TiLT wrote:It's nice to see people catching up on what we foreigners have known for a long time. It's a bit funny (and a bit sad) to observe US politics sometimes, to a large degree because your two-party system consists of two right-leaning parties. One slightly less than the other, but both are still on the right side of the spectrum. Yet both toss dirt and slurs at each other as if they were polar opposites.
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That is simply not true. I've always viewed NASA and the government space exploration program as military or at least pseudo-military.SpaceLord wrote:As I said earlier, the comments in the current NASA thread, even from 'conservatives,' illustrate that the cries of 'But Socialism!' are way, way overblown. If you support government be involved in anything like, I dunno, space exploration...they you're supporting something socialist.
I've always said that space is the ultimate 'high-ground'. We need to take it as such...and science benefits as a positive side-effect. National pride also is a factor.
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I agree, I love NASA. But it's socialist. That's just the way it is. Almost as socialist as the military.msduncan wrote:That is simply not true. I've always viewed NASA and the government space exploration program as military or at least pseudo-military.SpaceLord wrote:As I said earlier, the comments in the current NASA thread, even from 'conservatives,' illustrate that the cries of 'But Socialism!' are way, way overblown. If you support government be involved in anything like, I dunno, space exploration...they you're supporting something socialist.
I've always said that space is the ultimate 'high-ground'. We need to take it as such...and science benefits as a positive side-effect. National pride also is a factor.
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It's a reasonable argument for the necessity of space research. But it's utterly irrelevant to the fact that you clearly pick and chose what's "socilaist" (bad) or "not socialist" (good) based upon your personal beliefs regarding what the government should pay for. I'd love to see your reaction to the scope of DARPA grants that are, on one hand, quasi-military (or overtly military), but on the other are rife with the kind of basic science studies that seem to appear ludicrous on the surface and always get highlighted as examples of "government waste" by people who wouldn't know a lab coat from a lab rat.msduncan wrote:That is simply not true. I've always viewed NASA and the government space exploration program as military or at least pseudo-military.SpaceLord wrote:As I said earlier, the comments in the current NASA thread, even from 'conservatives,' illustrate that the cries of 'But Socialism!' are way, way overblown. If you support government be involved in anything like, I dunno, space exploration...they you're supporting something socialist.
I've always said that space is the ultimate 'high-ground'. We need to take it as such...and science benefits as a positive side-effect. National pride also is a factor.
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Care to let the rest of us know what you think instead of pretending you're better without actually, you know, supporting that stance with fact?LawBeefaroni wrote:TiLT wrote:It's nice to see people catching up on what we foreigners have known for a long time. It's a bit funny (and a bit sad) to observe US politics sometimes, to a large degree because your two-party system consists of two right-leaning parties. One slightly less than the other, but both are still on the right side of the spectrum. Yet both toss dirt and slurs at each other as if they were polar opposites.
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"We foreigners understand politics more better than you stupid 'Mericans. All you ever do is insult each other."
wot?
To be fair, adolescent power fantasy tripe is way easier to write than absurd existential horror, and every community has got to start somewhere... right?
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Just that you think "people are catching up" when it's what I've been saying all along. We're not all as ignorant as we seem.TiLT wrote:Care to let the rest of us know what you think instead of pretending you're better without actually, you know, supporting that stance with fact?LawBeefaroni wrote:TiLT wrote:It's nice to see people catching up on what we foreigners have known for a long time. It's a bit funny (and a bit sad) to observe US politics sometimes, to a large degree because your two-party system consists of two right-leaning parties. One slightly less than the other, but both are still on the right side of the spectrum. Yet both toss dirt and slurs at each other as if they were polar opposites.
Don't have time to egosearch but trust me, I've said it repeatedly. Apparently in vain.
IOW, I used the "banging my head against a brick wall" to indicate the fact that I feel like I'm banging my head againt a brick wall, not that I am pretending "to be better."
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All right, I guess I did come off a bit like that. Doesn't change the point I was getting at though. Hell, even Futurama pointed this out with their whole John Jackson vs Jack Johnson election debate.silverjon wrote:"We foreigners understand politics more better than you stupid 'Mericans. All you ever do is insult each other."
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And this is why I prefer to do my debates face to face. Internet communication so easily leads to misinterpretations.LawBeefaroni wrote:Just that you think "people are catching up" when it's what I've been saying all along. We're not all as ignorant as we seem.TiLT wrote:Care to let the rest of us know what you think instead of pretending you're better without actually, you know, supporting that stance with fact?LawBeefaroni wrote:TiLT wrote:It's nice to see people catching up on what we foreigners have known for a long time. It's a bit funny (and a bit sad) to observe US politics sometimes, to a large degree because your two-party system consists of two right-leaning parties. One slightly less than the other, but both are still on the right side of the spectrum. Yet both toss dirt and slurs at each other as if they were polar opposites.
Don't have time to egosearch but trust me, I've said it repeatedly. Apparently in vain.
IOW, I used the "banging my head against a brick wall" to indicate the fact that I feel like I'm banging my head againt a brink wall, not that I am pretending "to be better."
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No problem. But I feel compelled now and I'm on lunch:
First three results:
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LawBeefaroni wrote: There's that consensus. Not enough people know how to make change. Our political system has people fighting along party lines over fabricated issues.
I'm not sure what you expect me to do. If you mean the American people, we can't. We're petty two-party idiots who can't agree on the color of a pile of dog shit because we are so tied to party lines being parroted by politicians know nothing about the issues other than [those] which interested parties contribute to campaign funds [for].
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Ok, back to: Is NASA socialist, yes or no?
I say that Hubble is seeking out viable firing positions in the Eagle Nebula. Once we figure out how to deliver ordnance across 7,000ly in a dozen lifetimes or less, China is toast.
I say that Hubble is seeking out viable firing positions in the Eagle Nebula. Once we figure out how to deliver ordnance across 7,000ly in a dozen lifetimes or less, China is toast.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:Ok, back to: Is NASA socialist, yes or no?
I say that Hubble is seeking out viable firing positions in the Eagle Nebula. Once we figure out how to deliver ordnance across 7,000ly in a dozen lifetimes or less, China is toast.
On the contrary, my friend:
We already launched. China just won't know it for another 100,000 years.
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msduncan, the artful dodger.
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When people pool their talent and money to accomplish a goal that none can do individually, without expecting to profit, is that socialism? Or is it only socialism when they use other people's money?LawBeefaroni wrote:Ok, back to: Is NASA socialist, yes or no?
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See, it all depends on how you define it. The oldest definition refers to the means of production being publicly owned. Given that the vast majority of government projects are being produced by private contractors, I find it hard to buy into the socialism definition. If anything, the government is a market consumer of goods and services.
The government doesn't own farms or factories, it doesn't produce any general consumer good. They provide services, but that's every government. Defense, roads, postal service, etc.
The government doesn't own farms or factories, it doesn't produce any general consumer good. They provide services, but that's every government. Defense, roads, postal service, etc.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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More evidence:Defiant wrote:It's Obama's MMO. Concede something prior to negotiations, and then concede something during negotiations.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... the-table/" target="_blankThese results seem to suggest that Mr. Obama left something on the table. That is, Mr. Obama could have shifted the deal tangibly toward the left and still gotten a bill through without too much of a problem. For instance, even if all members of the Tea Party Caucus had voted against the bill, it would still have passed 237-to-193, and that’s with 95 Democrats voting against it.
Specifically, it seems likely that Mr. Obama could have gotten an extension of the payroll tax cut included in the bill, or unemployment benefits, either of which would have had a stimulative effect. Some Republicans would have complained that the new deal expanded rather than contracted the deficit in 2012, and Mr. Obama would have lost some of their votes. But this stimulus spending wouldn’t have overtly violated their highest-priority goals (no new taxes, and a dollar in spending cuts for every dollar in borrowing authority). And Mr. Obama, evidently, had a few Republican votes he could afford to lose.
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It's not socialist. It's despotic. It's not our space program; it's the governments. I can get a ride on Amtrak, but not on the space shuttle.LawBeefaroni wrote:Ok, back to: Is NASA socialist, yes or no?
I say that Hubble is seeking out viable firing positions in the Eagle Nebula. Once we figure out how to deliver ordnance across 7,000ly in a dozen lifetimes or less, China is toast.
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If the government does it, hell yes it's socialist.Kraken wrote:When people pool their talent and money to accomplish a goal that none can do individually, without expecting to profit, is that socialism? Or is it only socialism when they use other people's money?LawBeefaroni wrote:Ok, back to: Is NASA socialist, yes or no?
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Yes you can, though not right now.noxiousdog wrote:It's not socialist. It's despotic. It's not our space program; it's the governments. I can get a ride on Amtrak, but not on the space shuttle.LawBeefaroni wrote:Ok, back to: Is NASA socialist, yes or no?
I say that Hubble is seeking out viable firing positions in the Eagle Nebula. Once we figure out how to deliver ordnance across 7,000ly in a dozen lifetimes or less, China is toast.
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If this is the definition, then medicare doesn't fit under the socialism moniker either.Isgrimnur wrote:See, it all depends on how you define it. The oldest definition refers to the means of production being publicly owned. Given that the vast majority of government projects are being produced by private contractors, I find it hard to buy into the socialism definition. If anything, the government is a market consumer of goods and services.
The government doesn't own farms or factories, it doesn't produce any general consumer good. They provide services, but that's every government. Defense, roads, postal service, etc.
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I agree in some ways, but Amtrak has not inspired multiple generations of Americans to lead the world in science and technology. NASA has.noxiousdog wrote:It's not socialist. It's despotic. It's not our space program; it's the governments. I can get a ride on Amtrak, but not on the space shuttle.LawBeefaroni wrote:Ok, back to: Is NASA socialist, yes or no?
I say that Hubble is seeking out viable firing positions in the Eagle Nebula. Once we figure out how to deliver ordnance across 7,000ly in a dozen lifetimes or less, China is toast.
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Medicare may not, but your state/county/city/provincial hospitals certainly are.GreenGoo wrote:If this is the definition, then medicare doesn't fit under the socialism moniker either.Isgrimnur wrote:See, it all depends on how you define it. The oldest definition refers to the means of production being publicly owned. Given that the vast majority of government projects are being produced by private contractors, I find it hard to buy into the socialism definition. If anything, the government is a market consumer of goods and services.
The government doesn't own farms or factories, it doesn't produce any general consumer good. They provide services, but that's every government. Defense, roads, postal service, etc.
A government-supplied social safety net is not socialism. There's no production being done. There's no private industry being competed with or pushed out of the market. From an economic standpoint, government taxation (and therefore, spending) may crowd out private investment and private charitable donations by reducing disposable income, that's not a socialist qualification.
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And has also given us advancements in technologyLawBeefaroni wrote:I agree in some ways, but Amtrak has not inspired multiple generations of Americans to lead the world in science and technology. NASA has.noxiousdog wrote:It's not socialist. It's despotic. It's not our space program; it's the governments. I can get a ride on Amtrak, but not on the space shuttle.LawBeefaroni wrote:Ok, back to: Is NASA socialist, yes or no?
I say that Hubble is seeking out viable firing positions in the Eagle Nebula. Once we figure out how to deliver ordnance across 7,000ly in a dozen lifetimes or less, China is toast.
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Ok, but that doesn't make it socialist.LawBeefaroni wrote: I agree in some ways, but Amtrak has not inspired multiple generations of Americans to lead the world in science and technology. NASA has.
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But I think it makes it less despotic.noxiousdog wrote:Ok, but that doesn't make it socialist.LawBeefaroni wrote: I agree in some ways, but Amtrak has not inspired multiple generations of Americans to lead the world in science and technology. NASA has.
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What you call "inspired" could also be called "propaganda"LawBeefaroni wrote:But I think it makes it less despotic.noxiousdog wrote:Ok, but that doesn't make it socialist.LawBeefaroni wrote: I agree in some ways, but Amtrak has not inspired multiple generations of Americans to lead the world in science and technology. NASA has.
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Why? The military is despotic.LawBeefaroni wrote:But I think it makes it less despotic.noxiousdog wrote:Ok, but that doesn't make it socialist.LawBeefaroni wrote: I agree in some ways, but Amtrak has not inspired multiple generations of Americans to lead the world in science and technology. NASA has.
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Wouldn't things like the national guard, Posse Comitatus, etc., make it less despotic?noxiousdog wrote:Why? The military is despotic.LawBeefaroni wrote:But I think it makes it less despotic.noxiousdog wrote:Ok, but that doesn't make it socialist.LawBeefaroni wrote: I agree in some ways, but Amtrak has not inspired multiple generations of Americans to lead the world in science and technology. NASA has.
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Well the US military is sworn to protect the Constitution, not the President. But you knew that so you must agree that the US is an oligarchy?noxiousdog wrote:Why? The military is despotic.LawBeefaroni wrote:But I think it makes it less despotic.noxiousdog wrote:Ok, but that doesn't make it socialist.LawBeefaroni wrote: I agree in some ways, but Amtrak has not inspired multiple generations of Americans to lead the world in science and technology. NASA has.
We may be getting somewhere...
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Defiant wrote:It's Obama's MMO. Concede something prior to negotiations, and then concede something during negotiations.
And yet another example:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 8228.story" target="_blankPresident Barack Obama unexpectedly asked the Environmental Protection Agency on Friday to withdraw a plan to limit smog pollution, handing a big win to business and Republicans who have argued the initiative was a job killer in uncertain times.
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Endorsing that new oil pipeline was another big slap at environmentalists.Defiant wrote:Defiant wrote:It's Obama's MMO. Concede something prior to negotiations, and then concede something during negotiations.
And yet another example:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 8228.story" target="_blankPresident Barack Obama unexpectedly asked the Environmental Protection Agency on Friday to withdraw a plan to limit smog pollution, handing a big win to business and Republicans who have argued the initiative was a job killer in uncertain times.
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The whole idea of Keystone XL being in the news now weirds me out. TransCanada has been working on getting their licensing in place since at least 2008, so it's fait accompli in my frame of reference.Kraken wrote:Endorsing that new oil pipeline was another big slap at environmentalists.
wot?
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Unless one loses a precious thing, he will never know its true value. A little light finally scratches the darkness; it lets the exhausted one face his shattered dream and realize his path cannot be walked. Can man live happily without embracing his wounded heart?
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Unless one loses a precious thing, he will never know its true value. A little light finally scratches the darkness; it lets the exhausted one face his shattered dream and realize his path cannot be walked. Can man live happily without embracing his wounded heart?
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Every dollar spent by those businesses investing in upgrading their decades old infrastructure is another dollar spent on jobs in the US. This "it will cost money" doesn't look at any of the benefits, and is such a strawman argument.Defiant wrote:Defiant wrote:It's Obama's MMO. Concede something prior to negotiations, and then concede something during negotiations.
And yet another example:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 8228.story" target="_blankPresident Barack Obama unexpectedly asked the Environmental Protection Agency on Friday to withdraw a plan to limit smog pollution, handing a big win to business and Republicans who have argued the initiative was a job killer in uncertain times.
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Pretty much. If it doesn't create jobs directly in the industry that it's supposed to impact, it's a "job killer". Never mind that there are places that have to hire people to ramp up production to produce the new equipment required...
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Where's that applause emoticon?geezer wrote:It's a reasonable argument for the necessity of space research. But it's utterly irrelevant to the fact that you clearly pick and chose what's "socilaist" (bad) or "not socialist" (good) based upon your personal beliefs regarding what the government should pay for. I'd love to see your reaction to the scope of DARPA grants that are, on one hand, quasi-military (or overtly military), but on the other are rife with the kind of basic science studies that seem to appear ludicrous on the surface and always get highlighted as examples of "government waste" by people who wouldn't know a lab coat from a lab rat.msduncan wrote:That is simply not true. I've always viewed NASA and the government space exploration program as military or at least pseudo-military.SpaceLord wrote:As I said earlier, the comments in the current NASA thread, even from 'conservatives,' illustrate that the cries of 'But Socialism!' are way, way overblown. If you support government be involved in anything like, I dunno, space exploration...they you're supporting something socialist.
I've always said that space is the ultimate 'high-ground'. We need to take it as such...and science benefits as a positive side-effect. National pride also is a factor.
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Obama has done nothing but fold like a house of cards again and again. The pipeline push and his lack of defense of the still incredibly valuable EPA is really starting to piss me off. But yeah, he's a socialist monster that is the most liberal POTUS ever.Pyperkub wrote:Every dollar spent by those businesses investing in upgrading their decades old infrastructure is another dollar spent on jobs in the US. This "it will cost money" doesn't look at any of the benefits, and is such a strawman argument.Defiant wrote:Defiant wrote:It's Obama's MMO. Concede something prior to negotiations, and then concede something during negotiations.
And yet another example:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 8228.story" target="_blankPresident Barack Obama unexpectedly asked the Environmental Protection Agency on Friday to withdraw a plan to limit smog pollution, handing a big win to business and Republicans who have argued the initiative was a job killer in uncertain times.
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I'm curious why you think it's a 1:1 relationship.Isgrimnur wrote:Pretty much. If it doesn't create jobs directly in the industry that it's supposed to impact, it's a "job killer". Never mind that there are places that have to hire people to ramp up production to produce the new equipment required...
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I'm not suggesting that there's an equivalency. I'm stating that I never see research indicating what the total jobs created would be for comparison.
It's almost as if people are the problem.