OOWW: JLA ... GAME OVER!

[Unagi]

Superman should have conversion immunity. It's a game breaker.

I would even go so far as to say that unless the Superman role is modified to give him conversion immunity, Protectors should Protect Superman tonight, and Green Arrow (was it?) should SHOOT SUPERMAN tomorrow.

Yes. That's right. Shoot Superman. That's how dangerous he is to us now. Even if the Joker is only a possibility, it ends the game.

I wouldn't say that he still stands by this (I am quite sure he'll have comments on this whole thing), but at one point - the idea of an lynch immune superman was ruffling some feathers.

And it's not simply about you being converted now - it's about that ever happening.

[triggercut]

Shoot me now and we're down two from team hero, with no new information to lynch by, resulting in a decent chance at hanging another hero today.

If we started at 12-5 and they avoid killing a protected hero, it would be 8-5 on Wednesday morning, with...2 more misses? 1 more miss if the Joker is in game and not lynched last.

If we started at 11-6, and they avoid killing a protected hero, it would be 7-6 on Wednesday morning. If the Joker is active and in-game, he would have to be the last Villain lynched or the badguys win.

Not a good play. Disastrous.

Lagom, seriously? Which team are you on?

[Austin]

We do not shoot Superman. The odds do not point that way, and if that happened to happen, oh well - sucks to be us. Sometimes a royal flush comes up when you're holding 4 aces, but you still gotta' play your aces.

I still think it's a bit silly to let Grund live based on his telling us it would be a bad move to lynch him. It's pretty easy to claim vague specialness in this game when there is a good chance you can claim role X without a counter claim, if even forced to come out. Of course he could be playing his fav role. . . .

Can we lynch Remus West?

[Remus West]

I still think it's a bit silly to let Grund live based on his telling us it would be a bad move to lynch him.

I agree.

Can we lynch Remus West?

Yeah-- we don't want to do that. I'm not kidding.


BTW, could you recall this friggin Africa heat that has infected Michigan. I can not sleep and have been seriously considering turning on my AC it is so hot in my house. Take it back over there where it is expected to be. I do not want.

[Austin]

We're heading toward the dry season and cooler weather. The mornings are cool, but we still have plenty of heat by 11:00AM. Of course I never thought I would hear myself say, "At least it's only 95 today."

Well if you're not kidding you could not possibly be The Joker. (Do I Capitalize the "the" in your name?)

[Chaosraven]

. Munch munch munch.

[Lagom Lite]

Superman should have conversion immunity. It's a game breaker.

I would even go so far as to say that unless the Superman role is modified to give him conversion immunity, Protectors should Protect Superman tonight, and Green Arrow (was it?) should SHOOT SUPERMAN tomorrow.

Yes. That's right. Shoot Superman. That's how dangerous he is to us now. Even if the Joker is only a possibility, it ends the game.

I wouldn't say that he still stands by this (I am quite sure he'll have comments on this whole thing), but at one point - the idea of an lynch immune superman was ruffling some feathers.

And it's not simply about you being converted now - it's about that ever happening.

Shoot me now and we're down two from team hero, with no new information to lynch by, resulting in a decent chance at hanging another hero today.

If we started at 12-5 and they avoid killing a protected hero, it would be 8-5 on Wednesday morning, with...2 more misses? 1 more miss if the Joker is in game and not lynched last.

If we started at 11-6, and they avoid killing a protected hero, it would be 7-6 on Wednesday morning. If the Joker is active and in-game, he would have to be the last Villain lynched or the badguys win.

Not a good play. Disastrous.

Lagom, seriously? Which team are you on?

As I wrote this morning, as long as there is a night kill it's very unlikely that triggercut has been converted - yet. Therefore no, no shooting Supes - not today.

But triggercut, do you realize how incredibly dangerous you are? It's sort of unsettling how you completely dismiss the seppuku idea. If you get converted and we lack a Shooter/Lantern, it's bye-bye.

Also, I very much doubt we face 5 villains. Too many players for that, the number of hits must match the number of misses for a balanced game. I'd guess 4 villains is more likely (or even 3, given all the built-in obfuscations).

[Lagom Lite]

I'd be up for testing Remus btw. Or Grund.

We have a pool (well, duo) of trusted that the villains need to off at some point. While I'm going to remain ambiguous about my role for a little while longer (sorry about that), I'd like some clarity on the roles claimed. tru1cy does have a point.

[Lagom Lite]

And yeah, I realize Remus was kidding. I have other reasons.

[Austin]

While I'm going to remain ambiguous about my role for a little while longer (sorry about that), I'd like some clarity on the roles claimed. tru1cy does have a point.

I know it's hard to fake a claim with so little info, but at least you have a chance in this game to take a stab in the dark.

 Lagom Lite 
 

[Lagom Lite]

While I'm going to remain ambiguous about my role for a little while longer (sorry about that), I'd like some clarity on the roles claimed. tru1cy does have a point.

I know it's hard to fake a claim with so little info, but at least you have a chance in this game to take a stab in the dark.

 Lagom Lite 
 

While I sympathize, that's the wrong move. Lynch me later.

[bb2112]

Wow, you guys have been busy.

About the whole Trig / Unagi thing, I don't think there is really anything of substance there. I think Unagi is just pointing out all the possibliities in case the most unlikliest of scenarios does occur, he can then point to himself as the smartest guy in the room. I think we can all concede that Unagi is extremely smart and his scenario could happen. At the same time, it would be foolish to do anything about it at this stage of the game unless a lot more evidence rises to the surface to confirm it. So, therefore, in and of itself, I don't think the whole Unagi pointing out Trig has an extremely small chance of being evil, as confirming Unagi as evil. There may be other things that I'm not seeing, but this shouldn't be it by itself.

Austin, although I believe LL may be a bad guy, it is way too early to put him to the test again. The fact that you want to is leading me to believe that:

1. Either you have some information the rest of us doesn't
2. That you are evil and would love to have us lynch a good hero
3. Truly believe he is bad and the consequences be damned if you are wrong

You weren't on my radar before, but now... And if you are either WW or Dr. Fate, you may have tipped your hand to the bad guys. I only point this out here because if I picked up on it (not being the smartest guy in the room), so did a lot of others.

[Unagi]

I think we can all concede that Unagi is extremely smart and his scenario could happen.

Thank you.

See guys, was that so hard?

[Lassr]

Wow, gone half a day and have 3 pages to make up. Went and watched the US (Under 23) Soccer National Team beat Cuba 6-0.

[Unagi]

 Remus West 
 


Basically it's his sloppy accusational additute that stands out to me.

[Unagi]

I still think it's a bit silly to let Grund live based on his telling us it would be a bad move to lynch him.

I believe the underlying reason that most people aren't voting for him isn't really because of the totally mild claim to a role - more of a 'Keep him around until Day 3' mentality.

It's pretty easy to claim vague specialness in this game when there is a good chance you can claim role X without a counter claim

Your statement doesn't make sense.
It's certainly easy to make a vague claim of specialness (Lagom's is the much better example of that) - but I don't know how that butts up against the condition of "when there is a good chance you can claim role X without a counter claim".

How do you figure there is a good chance you could claim role X without a counter claim.

If I were a bad guy, I don't think I would say "Dude, I can just claim HERO-X, I mean - there is a good chance I can claim that without a counter claim". How on earth would I know there is a good chance of no counter-claim.
I guess if we knew there were 5 Hero roles in play, and there was a menu of like 15 of them, we could say they have a 66% chance to just claim something uncontested... but I don't think we are loooking at numbers anything like that.

Of course he could be playing his fav role. . . .

The way he started this game, I was basically convinced that he was. (For those of you that don't know.... it's the Zerker)

[Unagi]

BTW, I would also be more than happy to put Isgrimnur to the rope.

He's clearly riding under everyones radar and may very well be a critical evil game piece.

[Remus West]

Are you talking about Grund's favorite role or Lagom's? I ask because I don't remember either saying the beserker is their favorite and I know that Grund has, on several occassions, stated that his favorite is a normal.

[triggercut]

BTW, I would also be more than happy to put Isgrimnur to the rope.

He's clearly riding under everyones radar and may very well be a critical evil game piece.

Ya think?

[Unagi]

Are you talking about Grund's favorite role or Lagom's? I ask because I don't remember either saying the beserker is their favorite and I know that Grund has, on several occassions, stated that his favorite is a normal.

Grund.

And you must have totally missed the last game where he devilishly said specifically that he was "playing his favorite role" (while not actually playing much of the game, and everyone ringing their hands about lynching him).

We eventually did, and ZERK goes the Grundbegriff.

[triggercut]

:lol:

Isg's last post to this thread, 9 days ago.

[Lassr]

A lot to wrap my head around. I too think it is much ado about nothing with Unagi and "his" scenario when I mentioned it before he did. No one jumped on me about it. It is an event that has a very small chance of happening but could have a devastating affect on us (the Heroes before someone asks who is "us.") But the same with Mara Jade, it is something I don't think is worth dwelling on because if that scenario happened then just it's just bad damn luck for us and kudos to team evil.

[Lassr]

BTW, I would also be more than happy to put Isgrimnur to the rope.

He's clearly riding under everyones radar and may very well be a critical evil game piece.

I agree.

 Isgrimnur 
 

[Austin]

Are you talking about Grund's favorite role or Lagom's? I ask because I don't remember either saying the beserker is their favorite and I know that Grund has, on several occassions, stated that his favorite is a normal.

Grund's favorite = normal.

[RMC]

BTW, I would also be more than happy to put Isgrimnur to the rope.

He's clearly riding under everyones radar and may very well be a critical evil game piece.

I agree.

 Isgrimnur 
 

9 days ago is a long time. So even if he is on team good, he needs to speak up. I wish I had some wonderful insight, but I don't.

 Isgrimnur 
 

[Austin]

I still think it's a bit silly to let Grund live based on his telling us it would be a bad move to lynch him.

I believe the underlying reason that most people aren't voting for him isn't really because of the totally mild claim to a role - more of a 'Keep him around until Day 3' mentality.

It's pretty easy to claim vague specialness in this game when there is a good chance you can claim role X without a counter claim

Your statement doesn't make sense.
It's certainly easy to make a vague claim of specialness (Lagom's is the much better example of that) - but I don't know how that butts up against the condition of "when there is a good chance you can claim role X without a counter claim".

Yeah. I meant better chance. Like if we know there is a seer and a hunter than you know that you will be counter claimed (if still alive). In this game there is a chance the seer never existed.

[Austin]

Austin, although I believe LL may be a bad guy, it is way too early to put him to the test again. The fact that you want to is leading me to believe that:

1. Either you have some information the rest of us doesn't
2. That you are evil and would love to have us lynch a good hero
3. Truly believe he is bad and the consequences be damned if you are wrong

4. There are more options.

You weren't on my radar before, but now...

Oh Noes?

[bb2112]

I've been wondering the same thing about Isgrimnur. Silents hurt us in the long run. Issy is a good player, but at the same time, he is a crapshoot in the end game because there is never enough infomation on him. I'm willing to see where this leads...

 Isgrimnur 
 


Although, I could also be talked into testing Austin. His LL vote is still bugging me.

[Remus West]

bb2112, is there anyone (other than me) you'd be willing to say is not a good player?

[bb2112]

bb2112, is there anyone (other than me) you'd be willing to say is not a good player?

Nope. However, there are people that have made some bad plays, and I have pointed those out on several occasions. The last was NC provoking the lynch vote on day 1 in this game. I've even conceeded that you are a good player and have decided that butting heads with you equals suicide. But I think Issy gets a little legitamacy with his win in the WW tourney, don't you think?

[Remus West]

I was more commenting about your habit of adding "is a good player" to every comment about others in the game. Wondering how much butter you are throwing on there.

[bb2112]

I was more commenting about your habit of adding "is a good player" to every comment about others in the game. Wondering how much butter you are throwing on there.

I think I have only commented on Unagi and Issy this game. Do you dispute either claim?

[Austin]

I was more commenting about your habit of adding "is a good player" to every comment about others in the game. Wondering how much butter you are throwing on there.

I think I have only commented on Unagi and Issy this game. Do you dispute either claim?

Unagi sucks!

[Remus West]

I was more commenting about your habit of adding "is a good player" to every comment about others in the game. Wondering how much butter you are throwing on there.

I think I have only commented on Unagi and Issy this game. Do you dispute either claim?

No, and I know you are a nice enough guy that you would likely do that in person too but it just reads as though you are trying to toss a compliment their way to get on their good side. Although I could just be reading it that way because I'm an asshole and am more likely to try to ruffle their feathers to get on their bad side so I can point out how wrong they are.

[coopasonic]

bb, you can say I am a terrible player so he'll leave you alone. I can take it, mostly because it is true. The tron game played to my strength, everything since then has had me dazed and confused. The things the regulars pick up on and go after boggles my mind... and of course everyone is a regular these days.

[El Guapo]

You know who's a terrible player? Chaosraven. He pops into this thread, but he doesn't lift a finger trying to identify the villains.

[bb2112]

Unofficial Vote Count:

I believe this is correct. I wanted to see where we were. If it isn't, then let me know I will adjust.


Votes:
1) bb2112 ------------ Isgrimnur
2) Isgrimnur
3) coopasonic
4) NC/Trig ----------- Isgrimnur
5) El Guapo
6) Remus West
8) tru1cy ------------- Unagi
9) theohall
10) purge
11) Lagom Lite ----- bb2112
12) Lassr ------------ Isgrimnur
13) Mr Bubbles
14) Grundbegriff
15) Austin ----------- Lagom Lite
16) RMC ------------- Isgrimnur
17) Unagi ----------- Remus West

Vote Totals:
Isgrimnur - (4) Triggercut, Lassr, RMC, bb2112
Lagom Lite - (1) Austin
bb2112 - (1) Lagom Lite
Unagi - (1) Tru1cy
Remus West (1) Unagi

Dumpster:
7) Qantaga

[Remus West]

The point is not whether anyone is actually a good player or not. The point is why include the comment at all? Particularly in the case where you believe everyone to be good.

[coopasonic]

The point is not whether anyone is actually a good player or not. The point is why include the comment at all? Particularly in the case where you believe everyone to be good.

The only relevant question is if it makes bb evil. Is sucking up evil? He includes the comment because he is (or is taking on the role of) a nice guy. You really are willing to argue about anything.

[bb2112]

The point is not whether anyone is actually a good player or not. The point is why include the comment at all? Particularly in the case where you believe everyone to be good.

This is boring me. There are a lot of good players in this game. If you object to me pointing out that they are good players, then go ahead. If you think I'm trying to butter them up to fly under the radar, so what, that is your opinion. If that is enough for you to think I'm evil, then vote for me.