Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Moderators: LawBeefaroni, $iljanus
- cheeba
- Posts: 8727
- Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:32 am
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
I don't think birth per capita is much of a measure. Is it worse for someone in Africa to have 10 kids than for someone in America to have 2 kids, when those 2 American kids will likely consume far more resources over their lifetime than those 10 African kids? A better metric would be resources consumed per birth.
Edit - Screw you silverjon and noxiousdog!
Edit - Screw you silverjon and noxiousdog!
- noxiousdog
- Posts: 24627
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:27 pm
- Contact:
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
You think they make their own gasoline and electricity?Trent Steel wrote: If they can fully support each other and are upstanding people, more power to Jim Bob and Michelle.
Black Lives Matter
"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog
"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog
-
- Posts: 3591
- Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:21 pm
- Location: Somewhere between Louisburg and Raleigh NC
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Thank you.Chesspieceface wrote: I am simply declining to reproduce or raise children, I am eliminating my gene combo on purpose.
Someone please tell me that this is deliberate comedic irony.Chesspieceface wrote:I don't really want a world of people minding their own ethical business, thats sort of how the holocaust started.
- Moliere
- Posts: 12380
- Joined: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:57 am
- Location: Walking through a desert land
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
and divide by energy productionnoxiousdog wrote:Now multiply those numbers by energy consumption.Isgrimnur wrote:If you want to fight the population boom, fighting the battle in industrialized nations is so far off the front lines that you're never going to make any progress.
"The world is suffering more today from the good people who want to mind other men's business than it is from the bad people who are willing to let everybody look after their own individual affairs." - Clarence Darrow
- Little Raven
- Posts: 8608
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:26 am
- Location: Austin, TX
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Don't you mean energy extraction?Moliere wrote:and divide by energy production
Matrix aside, people don't really produce much in the way of energy.
/. "She climbed backwards out her
\/ window into Outside Over There."
\/ window into Outside Over There."
- noxiousdog
- Posts: 24627
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:27 pm
- Contact:
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
If you subtract imports, I believe you'll wind up with a negative numberMoliere wrote:and divide by energy productionnoxiousdog wrote:Now multiply those numbers by energy consumption.Isgrimnur wrote:If you want to fight the population boom, fighting the battle in industrialized nations is so far off the front lines that you're never going to make any progress.
Black Lives Matter
"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog
"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog
- GreenGoo
- Posts: 42367
- Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:46 pm
- Location: Ottawa, ON
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Bingo again. We're already locusts on this planet. Increasing the number of people in North America consumes 10 times (or more) the resources of the same number of people in 3rd world countries.noxiousdog wrote:Now multiply those numbers by energy consumption.Isgrimnur wrote:If you want to fight the population boom, fighting the battle in industrialized nations is so far off the front lines that you're never going to make any progress.
- GreenGoo
- Posts: 42367
- Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:46 pm
- Location: Ottawa, ON
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Er, and screw you too! I guess I should read ALL posts before piling on with a "me too!"cheeba wrote:I don't think birth per capita is much of a measure. Is it worse for someone in Africa to have 10 kids than for someone in America to have 2 kids, when those 2 American kids will likely consume far more resources over their lifetime than those 10 African kids? A better metric would be resources consumed per birth.
Edit - Screw you silverjon and noxiousdog!
- gbasden
- Posts: 7679
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:57 am
- Location: Sacramento, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
I'm sure my viewpoint is colored by my anecdotal experiences as well. My friend in college came from a huge household, and he was pretty bitter about his experiences. I don't doubt that it is possible to raise 19 well adjusted children, I just think the odds tend to decrease the more the children outnumber the parents.The Meal wrote:Maybe they'd feel guilty about how they were raising their children if they "only" had five or six. I've roomed with a (really wonderful) guy who had 12 brothers and sisters, and growing up there was a family with 12 kids two doors down. There kids were also really well behaved and joyful people. I'm sure it's possible to raise your own football team and end up with some bad apples in the group, but my (anecdotal) direct experiences with this situation is 100% the opposite.
- Trent Steel
- Posts: 8136
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:28 am
- Location: Pain Dome
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Who cares? As long as they have the means to get by within the bounds established by our system, who am I to judge?noxiousdog wrote:You think they make their own gasoline and electricity?Trent Steel wrote: If they can fully support each other and are upstanding people, more power to Jim Bob and Michelle.
We need to stop worrying about what people are actually doing as opposed to how they're getting away with it.
18-1™ & 2-0
-
- Posts: 3591
- Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:21 pm
- Location: Somewhere between Louisburg and Raleigh NC
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
I think if you did actual research, you'd find the exact opposite. I've known a great many people from large families, and the children generally seem to become better adjusted adults than children from small families. This may be a case of "me seeing what it is that supports my claim", but out of six families with greater than 10 children (one of which is in my immediate extended family), I cannot recollect one "bad apple" in the bunch. From my immediate extended family, my mother's oldest sister has 12 children... 1 entrepreneur, 2 MDs, 3 lawyers, and 2 engineers (both MSEE)... two of the lawyers are now professors at ivy league colleges. I've lost count of the grandkids and great grandkids that extend from this bunch, but I do know that there are 2 Westpoint grads amongst them now.gbasden wrote:I just think the odds tend to decrease the more the children outnumber the parents.
YMMV...
- Mr. Fed
- Posts: 15111
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:05 pm
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Skin color is comparable to religion in this respect: there is a history of people who think folks ought not reproduce based upon both. You keep venerable company.Chesspieceface wrote:Now I don't understand the question. Are you comparing being black to being a member of a particular religious sect? The are "black" people who's spoken languages don't even have a word for "black person". There are not christian sectarians who do not know the common name of their own sect.
Of course they are. As are the people analyzing and scrutinizing them.Racial Intolerance for its own sake has no practical value in this society AFAICT. Intellectual Religious Intolerance has some merit in my opinion. Religions are philosophies and are subject to analysis and scrutiny.
I think you mean something different by "objectively speaking" than other people do.Say you were choosing whether to be a Baptist or a Mormon. Objectively speaking Mormonism is at least by an order of magnitude a more ludicrous philosophy than generalized christianity. Should that just be ignored in the name of 'tolerance'? Should it not be pointed out which faiths make some sense and which make no sense at all? Or should we just all be 'tolerant' and act is if all quackery is equally dangerous?
I'm not sure what you mean by "ignored." There is no law preventing you from criticizing people based on their religion. Similarly, there is no law against me calling you out for it and pointing out that your attitude has scary historical echoes. That's the appropriate more speech remedy for bigot speech.
I apparently exist on the continuum of dangerous quackery. I attend church, and in fact serve a minor church office. Can you articulate how I am a danger to society? Challenge: see if you can do it without using language that religious people use to explain how gays or feminists are dangers to society.
The notion that affluent people pass on better DNA that poor people is, well, curious -- though it's not new, certainly. So is the implication that social consciousness is passed on genetically or at least reliably transmitted through parenting (pop quiz: how many people here share the religious and political views of their parents?) Preferring reproduction by the "socially conscious," however, is not new -- it's simply another new expression of old eugenicist ideas.So yes it disturbs me that many intelligent, affluent, and socially conscious people are opting to adopt or limit reproduction while whackjobs pick up the slack.
Certainly intelligence is associated with genetics. Do you have a specific basis to believe that the Duggars are of poor intelligence, other than believing that (1) people who have more children than you approve of must be of inferior intelligence, and (2) people who have religious views you don't like are less intelligent than you?
(By the way, I have religious views you no doubt pin upon the continuum of silliness. That probably makes me less intelligent than you, right? Somehow I've managed to struggle by. I even use utensils most of the time. I can only pray to my moon-man god that your unearthly intellect will not blast my mind away in this thread.)
Popehat, a blog.
- Trent Steel
- Posts: 8136
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:28 am
- Location: Pain Dome
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Says you now. What do you expect will be achieved by doing so?Chesspieceface wrote:I am simply declining to reproduce or raise children, I am eliminating my gene combo on purpose.
18-1™ & 2-0
- LordMortis
- Posts: 70258
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:26 pm
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Having 19 children is something I think displays a lack of "enlightenment" but to each their own. Have at it. Most people who come from large families have a great sense of family. They are deeply involved in family life, have family roles, and take care of each other.
OTOH if I were in charge, I'd begin sterilizing some people and would be the arbiter of passing on genes. Those choices wouldn't be based on large existing families though. It's always a good thing I'm not in charge.
Having 19 children is something I think displays a lack of "enlightenment" but to each their own. Have at it. Most people who come from large families have a great sense of family. They are deeply involved in family life, have family roles, and take care of each other.
OTOH if I were in charge, I'd begin sterilizing some people and would be the arbiter of passing on genes. Those choices wouldn't be based on large existing families though. It's always a good thing I'm not in charge.
Hell yeah, it is. I like weasel words. They are interesting.The Meal wrote:In that sentence fascinating is a weasel-word. Tell OO how you really feel about population growth restriction in the US.
- Trent Steel
- Posts: 8136
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:28 am
- Location: Pain Dome
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Mr. Fed wrote:I apparently exist on the continuum of dangerous quackery.
Can you please pick a continuum and stick to it? If I was picking for you it would definitely be "Dangerous Quackery".Mr. Fed wrote:I have religious views you no doubt pin upon the continuum of silliness.
18-1™ & 2-0
- noxiousdog
- Posts: 24627
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:27 pm
- Contact:
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
How do you change the 'getting away with it' part by not caring?Trent Steel wrote: Who cares? As long as they have the means to get by within the bounds established by our system, who am I to judge?
We need to stop worrying about what people are actually doing as opposed to how they're getting away with it.
Black Lives Matter
"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog
"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog
- Trent Steel
- Posts: 8136
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:28 am
- Location: Pain Dome
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
By caring about the cause and not the effect.noxiousdog wrote:How do you change the 'getting away with it' part by not caring?Trent Steel wrote: Who cares? As long as they have the means to get by within the bounds established by our system, who am I to judge?
We need to stop worrying about what people are actually doing as opposed to how they're getting away with it.
18-1™ & 2-0
- stessier
- Posts: 29848
- Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:30 pm
- Location: SC
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
First you say this
then this???RLMullen wrote:I cannot recollect one "bad apple" in the bunch
... 3 lawyers
I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities. - Vaarsuvius
Global Steam Wishmaslist Tracking
Global Steam Wishmaslist Tracking
Running__ | __2014: 1300.55 miles__ | __2015: 2036.13 miles__ | __2016: 1012.75 miles__ | __2017: 1105.82 miles__ | __2018: 1318.91 miles | __2019: 2000.00 miles |
- noxiousdog
- Posts: 24627
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:27 pm
- Contact:
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
If you come up with a good idea I'm all ears.Trent Steel wrote: By caring about the cause and not the effect.
Black Lives Matter
"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog
"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog
- Trent Steel
- Posts: 8136
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:28 am
- Location: Pain Dome
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Indeed.noxiousdog wrote:If you come up with a good idea I'm all ears.Trent Steel wrote: By caring about the cause and not the effect.
18-1™ & 2-0
- farley2k
- Posts: 5752
- Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:29 pm
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
I do wonder if some sociologist has done a study comparing large families to small ones. Things like economic status, perceived happiness, etc.
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative the same night
- Dave Barry
- Dave Barry
- Moliere
- Posts: 12380
- Joined: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:57 am
- Location: Walking through a desert land
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Yes, they have. Here are two examples.farley2k wrote:I do wonder if some sociologist has done a study comparing large families to small ones. Things like economic status, perceived happiness, etc.
When Bigger Is Not Better: Family Size, Parental Resources, and Children's Educational Performance
Family Size and the Quality of Children
"The world is suffering more today from the good people who want to mind other men's business than it is from the bad people who are willing to let everybody look after their own individual affairs." - Clarence Darrow
- Chesspieceface
- Posts: 4038
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:01 pm
- Location: San Diego, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Dude... go find someone else to piss off, I hear RM9 has recovered. Either have a discussion or don't.RLMullen wrote:Thank you.Chesspieceface wrote: I am simply declining to reproduce or raise children, I am eliminating my gene combo on purpose.
Someone please tell me that this is deliberate comedic irony.Chesspieceface wrote:I don't really want a world of people minding their own ethical business, thats sort of how the holocaust started.
kind of like a cloud I was up way up in the sky and I was feeling some feelings that I couldn't believe; sometimes I don't believe them myself but I decided I was never coming down
- Chesspieceface
- Posts: 4038
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:01 pm
- Location: San Diego, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Please, that's really reaching. You know perfectly well this has nothing to do with racism or hate. I don't think I ever said I wanted to dictate who could breed or not, I think it was actually you who said that I wanted that. All I really said was fuck the Duggars and well I still basically feel that way. ND put it best, I just think these people are being blatantly selfish and destructive.Mr. Fed wrote:Skin color is comparable to religion in this respect: there is a history of people who think folks ought not reproduce based upon both. You keep venerable company.
Nope. Religion 'A' believes its messiah will return some day. Religion 'B' believes the same messiah will return at a very specific time and place in the future. Assuming messiah appearances are extremely unlikely, Religion B is objectively more ridiculous.I think you mean something different by "objectively speaking" than other people do.
Ok man you are getting carried away here. First of all, this thread was never an assault on christianity or any particular religion. I just thought it was just this family who were assholes, it was Smoove that led me to water. I also have been very careful not to generalize about 'religious people' or to discuss the reasonableness of faith. I've stayed on this side of the line, deliberately. I have not said here that churchgoers are a danger to society. All I've said is that people in industrialized nations who reproduce unchecked are assholes, and if their reason for doing it is adherence to a religious sect then fuck them and that sect. Not because it is any particular persuasion/denomination of sect but because of this whole aggressive birthing thing.I'm not sure what you mean by "ignored." There is no law preventing you from criticizing people based on their religion. Similarly, there is no law against me calling you out for it and pointing out that your attitude has scary historical echoes. That's the appropriate more speech remedy for bigot speech.
I apparently exist on the continuum of dangerous quackery. I attend church, and in fact serve a minor church office. Can you articulate how I am a danger to society? Challenge: see if you can do it without using language that religious people use to explain how gays or feminists are dangers to society.
See I never said any of that. I think that the educated, affluent and socially conscious are more likely to raise children who share those values, that would be a good thing. This isn't about DNA, its about society. I don't like the idea of a future society where well-educated thinkers are the exception to the rule of cloistered homeschooled zealots.The notion that affluent people pass on better DNA that poor people is, well, curious -- though it's not new, certainly. So is the implication that social consciousness is passed on genetically or at least reliably transmitted through parenting (pop quiz: how many people here share the religious and political views of their parents?) Preferring reproduction by the "socially conscious," however, is not new -- it's simply another new expression of old eugenicist ideas.
Certainly intelligence is associated with genetics. Do you have a specific basis to believe that the Duggars are of poor intelligence, other than believing that (1) people who have more children than you approve of must be of inferior intelligence, and (2) people who have religious views you don't like are less intelligent than you?
kind of like a cloud I was up way up in the sky and I was feeling some feelings that I couldn't believe; sometimes I don't believe them myself but I decided I was never coming down
- Mr. Fed
- Posts: 15111
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:05 pm
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Chesspieceface wrote:
Dude... go find someone else to piss off, I hear RM9 has recovered. Either have a discussion or don't.
That's right! Don't criticize or complain or point out that someone's viewpoint is offensive! That's not appropriate message-board behavior! Sit quietly, and receive the wisdom!
Popehat, a blog.
- Mr. Fed
- Posts: 15111
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:05 pm
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
You say a lot of things that you subsequently retreat from when someone calls you on it. People can read this thread and make up their own minds.Chesspieceface wrote: See I never said any of that.
Edit: But just so we're clear:
Awesome.You know perfectly well this has nothing to do with racism or hate. I don't think I ever said I wanted to dictate who could breed or not, I think it was actually you who said that I wanted that. All I really said was fuck the Duggars and well I still basically feel that way.
More non-hate:
Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Seriously, fuck these people.
Even scarier, well fuck that whole sect.
but idiots like this will flood the gene pool, its bad for America first.
do not want these zealots having as many zealot children as possible who will go on and have as many zealot children as they can ad infinitum. I don't think their genes are inferior (though I wouldn't be surprised, don't the QF's have to start inbreeding at some point?), but I think their ideas are inferior.
Intellectual Religious Intolerance has some merit in my opinion.
Or should we just all be 'tolerant' and act is if all quackery is equally dangerous?
So yes it disturbs me that many intelligent, affluent, and socially conscious people are opting to adopt or limit reproduction while whackjobs pick up the slack.
First of all, this thread was never an assault on christianity or any particular religion.
If you want to be a bigot, be a bigot. But don't be a coward too. Be the best bigot you can be. Be a proud bigot!
Popehat, a blog.
-
- Posts: 3591
- Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:21 pm
- Location: Somewhere between Louisburg and Raleigh NC
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Why are you pissed? I simply thanked you for not breeding.Chesspieceface wrote:Dude... go find someone else to piss off, I hear RM9 has recovered. Either have a discussion or don't.RLMullen wrote:Thank you.Chesspieceface wrote: I am simply declining to reproduce or raise children, I am eliminating my gene combo on purpose.
Someone please tell me that this is deliberate comedic irony.Chesspieceface wrote:I don't really want a world of people minding their own ethical business, thats sort of how the holocaust started.
I do not want you zealots having as many zealot children as possible who will go on and have as many zealot children as they can ad infinitum. I don't think your genes are inferior (though I wouldn't be surprised, don't the Intellectual Elites have to start inbreeding at some point?), but I think your ideas are inferior. If any of your kids were to have kids then an intellectual elitist asshole couple could spawn a great many people in three generations, great!
- Chesspieceface
- Posts: 4038
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:01 pm
- Location: San Diego, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Well for starters I don't want to care for a child, and I've never really liked them...Trent Steel wrote:Says you now. What do you expect will be achieved by doing so?Chesspieceface wrote:I am simply declining to reproduce or raise children, I am eliminating my gene combo on purpose.
I am not a fan of my bloodline or of my particular apparently genetic disorders...
My idea of marriage involves separate apartments, and I'm 34 already...
I really don't care for existing, I don't want to inflict that on anyone else.
kind of like a cloud I was up way up in the sky and I was feeling some feelings that I couldn't believe; sometimes I don't believe them myself but I decided I was never coming down
- Arcanis
- Posts: 7235
- Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:15 pm
- Location: Lafayette, LA
- Contact:
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
It sounds more like you have some depression and possibly self-hate issues. I honestly recommend seeking some help for that.Chesspieceface wrote:Well for starters I don't want to care for a child, and I've never really liked them...Trent Steel wrote:Says you now. What do you expect will be achieved by doing so?Chesspieceface wrote:I am simply declining to reproduce or raise children, I am eliminating my gene combo on purpose.
I am not a fan of my bloodline or of my particular apparently genetic disorders...
My idea of marriage involves separate apartments, and I'm 34 already...
I really don't care for existing, I don't want to inflict that on anyone else.
Beyond that please continue the discussion and do your best to validate to us your opinions. I like when someone i disagree with actually tries to change my mind rather than yelling at me and telling me i'm wrong and should be punched in the nuts for not agreeing.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."--George Orwell
- Chesspieceface
- Posts: 4038
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:01 pm
- Location: San Diego, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
I'm not backpedaling at all I'm trying to deccelerate the shitstorm. To keep the discussion civil and interesting. But since you went full cylinder out of the gate I was caught a bit off guard.Mr. Fed wrote: You say a lot of things that you subsequently retreat from when someone calls you on it. People can read this thread and make up their own minds.
You can do better than that, come on really dig deep. I'm such a coward that I post my unpopular opinions and then take the time to try and field all of the flak I get. I am intolerant of religious fanaticism of any kind, including atheistic fanaticism. I believe that it is always to some extent dangerous and harmful to people, I also see that there are some distinct benefits to casual religiosity. My aim is compassion, you just don't want my brand. Don't slander me please, I can do that fine all by myself.If you want to be a bigot, be a bigot. But don't be a coward too. Be the best bigot you can be. Be a proud bigot!
kind of like a cloud I was up way up in the sky and I was feeling some feelings that I couldn't believe; sometimes I don't believe them myself but I decided I was never coming down
- Mr. Fed
- Posts: 15111
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:05 pm
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
See list of quotes above.Chesspieceface wrote: To keep the discussion civil and interesting.
Popehat, a blog.
- The Meal
- Posts: 27993
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:33 pm
- Location: 2005 Stanley Cup Champion
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
This thread is like a police officer tasing a 76-year old tractor driver in a parade.
"Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet." — Elontra
- GreenGoo
- Posts: 42367
- Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:46 pm
- Location: Ottawa, ON
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Wait, so you're ok with bigots but it's cowards you don't like?Mr. Fed wrote:If you want to be a bigot, be a bigot. But don't be a coward too. Be the best bigot you can be. Be a proud bigot!
- Enough
- Posts: 14688
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:05 pm
- Location: Serendipity
- Contact:
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Stress of evacs + bugaboo =
My blog (mostly photos): Fort Ephemera - My Flickr Photostream
“You only get one sunrise and one sunset a day, and you only get so many days on the planet. A good photographer does the math and doesn’t waste either.” ―Galen Rowell
“You only get one sunrise and one sunset a day, and you only get so many days on the planet. A good photographer does the math and doesn’t waste either.” ―Galen Rowell
- GreenGoo
- Posts: 42367
- Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:46 pm
- Location: Ottawa, ON
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Complete agreement.Enough wrote:Stress of evacs + bugaboo =
- gbasden
- Posts: 7679
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:57 am
- Location: Sacramento, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
The summary of the first article really sums up the general discomfort I have about the ideas of really large families...Moliere wrote:Yes, they have. Here are two examples.farley2k wrote:I do wonder if some sociologist has done a study comparing large families to small ones. Things like economic status, perceived happiness, etc.
When Bigger Is Not Better: Family Size, Parental Resources, and Children's Educational Performance
Family Size and the Quality of Children
I hate to distract from the interesting eugenics argument, but I thought this was worth discussing. Hopefully this doesn't put me in the bigot camp.Although the inverse relationship between the number of siblings and children's educational performance has been well established, explanations for this relationship remail primitive. One explanation, resource dilation, posits that parents have finite levels of resources (time, energy, money, etc) and that these resources are diluted among children as sibship size increases. I provide a more rigorous investigation of the dilation model than previous studies, testing its implications with a sample of 24,599 eighth graders from the 1988 National Education Longitudinal Study. My analyses support the resource dilution model in three ways. First, the availability of parental resources decreases as the number of siblings increases, net of controls. The functional form of this relationship is not always linear, however, and depends on the whether the resource is interpersonal or economic. Second, parental resources explain most or all of the inverse relationship between sibship size and educational outcomes. Finally, interactions between sibship size and parental resources support the dilution model as children benefit less from certain parental resouces when they have many versus few siblings.
- Mr. Fed
- Posts: 15111
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:05 pm
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Throw in a few "fuck group X" and I'll give it some thought.gbasden wrote:Hopefully this doesn't put me in the bigot camp.
It would be interesting to inquire (1) first whether level of parent education is correlated with level of child school performance, and then (2) how parent education level is correlated with number of children. It is my impression that number of children declines statistically with level of education, which might have some impact on performance.
Popehat, a blog.
- GuidoTKP
- Posts: 3009
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:45 pm
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
- Contact:
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Remember:
"All I can ever think of when I see BBT is, "that guy f***ed Angelina Jolie? Seriously?" Then I wonder if Angelina ever wakes up in the middle of the night to find Brad Pitt in the shower, huddled in a corner furiously scrubbing at his d*** and going, 'I can't get the smell of Billy Bob off of this thing.' Then I try to think of something, anything, else." --Brian
"Would you go up to a girl in a bar and say 'Pardon me, miss, but before I spend a lot of time chatting you up, and buying you drinks, I'd like to know if you do anal. Because if not, that's a deal-breaker for me.'"
-- Mr. Fed
"Would you go up to a girl in a bar and say 'Pardon me, miss, but before I spend a lot of time chatting you up, and buying you drinks, I'd like to know if you do anal. Because if not, that's a deal-breaker for me.'"
-- Mr. Fed
- gbasden
- Posts: 7679
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:57 am
- Location: Sacramento, CA
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
I'd be interested to know this as well, but those links only go to summaries. Does anyone happen to have access to the full papers?Mr. Fed wrote:It would be interesting to inquire (1) first whether level of parent education is correlated with level of child school performance, and then (2) how parent education level is correlated with number of children. It is my impression that number of children declines statistically with level of education, which might have some impact on performance.gbasden wrote:Hopefully this doesn't put me in the bigot camp.
The article does state that:
I wish I could see the full article. It's certainly possible that the correlation you mention is the root cause behind it, but the first page of the paper seems to point to something else.The inverse relationship between the number of siblings and educational outcomes is one of the most consistent findings in the status attainment literature
- Moliere
- Posts: 12380
- Joined: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:57 am
- Location: Walking through a desert land
Re: Duggar is Welsh for Sociopath
Much Ado about Siblings: Change Models, Sibship Size, and Intellectual Development
The Educational Benefits of Being Spaced Out: Sibship Density and Educational Progress
test your google-fu at Google Scholar to see if there are full studies available without having to purchase them.
The Educational Benefits of Being Spaced Out: Sibship Density and Educational Progress
test your google-fu at Google Scholar to see if there are full studies available without having to purchase them.
"The world is suffering more today from the good people who want to mind other men's business than it is from the bad people who are willing to let everybody look after their own individual affairs." - Clarence Darrow