[WW] The Princess Bride - Game Over

[RMC]

I am very leery that we suddenly stumble into this 'luck'. Seems like we suddenly went from getting nothing right to getting everything right. But the more days and night that go by, I guess we should get lucky sooner or later.

[Mr Bubbles]

I can understand the sentiment, but I can assure you Stessier is disarmed. I scanned Lassr the first night, Remus night two, pr0ner night three and then Stessier night four. Stess was my pick out of RMC, Stess and rshetts2.

[El Guapo]

I can understand the sentiment, but I can assure you Stessier is disarmed. I scanned Lassr the first night, Remus night two, pr0ner night three and then Stessier night four. Stess was my pick out of RMC, Stess and rshetts2.

I guess the key question is why you came forward with this on Night 5 rather than Day 5.

[Mr Bubbles]

I was second guessing myself as to whether or not it was a good idea, but by the time night hit, I felt vulnerable and didn't want to good guys to know a bad guy, if I was to be the target for tonight.

[Scoop20906]

I was second guessing myself as to whether or not it was a good idea, but by the time night hit, I felt vulnerable and didn't want to good guys to know a bad guy, if I was to be the target for tonight.

Or you just got converted by Unagi on his way out? Still, actually, it makes more sense in this case for a converted player to wait until morning to announce.

Bubbs, why were you second guessing? You'd caught another evil player.

[Mr Bubbles]

No.. I haven't had as much time for this game as I would have liked and had this sense of dread that I would do something really stupid as I have in the past.

[Lagom Lite]

Well Bubs could be Unagi's new convert but I find it unlikely. I'd rather test stessier tomorrow.

I wasn't converted. Having said that, I shouldn't be trusted.

[Lagom Lite]

I can understand the sentiment, but I can assure you Stessier is disarmed. I scanned Lassr the first night, Remus night two, pr0ner night three and then Stessier night four. Stess was my pick out of RMC, Stess and rshetts2.

Uhm... who did you scan night 0?

[Lagom Lite]

Tomorrow there will be 6 villagers and 3 evils (and an unknown amount of pirates, but nevermind I suppose). We can still only afford a single miss. Two misses = loss.

[Lagom Lite]

I can understand the sentiment, but I can assure you Stessier is disarmed. I scanned Lassr the first night, Remus night two, pr0ner night three and then Stessier night four. Stess was my pick out of RMC, Stess and rshetts2.

Uhm... who did you scan night 0?

Seriously. You should have 5 scans. Are you lying?

[Lagom Lite]

Unagi talks about Scoop (pg 4):

I'm a little mixed on this Scoop thing, but not going to act on it today.

I will first say that I really sincerely think he just shouldn't do this stuff, period, but - hey - it's a game... and - it's Scoop.

My first reaction was that he was just being scoop.

I can see Scoop being tempted by how declaring a Seer just blows these games wide open, though. I'm left being fairly unsettled as to why, on Night 0, a simple villager Scoop thought that was the best move.... but it's equally odd for any of the evil/pirate players to do. (accept perhaps to get a pirate scan, as "Westley" is/was the DPR)

But it's scoop.

One of these days though, Scoop is going to get wise as to what level of stuff we just let him get away with, and I don't know if he's actually taking advantage of that right now or not.

My leaning on Scoop is basically: 35% (evil/pirate) / 60% Villager / 5% Westley.

If killing him today convinced Scoop to stop pulling this kind of move, I'd do it. I actually am pretty certain it wouldn't.


I've got an entirely unrelated question. Did anyone else read this the way that I did? (it's in bb2112's reply)

It is still night?! Can't those evil lunkheads figure out who to kill yet?
IT'S REMUS!! KILL REMUS!!
Now let's get this going!

To be fair, the night 0 kill is a tough choice. I mean, do they kill "good guy whose role they don't know" or "good guy whose role they don't know", or possibly kill "good guy whose role they don''t know." It's not an easy choice.

El Guapo, that is what I'm saying. Remus is available to kill, so it is not a hard choice. Talk to the rest of your team of bad guys and get this done please. Thanksomuch.

See it?

Funny:

Also, I think bb2112 accidentally poked an innocent earlier - but no one is listening to me. Do I actually need to choke people before I'm listened to?

Also, worth reposting:

RMC, where art thee?

[RMC]

I'm here... Just not much to say, as this game has me not trusting anybody...

[Lagom Lite]

Scoop responds to Unagi, and explains his double-bluff-claim to be Westley (pg 5):

Unagi, I've got to play my style. I'm not the analytical type or the catalog everything type or even the lists type. I'm the WTF is he doing type. I'm at my most dangerous when I have either something to lose or nothing to lose.

If you can't easily categorize me then I'm having the effect I want. Good may be confused but so would evil. I could be a special hiding in plain site. I could be an evil player expecting a pass from the good players for playing the wrong way. I could be a pirate signaling my leader too.

So what is my plan? To get you and your buddies in your forum thinking I'm going to lynched. And I expect I won't be lynched. It ensures my survival to perform my function.

Also, Unagi I see exactly what you are saying about BB. If you go there with your vote I will follow.

More Unagi/Scoop interaction:

It's when bb2112 remarks that: "Remus is available to kill, so it is not a hard choice." that my eyes lit up.

How would bb2112 know if Remus was "available to kill"?

I think this is a nice catch.

Scoop mentions Unagi (and stessier, for future reference) in some sort of threat list:

Damn, Newcastle only made one post after roles were distributed. Hmmm. Maybe they did just see his post as dropping a hint and then put the order in that 2 hour window.

Now, who do we know that likes to pick up on or lay his own subtle hints??

Unagi
Chaosraven
Stessier
Remus West

(Thats opinion only)

Yeah, not sure what else I can do with the line of investigation.

[Lagom Lite]

I'm here... Just not much to say, as this game has me not trusting anybody...

It's really interesting how you seem to instantly pop up whenever your name is mentioned.

[Lagom Lite]

Unagi mentions Scoop again (pg 6):

What scoop did was the opposite of that.

It only makes sense as a Vizzini play, really. But even that seems needless - as Scoop as Vizzini would likely eventually get himself lynched some way, anyhow.

(I'm doing this page by page if you're wondering, and I'm lloking primarily at interactions between Unagi and players still in this game).

[RMC]

I'm here... Just not much to say, as this game has me not trusting anybody...

It's really interesting how you seem to instantly pop up whenever your name is mentioned.

It's a talent...Really it is..

[Lagom Lite]

Unagi responds to pr0ner (pg 7):

Why is it that I, and other silents, get poked, yet Isgrimnur announces before Day 1 even begins that he's out til FRIDAY and gets a free pass as a result of it?

That's a bit of an odd argument to put forth.
He announced he would be gone until Friday. So - we know he is gone. His abscence and lack of posts are directly connected to that.
On top of that, he announced that before the game even began, so - as El Guapo points out - you can't attach that specific ezmate moment as an Evil action.

Now, you on the other hand are obviously here and able to chime in.

So, that is WHY you, and other silents, get poked, yet Isgrimnur gets a free pass.

Theohall (deceased) brings forward the early Scoop train:

There are bad guys in here somewhere:

Scoop (6): PLW, El Guapo, rshetts2, bb2112, triggercut, PLW, coopasonic

Stessier pokes pr0ner:

That said, I still would have disapproved of the ezmating. Always have, always will.

Why?

What an odd thing to give a flying fig about.

So far:
* If stessier is evil, it would seem to indicate pr0ner is not (as much as I hate to admit it).
* RMC posts, then slips away.
* LOTS of interactions between Scoop and Unagi indicates Scoop is not evil.

[Lagom Lite]

Ancient wisdom (pg 8):

Quick thought: Fast train on Scoop, then fast train on bb2112. Correlation?

Scoop says:

Coop, I'm a follower, not leader this game. My only data point is "scoop is villager". Other than that you supposedly know as much as I do. I also expected someone to try to use me as bait to drive a bandwagon against another player in an effort to save myself. I'm not falling for that.

I'm interested in the BB vote however I want to hear what Unagi has to say. Remus sounds convinced.

But, evil needs to play it oh so safe this game. They don't want to ruffle any feathers.

Theohall, I'm not convinced any baddies joined my bandwagon yet but once the majority is reached it will be interesting to see what people voted for me so they had a safe vote.

Rhetts2, if you feel strongly I'm trying to fool you then vote away. Just be prepared for the fallout when I come up villager. I say that to the evil players too. I will not be your easy lynch. You're going to have to night kill me.

Scoop mentions Unagi:

Well.... bb2112 sure seems to want to kill you, Scoop, without the "benefit" of using his "plan" first.

I don't see anything insidious about the BB "plan". I find the comment Unagi dug up more telling. Also, I do feel like he was pushing some for my lynch. I need to hear from Unagi before making any moves however. Why Unagi you ask? Just cause.

Scoop/coop thumbsup:

Good post, Coop. Thanks for putting that together.

Unagi says he detects "agitation in pr0ner's reply" and that he's acting different, and suspicious of Scoop:

Im not sure what people are seeing that is evil in the suggestion that we have our scanners focus on one subject each night.

I don't think the plan is an evil move, I think it's just not a great plan due to the holes in it. (getting consensus being the plan killer. and false/tainted clearing of a player being the major drawback)

My concern from bb2112 stems from his earlier statement. Where I think he revealed that he looked at the list of players and saw Remus as a target.

When the game had just started, I had looked at that player list a few times in and around while everyone was having the exchange I quoted.
I was figuring out who was in the game, etc, - and I was wondering if people (Remus specifically, quite frankly) was a wolf... So when bb2112 said Remus was clearly available to kill, it sounded pretty off.

Now what's interesting to me is his plan, on some level...

IMO, the plan would (from a "sneaky-bb2112"'s point of view,) likely lead to everyone saying "OK, let's all scan You!" At least, one would think bb2112 would consider that when he decided to share the idea. I know that was my inclination, to see if he was OK if we focused it on him.... I don't discount him being evil and betting this plan would be tossed, but clearly, I'm not sure one of the 3 evil would want to be scanned. So, yeah. I don't know.

But, (and if you are a villager bb2112, I seriously do apologies for hounding you) wouldn't a dread pirate welcome all those scans? That could give him his full fleet tonight. We could even blow off the plan out of hand, and that post alone may get him scanned by his crew.

it's Day 1. Our number 1 goal really is to not kill/reveal one of our specials. Close behind is to catch a wolf.

I definetly detected that agitation in pr0ner's reply about being poked while Isgrimnur ezmated, and I've actually enjoyed a pretty different pr0ner in the last few games.

Additionally, Remus' strong affirmation on the bb2112 vote is a little off putting to me, and I'm curious to hear what he says to my post here, regarding bb2112. Theohall being on it also gives me pause, but I was also feeling concerns on him when he dismissed my read on bb2112 originally, so I'll frankly admit I obviously might just want to find him evil, or it could also be evidence of him being evil too...

Scoop, to be honest - I'm not 100% sold that you are on team villager, and I say that as a favor.
Anyone that becomes totally trusted right now becomes grade A conversion material. I have actually played with the idea of getting you off the books just to stop you (of all people) from constantly stirring the pot if you are left alive, trusted, and converted.
Sorry, but that's what's driving me nuts about you and this move right now.

* Right, that's all for now. Gotta go. I know I should do this at day, but the baddies might not let me live. If I die, avenge meee!

[Mr Bubbles]

I can understand the sentiment, but I can assure you Stessier is disarmed. I scanned Lassr the first night, Remus night two, pr0ner night three and then Stessier night four. Stess was my pick out of RMC, Stess and rshetts2.

Uhm... who did you scan night 0?

Lassr was night 0 and Stess was night 4. I didn't need to scan night 5 since I accomplished my goal. I held off on day 5 until the night cycle hit and I was afraid I would be the target.

[Mr Bubbles]

I can understand the sentiment, but I can assure you Stessier is disarmed. I scanned Lassr the first night, Remus night two, pr0ner night three and then Stessier night four. Stess was my pick out of RMC, Stess and rshetts2.

Uhm... who did you scan night 0?

Lassr was night 0 and Stess was night 4. I didn't need to scan night 5 since I accomplished my goal. I held off on day 5 until the night cycle hit and I was afraid I would be the target.

What the.. Ok so I'm doing the math and it seems off. Let me see if I missed someone.

[Mr Bubbles]

I'm such a dork. Disclaimer I am blaming daddy brain. Apparently I scanned Remus twice, to illustrate how much I like him, or distrust him. I can't decide which.

[Scoop20906]

I'm such a dork. Disclaimer I am blaming daddy brain. Apparently I scanned Remus twice, to illustrate how much I like him, or distrust him. I can't decide which.

What?

[El Guapo]

While bone headed, that's too ridiculous an explanation to be evil, right? Like, if Bubbles were evil and lying he'd just pick someone to fill in the missing scan, right? Or is he so clever to feign a bone head move?

[rshetts2]

well considering hes a new dad and all Im not all that surprised that he may have made a double scan. It is a bit boneheaded but Im inclined to believe him. Besides, if he were evil, why lie about that instead of naming a false check? Seems like a weird play if it isnt true.

[Lagom Lite]

I don't buy it. If Daddy Bubba double-scanned, he would have remembered making such a mistake. The PM from Qantaga would surely have been colorful enough.

[Scoop20906]

Well, if we test Stessier then we get a miss and then take out Bubbs the next night.

[Mr Bubbles]

I don't buy it. If Daddy Bubba double-scanned, he would have remembered making such a mistake. The PM from Qantaga would surely have been colorful enough.

It is not conceivable that I made a mistake? I'm beginning to think you're a convert.

[El Guapo]

I'm assuming that Bubbles is telling the truth. If he's evil and did an intentional bonehead move so that we would be like "he wouldn't fake that, right?" then I'll tip by hat to him.

Anyhow, Team Evil needs to get moving and kill someone! We have momentum and I want to keep moving forward. Maybe KK?

[Qantaga]

You wake this morning with a new resolve.

Finding one of those responsible for the evil that has been terrorizing the village has rejuvenated you. You know there are still more of them to find, but hopefulness has replaced your previous feeling of dread.

You stride out of your cottage and into the village square with more energy than you've had in days. You have a few ideas that you'd like to run past some of the other villagers.

You are deep in your own thoughts as you approach the fountain. It takes a minute for you to realize that, just like yesterday morning, no one is here. You look around.

There... you see someone walking into the Inn. "Oh, no," you think. "Not again."

You enter the Inn, expecting another grisly scene. However, the Inn is bustling with smiling faces and the tones of normal conversation. Several of the villagers have been up early this morning, making breakfast and brewing coffee. It seems you're not the only one with a new feeling of hope this morning. You're not really hungry, but you do grab a cup of coffee and greet several villagers.

You decide to take your coffee outside. You want to think things over and you decide to take a walk by the river to try to put your ideas for today in order, before you run them by the other villagers.

You take a familiar shortcut through the forest's edge and make your way along a small path. You round a turn and see the river glittering just ahead through the few remaining trees when...

*Whoops* ... you trip. You sprawl headlong and your coffee flies up and out, amazingly right between two branches, to splash along the river's edge.

You look around to see what you tripped over and you see... a foot!

You hurriedly pull the body out from the bush that had almost concealed it. You feel your spirits plummet. You recognize this cold, dead face immediately.

Scoop is dead.

You shout out for someone to come help you. As you wait, you look closely at Scoop's body. Sure enough, on his ankle, the one that tripped you, you see the smudge beginning to grow. You hold your breath hoping to see the new runes that you saw for the first time yesterday. The runes begin to form and you know already that your hopes are for naught. The word becomes clear and confirms your fear.

The word is Villager.

[Qantaga]

Living:
3. Lassr
5. stessier
6. Mr. Bubbles
8. pr0ner
10. coopasonic
14. El Guapo
17. Lagom Lite
19. rshetts2
20. RMC

Dead:

9. Newcastle - strangled in the night
1. bb2112 - lynched
2. PLW - drowned in the night
18. Isgrimnur - lynched
12. triggercut - hanged in the night
4. theohall - sunk in the river (lynched)
7. Chaosraven - dumped in the fountain overnight
11. Remus West - skewered with arrows (lynched)
13. tru1cy - found dead in his cottage overnight
16. Unagi - stoned - Evil
15. Scoop - found dead in the woods overnight

It is now Day 6.

Who will you lynch?

Majority is 5

Deadline is Wednesday, September 14 at Midnight EST.

[RMC]

Well I guess Scoop wasn't converted then..So who was it?

Or did LL really give us Humperdink? What if LL never was the Booer and just gave us a member of team evil to help confirm him...But that doesn't make sense....But what if they think we think that wouldn't make any sense????

And I am guessing no Max, right? As this would be a good time to rez Scoop, since he was a villager, and if we believe LL then there is no Humperdink to convert anymore...

<shrug>

I guess we follow Mr. Bubbles and if Stress is not team evil we off Mr. Bubbles... <shrug> Right?

 Stessier 
 

[RMC]

Also why the heck Scoop???

We would have off'd him anyway eventually just to prove he had not been converted.... I can not figure out team evil at all...

Will have to look back over and see if Scoop had some suspects that might have triggered the killing... Or is it just that Scoop has been very busy this game, and stirring the pot..

<shrug>

[coopasonic]

This has gone from way too hard to way too easy. I'm not sure I like it, but I don't think there's anything to do but go along with it at this point.

 stessier 
 

[Mr Bubbles]

Also why the heck Scoop???

We would have off'd him anyway eventually just to prove he had not been converted.... I can not figure out team evil at all...

Will have to look back over and see if Scoop had some suspects that might have triggered the killing... Or is it just that Scoop has been very busy this game, and stirring the pot..

<shrug>

Even before the reveals Scoop had a pretty good guess. I think he pegged Stess as Vizzini. Could be his guess work was too close for comfort.

[Mr Bubbles]

Oh and  Stessier 
 

[pr0ner]

 stessier 
 

[Scoop20906]

[El Guapo]

I think there's good reason to believe Mr. Bubbles

 Stessier 
 

[Qantaga]

Voting:

3. Lassr ---------------->
5. stessier ------------->
6. Mr. Bubbles --------> stessier
8. pr0ner --------------> stessier
10. coopasonic -------> stessier
14. El Guapo ----------> stessier
17. Lagom Lite ------->
19. rshetts2 ----------->
20. RMC ----------------> stessier

stessier (5): RMC, coopasonic, Mr Bubbles, pr0ner, El Guapo


*Please let me know if I've missed anything.


Players remaining: 9
Majority is 5


Voting is closed.

[Qantaga]

You walk slowly to the village square, along with everyone else.

You get there and take a seat on the edge of the fountain. You are just about to open your mouth to outline some of your ideas to the group, when...

Someone grabs stessier.
Someone else throws a rope with a noose over the beam holding the Inn's sign.
A third person leads a horse-drawn carriage under the noose.
A fourth helps drag stessier up to the top of the driver's bench of the carriage.
A fifth loops the noose around stessier's neck and pulls it tight.

Together, they leap down and slap the horse's rump. The horse races away, the carriage flies out from under stessier's feet. He drops and his neck snaps with an audible crack.

stessier is dead.

You go to the rope, untie it, and watch as stessier's body falls to the ground.

You walk over and kneel down to study him. You hold your breath. The smudge forms on stessier's chin. Soon, the runes form. You look closely. You wonder what word will they form this time. You see the first rune clearly now and your hopes rise. Then, the second and the third. You are thrilled, but still you wait for the word to form completely, just to be sure. Finally, it's there.

The word is Evil.