

Yeah, Amazon is generally pretty fast in Canada, even with standard shipping to the point that I don't feel Amazon Prime is all that great a deal.
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Post by Daehawk » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:32 pm

Rumors are Nvidia is planning to release Turing video cards with the GTX 1100 series brand model without raytracing.
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