BTW Theo I wasn't lying, I really didnt do anything last night, I missed the deadline
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Duh... I would have known otherwise.Semaj wrote:Which reminds me, what was the message you monitored (This works for EVERYONE)?
BTW Theo I wasn't lying, I really didnt do anything last night, I missed the deadline
Why would I want an alliance to win if that makes me lose ?msteelers wrote:Sorry I've been MIA. My internet has been up and down all weekend... can we all agree to send a nuke towards Comcast?
I've read through the thread and I don't see anything that jumps out as suspicious outside of those who seem to be anti-alliances. Asking people to cut off that road to victory and potentially waste our few remaining days chasing after alliances instead of rogue nations just doesn't seem right.
msteelers wrote:I don't see anything that jumps out as suspicious outside of those who seem to be anti-alliances. Asking people to cut off that road to victory and potentially waste our few remaining days chasing after alliances instead of rogue nations just doesn't seem right.
Remus West wrote:Understand, I still do not think Theohall is Rogue but it may very well be worth isolating his vote - request he vote for someone alone that we do not want to lynch - in order to break up his alliances.
Qantaga wrote:Just to be clear. I am not advocating that Semaj be lynched. I am pointing out to the rest of us good nations that a secret alliance has been formed and is just two nights from victory (at the expense of several good nations).
Qantaga wrote:I am pointing out to the rest of us good nations that a secret alliance has been formed and is just two nights from victory.
um... 'our time during the night'? Combined with letting rogue nations taking them out?msteelers wrote:I'm not saying we need to completely avoid the secret alliances. I'm saying let the rogue nations worry about them. If you have information on a secret alliance you want to break up, post it here and let the rogue nations take them out. Our time during the day needs to be spent worrying about the rogue nations, and our time during the night spent on finding secret alliances.
So you are confirming then that you are spending all this time looking for people you do NOT want to lynch? Where is the hunt for the Rogue nations? I'm with msteelers on this one. Let the Rogue's break up the alliances. They did a nice job destroying Grund's.Qantaga wrote:Remus, go back and look at my posts (any and all of them). I have never once said "lynch this guy because he could be in an SA."
As a matter of fact, I think this (posted after I had monitored Semaj on the first day) is pretty clear in that regard:
Qantaga wrote:Just to be clear. I am not advocating that Semaj be lynched. I am pointing out to the rest of us good nations that a secret alliance has been formed and is just two nights from victory (at the expense of several good nations).
My continued opinion is that we try to lynch rogue states, but we also try to break up (by votes cast) any secret alliances that are uncovered.
Theohall's possible partners from day 1 - Semaj, Qantaga, Remus WestPlayers with no votes: Qantaga, Semaj, Remus West, theohall
Qantaga wrote:My continued opinion is that we try to lynch rogue states, but we also try to break up (by votes cast) any secret alliances that are uncovered.
Remus West wrote:So you are confirming then that you are spending all this time looking for people you do NOT want to lynch? Where is the hunt for the Rogue nations?
Doubtful. If anyone was already in an alliance with 5 people then they would have already voted as a block and won the game.theohall wrote:In other words, if Remus West played it right, his alliance is on the verge of securing a victory.
You claim to be hunting Rogues but all you do is point ouot those you think in alliances. You have not actually done anything towards finding the Rogues. That speaks much louder than your claims to be hunting them. You have given us several targets that you think are in SAs. You have given us how many you think are Rogue?Qantaga wrote:When I say this:
Qantaga wrote:My continued opinion is that we try to lynch rogue states, but we also try to break up (by votes cast) any secret alliances that are uncovered.
How can you possibly conclude this:
Remus West wrote:So you are confirming then that you are spending all this time looking for people you do NOT want to lynch? Where is the hunt for the Rogue nations?
What part of my "we try to lynch rogue states" implies that I am not hunting for them?
This is the second time you've attributed things to me that I not only have not said, but have very clearly stated the opposite of what you attribute to me. I'm not sure why you would want to do that if you are a good nation looking for rogues. It's sounding more and more like you're just making things up to create a reason to try to stir up the vote against me. If you want to vote against me, fine. Just do so based on what I've really said, not on your attributing things to me that I clearly did not say.
I monitored Grund on the first day and he didn't hint anything other than he received conspiracy offers from LL and Theo.Remus West wrote: On to other things that have been on my mind. Why has nobody asked about the scan target Grund hinted at to CR - a target the rest of you that monitored Grund should have the same code towards finding. What exactly did Grund say in his post other than the use the word super bit that would make folks think he had a super spy? Anyone ever consider that he got blown up not to remove his SA but to remove that Super spy? Those who intercepted his message might be able to tell us more about that possibility. Why is Chaosraven (and presumably those who intercepted Grund's message) keeping a nation that was scanned good secret from the rest of us?
Remus West wrote:You claim to be hunting Rogues but all you do is point ouot those you think in alliances. You have not actually done anything towards finding the Rogues. That speaks much louder than your claims to be hunting them. You have given us several targets that you think are in SAs. You have given us how many you think are Rogue?
Qantaga wrote:I don't have a good read on the rogue states.
With little to go on, my three suspects, at the moment:
1. Remus West. His continued declarations of suspecting anyone who wants to break up a secret alliance seems like he's making up a reason to start throwing votes on anyone (a position a rogue state would like to establish). We all konw the value of forming a secret alliance and any of us (good and bad) will be trying to win in that manner, if possible. However, of course, anyone not in a secret alliance will also be doing everything they can to break up an alliance. Remus knows this, he even posted as much when telling Grund not to vote. So, it just seems like a fabricated way for him to vote out a good nation at his whim.
2. rshetts2. As Vorret says, Lagom suspected him, even while he was in an alliance with him. Maybe Lagom was on to something.
3. Vorret. Even though he later confirmed with msteelers that he did intercept Grund's transmission, it seemed strange that he was complicit in Lagom's lie.
So, you are the only one going into last night that would have known he had a Super spy?Chaosraven wrote:He used *MY* Code, and unless you monitored me, you don't know it. I already noted my allies have been blown up. Obviously Grund was one.
Ah, so finally we come back to that. Which I find funny in timing since you just accused me of twisting your words and yet your own post that you quoted is a complete twist of mine. I said nothing about those who want to break up secret alliances. In fact I was the first to note we could accomplish that by isolating votes. What I said was that those who claimed no interest in being in one (as some folks tried to proclaim themselves yesterday) seem more evil because they are claiming they are not trying to pursue one of the paths to victory.Qantaga wrote:Remus West wrote:You claim to be hunting Rogues but all you do is point ouot those you think in alliances. You have not actually done anything towards finding the Rogues. That speaks much louder than your claims to be hunting them. You have given us several targets that you think are in SAs. You have given us how many you think are Rogue?
I've given you three that I think are Rogue (you at the top of that list):
Qantaga wrote:I don't have a good read on the rogue states.
With little to go on, my three suspects, at the moment:
1. Remus West. His continued declarations of suspecting anyone who wants to break up a secret alliance seems like he's making up a reason to start throwing votes on anyone (a position a rogue state would like to establish). We all konw the value of forming a secret alliance and any of us (good and bad) will be trying to win in that manner, if possible. However, of course, anyone not in a secret alliance will also be doing everything they can to break up an alliance. Remus knows this, he even posted as much when telling Grund not to vote. So, it just seems like a fabricated way for him to vote out a good nation at his whim.
2. rshetts2. As Vorret says, Lagom suspected him, even while he was in an alliance with him. Maybe Lagom was on to something.
3. Vorret. Even though he later confirmed with msteelers that he did intercept Grund's transmission, it seemed strange that he was complicit in Lagom's lie.
Again, you seem to have no interest whatsoever in what I actually say. You are ignoring my real posts and just making up things to attribute them to me. I've done every bit as much as you have in trying to find Rogues, good sir. It really makes me wonder why you keep making statements about me that are untrue.
I, too, am curious how Chaos knows Grund's proven good nation.
So this is supposed to mean you are not trying to win secretly, as well????Vorret wrote:I don't hate you Theo!
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but that's the risk you take when you try to backstab every other good country
anyone who monitored me would have the code.Remus West wrote:So, you are the only one going into last night that would have known he had a Super spy?Chaosraven wrote:He used *MY* Code, and unless you monitored me, you don't know it. I already noted my allies have been blown up. Obviously Grund was one.
So, are you going to share your knowledge before the end of the day or do we risk losing it tonight? No rush, when I say end of day that is what I mean but you really do need to share before nightfall. Or prelynch if we get close to nuking the target.Chaosraven wrote:anyone who monitored me would have the code.Remus West wrote:So, you are the only one going into last night that would have known he had a Super spy?Chaosraven wrote:He used *MY* Code, and unless you monitored me, you don't know it. I already noted my allies have been blown up. Obviously Grund was one.
Why wait?Chaosraven wrote:I will tell what I saw unless someone else does first before 'endofday'
Unless I get nuked soon, I don't plan to win secretly... if we work together I'm sure we can figure out who's who.theohall wrote:So this is supposed to mean you are not trying to win secretly, as well????Vorret wrote:I don't hate you Theo!
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but that's the risk you take when you try to backstab every other good country
The only ones who might not try are Super Spy or Rogue nations.
So which are you?
to see what way the votes and accusations go. In the event there's a push on PlayerX, we can examine it.Vorret wrote:Why wait?Chaosraven wrote:I will tell what I saw unless someone else does first before 'endofday'
I posted everything I got so far maybe some more info could help us figure something out cause right now we have... nothing.
Please explain why you would not use every possible way to win? This sounds way off to me. Unless you have a secret power which can help you win without winning via secret alliance. Only Rogue Nations have that power.Vorret wrote:
Unless I get nuked soon, I don't plan to win secretly...
I love this game. All the double dealing, lying and behind the scenes stuff with each of us trying to figure out what is really going on is totally awesome!!!!Chaosraven wrote:...And after my shattered alliance with Unagi and Grund, I have nothing else to use/offer. I monitored Grund, then Isgrim. My amazing monitoring of grund got me a dual copy of his message. Isgrim sent nuthin'. I hate this game.
theohall wrote:Please explain why you would not use every possible way to win? This sounds way off to me. Unless you have a secret power which can help you win without winning via secret alliance. Only Rogue Nations have that power.Vorret wrote:
Unless I get nuked soon, I don't plan to win secretly...