Pay It Forward Freebies -- I

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:10 pm

How exactly were you going to prevent the scenario I described? Isn't it the case that your karma incremented at Console Gold and at OO? What exactly were you going to do to ensure that you didn't end up entitled to two games for your one? Will every participant do the same?

i already said - i offer a certain game on both forums, my karma goes up by 1 on both forums... if i claim a game on either forum, my karma on both forums goes down by 1 - what makes you think i was doing otherwise? as Aussie77 said, i too thought the final agreement on this issue was 'if you can keep track of it, go ahead and do it'.

EDIT: as for "how would i make sure that everyone else would do the same" - well, how exactly would i go about doing that? i'm not 'everyone else' - i would hope they were honorable as well.

setaside · Post by **setaside** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:57 pm

aussie77 wrote:I think keeping some kind of track isn't terrible. And problems *can* crop up with people posting PIFF on both boards if they don't keep good track. But I think let's give people the benefit of the doubt unless it becomes quite clear they aren't doing things right.

This is pretty much my position on it as well. I am NOT a fan of having people use both lists for this reason but ... I do trust those who use it and willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until it's proven to be a bad idea. At which point, who knows what will happen.

Regarding karma, when I started PIFF I never had a vision for it. It was strictly a "take one/offer one" kind of deal. The whole karmic system just evolved from it. I like it however because it allows everyone to make sure that everyone else is on the up and up. Asking everyone to make their claims public is another reason.

I'm definitely open to suggestions for improving the PIFF system. If you'd like to make one however, I'd like to ask that you start a new thread for it. Let's try to get this one back on track. Thanks.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:10 pm

hitbyambulance wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:Will every participant do the same?
what makes you think i was doing otherwise?

Nothing makes me think that; I don't think it. That's why I asked, in the portion of my message that you quoted, "will every participant do the same" as you do? That's also why I wrote that it isn't about you, but about procedures.

hitbyambulance wrote:EDIT: as for "how would i make sure that everyone else would do the same" - well, how exactly would i go about doing that? i'm not 'everyone else'.

A careful re-reading of my message will help you to see that I never called for you to keep track of what others do. I merely asked whether a convoluted policy is better than no policy.

ObPiff: Jedi Outcast, Karma = +1.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:33 am

There is no official connection between CG and OO. They are different boards that are hosting similar community events. If you want to offer a game here and on CG, or GameTradeZone, or Quarter to Three, or in any of a hundred other site in the net, that's fine. They are different boards that have nothing to do with each other. If I have a friend that I find is looking for a game I have listed here, I will take it off my list and give it to him. It will reduce my positive Karma, or I may put up something else instead. Same difference.

I think it is just rather important that you keep track of your plusses on this board. That's all. If you have five games for people here to choose from, don't choose more than five yourself. If you've taken five, make sure that there are five available or sent. What difference, if we trust people, does some other, unrelated site make? It is really just a chance to trade with friends, not a complex set of hard rules and strict policies. Have fun, get rid of some oldies, and get your hands on a few hard-to-find pieces for your collection.

Anyway, to get this back on track, I will add:

~Desert Rats Vs. Afriks Korps (new, still sealed)

~Tzar: Burden of the Crown

~Green Berets (requires Myth II)

...and I removed Earth and Beyond, since I found out it has closed down. That leaves me at +5.

Mithridates · Post by **Mithridates** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:01 am

Grundbegriff wrote:Why bother having a karma system at all, then?

BTW: I ask because (by default) I compile the lists of games available here and, for a time at GoneGold, was serving as a clearing house for karma counts.

Those of you who suppose that I miss the point of PIFF or that I care too much about the karma count of others would seem to be ignorant of the history of this thing (whether through timing or inattention).

I've been involved since the inception of PIFF, so I'm not ignorant of the whole thing, despite what you think. I'm trying not to let your typical snobbiness get under my skin, but I think I'm failing.

You asked for opinions and I gave mine. I've felt that way since people started posting "karma". People keeping track of their own karma is cool. Someone calling out someone else who continously claims games but doesn't put any up is cool too. But making guidelines for karma and making rules for the system makes it a trading house, not PIFF.

You ask "why bother having a system at all?" I agree, why indeed? Again, merely my opinions.

ArmyOfOne · Post by **ArmyOfOne** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:48 pm

Ooo Ooo Ooo... Hey Blackhawk can I get DR vs. AK from you? I'm just about done with Soldiers: Heroes of WWII and I'll need a new vice.

To keep my karmameter level I'll toss up Battlefield 1942 + Road to Rome. CD's and Manuals only. No boxes.

You can PM me, or email me @ grobicheau{at}gmail{dot}com

noun · Post by **noun** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:21 pm

I've removed my remaining freebies to post over on ConsoleGold. Looks like that site has more traffic, so maybe I'll be more likely to get rid of them there.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:32 pm

noun wrote:I've removed my remaining freebies to post over on ConsoleGold. Looks like that site has more traffic, so maybe I'll be more likely to get rid of them there.

Traitor!

ArmyOfOne - Battlefield 1942/RtR are not subscription-based games, correct?

Post by **godhugh** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:38 pm

Kelric,

That's correct.

ArmyOfOne · Post by **ArmyOfOne** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:39 pm

Yeah, what godhugh said.

Kestrel · Post by **Kestrel** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:19 pm

Hi, ArmyOfOne -

PM incoming about Battlefield 1942 & Road to Rome.

I was +2 on karma, so I'm at 0 now.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:35 pm

AoO - PM me your address and it is yours.

lokiju · Post by **lokiju** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:04 pm

Ok, let me jump in here. I do have these at CG as well, but would rather offer them up at both sites than decide which is more worth it:

Diablo 2 (complete)
Black and White (cd only)
Law and Order Dead on the Money (j/case and manual)
Risk (sleeve/manual)
Sims (cd and manual)
Sims Livin' Large (cd only)
Sims House Party (cd only)
Devastation (complete)
Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness (cds only)
Sim City 3000 Unlimited (cd only)
You Don't Know Jack (cd only)
Age of Empires Gold Edition (cd only)
Age of Empires 2 Age of Kings (cd only)
Age of Empires 2 Conqueroers expansion (cd only)

Karma +14

Eduardo X · Post by **Eduardo X** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:19 am

Lokiju, could I get AoE2 and the Expansion?

That leaves me at 0.
I'll put some more stuff up later.

lokiju · Post by **lokiju** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:30 am

Eduardo X wrote:Lokiju, could I get AoE2 and the Expansion?

That leaves me at 0.
I'll put some more stuff up later.

Sure, pm me your addy. May be delayed cause of xmas postal traffic and all.

Mithridates · Post by **Mithridates** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:46 pm

Lokiju, I would very much like to claim Diablo 2.

I will offer up Morrowind(PC) and Majesty: Northern Expansion.

This karmalizes me to +1.

lokiju · Post by **lokiju** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:03 pm

Mithridates wrote:Lokiju, I would very much like to claim Diablo 2.

Done, will ship it out this week (let me run over to CG and take it off the list, lol).

lokiju · Post by **lokiju** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:03 pm

Deleted by lokiju...

Eduardo X · Post by **Eduardo X** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:48 pm

lokiju wrote:Age of Empires 2 Age of Kings and AoE 2 Conquerors have both been taken at CG, so strike them off the list.

OO Karma = +12 now

Does this mean I didn't get them?

lokiju · Post by **lokiju** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:40 pm

Eduardo X wrote:
lokiju wrote:Age of Empires 2 Age of Kings and AoE 2 Conquerors have both been taken at CG, so strike them off the list.

OO Karma = +12 now
Does this mean I didn't get them?

Lol, silly lokiju! They went in the mail this morning, so you might have them by Friday. 8) I am just so confuz-e-d. Sigh.

Eel Snave · Post by **Eel Snave** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:10 pm

God, Kaigen, I have been so terrible about sending off that Freebie. I have your info, and I will send it as soon as possible. I just need to buy some CD mailers (Big Lots, here I come!) and I'll send it off.

I'm so damn irresponsible sometimes.

Kaigen · Post by **Kaigen** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:34 am

I had actually totally forgotten. I had to go back and review the thread to see what the hell you were talking about.

Eel Snave · Post by **Eel Snave** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:01 pm

Oh! Well...then...never mind.

J/K. I'm buying me some CD mailers!

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 1:38 am

I have two games to give away:

Morrowind claimed by Kelric
Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield (cds, no box - came free with sound card)
Half-Life GotY Edition (CDs only)

Karma +1

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 1:39 pm

RM, I'll claim Morrowind if you don't mind a Patriots fan having it.

And yes I realize I still need to send out a bunch of freebies that have already been claimed.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 1:55 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:
I think my karma is at +1 because Blackhawk was going to send me Terminal Velocity (although Blackhawk did not send me Terminal Velocity ).

Blackhawk will. It is sitting on my desk, along with HBA's game and two Morrowind DVDs. Things just got a bit holidayed around here.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:13 am

Kelric, I'll claim Kohan from you.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:15 am

RunningMn9 wrote:Kelric, I'll claim Kohan from you.

Will do.

setaside · Post by **setaside** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:29 am

I'm removing The Sims from my list so my karmic level is at +11 now

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:25 am

A general FYI - the two games I had to be shipped out are going out this morning (RM9 and AoO), and the two feedbacks I owed people (HBA and Grundbegriff) have been given. My wife had surgery (nothing major, but disabling) over the holidays, so everything has been beyond chaotic. My apologies to the four involved.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:03 pm

Blackhawk wrote:A general FYI - the two games I had to be shipped out are going out this morning (RM9 and AoO), and the two feedbacks I owed people (HBA and Grundbegriff) have been given. My wife had surgery (nothing major, but disabling) over the holidays, so everything has been beyond chaotic. My apologies to the four involved.

Absolutely not a problem. It's a collector's piece that I'm waiting for, not something that I'm dying to play this instant. It's been 9 years since release, a few more weeks isn't a problem.

Eel Snave · Post by **Eel Snave** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:12 pm

Mithridates wrote:Lokiju, I would very much like to claim Diablo 2.

I will offer up Morrowind(PC) and Majesty: Northern Expansion.

This karmalizes me to +1.

Could I get Morrowind? I still haven't gotten it and that makes me sad.

Mithridates · Post by **Mithridates** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:27 pm

Sure, just PM me your address.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:31 am

New Year's Octopiffage:

Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast (CDs, box, manual)(taken by Kestrel)
Thief Gold (rerelease; new in box, unopened)
Swat 3: Close Quarters Battle, Elite Edition (CD only, no serial)
Europa 1400: The Guild (CD only)
Ghost Recon (CD only)
Rune (CD only)
Return to Castle Wolfenstein (CD only)
Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield (CDs only)
Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic (new in box, unopened) (taken by warning)
Europa Universalis + Crown of the North (new in box, unopened)(taken by Kelric)
Ghost Recon: Island Thunder (CD only)(taken by Eduardo X)

That makes karmamia +11. (Changed from 10 to reflect the separation of Ghost Recon from its Island Thunder expansion.)

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:02 am

Grundbegriff wrote: [*]Europa Universalis + Crown of the North (new in box, unopened)

Can I claim Europe/Crown of the North?

In return I'll put up just Europa Universalis. Still have never gotten around to giving it serious playing time but maybe CotN (Children of the Nile!

) will get me to try it out.

warning · Post by **warning** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:08 am

Grundbegriff wrote:Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic (new in box, unopened)

Oooh... can I grab that one from you? I'll put up Red Alert 2 (CD's in case with manual. No box).

Eduardo X · Post by **Eduardo X** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:21 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:New Year's Octopiffage:

Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast (CDs, box, manual)

Thief Gold (rerelease; new in box, unopened)

Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic (new in box, unopened)

Europa Universalis + Crown of the North (new in box, unopened)

Swat 3: Close Quarters Battle, Elite Edition (CD only, no serial)

Europa 1400: The Guild (CD only)

Ghost Recon + Ghost Recon: Island Thunder (CDs only)

Rune (CD only)

Return to Castle Wolfenstein (CD only)

Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield (CDs only)
That makes karmamia +10.

Grund, could I get Ghost Recon: Island Thunder? Or if that doesn't work, could I get the pack?
This will leave me at -1, which I hope to address as soon as I get home.

I do think I have the first two Impirium Galacticus games, for those who are interested in odd but compeling 4x space games. Let me get home to make sure about the second one.

setaside · Post by **setaside** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:41 pm

If you have Imperium Galactica 2, I'm snagging it pre-post. I loved that game and can't figure out why the hell I ever got rid of it.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:41 pm

warning wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic (new in box, unopened)
I'll put up Red Alert 2 (CD's in case with manual. No box).

Shadow Magic's yours. E-mail me your contact info.

May I have Red Alert 2?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:43 pm

Eduardo X wrote:Grund, could I get Ghost Recon: Island Thunder? Or if that doesn't work, could I get the pack?

If you only need the expansion, that's fine. They're separate anyhow. E-mail me your coordinates!