Octopus Overlords

by **GreenGoo** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:42 pm

Even though I've been in the stats page more than once, I somehow missed that.

Thanks much!

by **GreenGoo** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:13 pm

semaj, does your company have a typo? Looks like it's Nanyboy Inc.

by **Rumpy** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:07 pm

Man, just making 5000 bottles of white vinegar needed for the ketchup is taking ages. Almost all day, in fact. Expect the ketchup in small batches as it's very time-consuming to make. I expect to have some available by tonight.

by **Kraken** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:45 am

Getting into the pie business took some doing, too. Flour, milk, eggs, sugar, pastry dough, fruit...then pie.

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:46 am

I have been cleared to sell JOI Wholesale products on the b2b market.

Enjoy all the ag that would normally be sold by JOI supermarkets.

by **stessier** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:00 am

I'm putting my Level 999 Silk (Qty 1) on sale at noon Central for $1,000,000. Think that is fair since I won't be able to use it for a very long time and thought someone here might want first crack at it.

by **stessier** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:51 am

Progressing slowly, but steadily...

Spoiler:

...I think.

I guess I need a lesson in reading a Balance Sheet.

I'm a little concerned that my EBT are negative, but I shouldn't be, right? Because my research and construction count as spending and, assuming I am spending it on stuff that makes more sales, it's a good thing?
Also, should I be comparing my "B2B+Store Sales" to "Salaries+Maintenance+Production"? That should give me my profit, right?
And does anyone know what the two MISC categories contain? The tables have all the spending and income I can think of.

by **stessier** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:13 am

Don't know if you guys read the EOS forums, but here is a thread that talks about the Salary calculation.

And according to this, Maintenance = 2% of building cost. Zoinks!

And here's the discussion on what happens when you cancel a production order.

by **stessier** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:35 am

If anyone has the ability to make some Paper Cartons for my Orange Juice at a reasonable price, I'm in the market for purchasing some.

by **noxiousdog** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:24 am

Mortis, you need to CEO better. SI is underperforming! Where's your guidance for analysts?!!

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:59 am

Rumpy wrote:Man, just making 5000 bottles of white vinegar needed for the ketchup is taking ages. Almost all day, in fact. Expect the ketchup in small batches as it's very time-consuming to make. I expect to have some available by tonight.

Yeah, that's what expansion is for. Rape them for ketsup and it will still get bought. I bet at $70 a bottle with q0 it will still sell quick in quantities of up to 10,000 or maybe more. Not sure how the big guys do it.

Edit:

NM I have no idea what this will do to the market

Rip wrote:I have been cleared to sell JOI Wholesale products on the b2b market.

Enjoy all the ag that would normally be sold by JOI supermarkets.

stessier wrote:Don't know if you guys read the EOS forums, but here is a thread that talks about the Salary calculation.

And according to this, Maintenance = 2% of building cost. Zoinks!

And here's the discussion on what happens when you cancel a production order.

I hope he gives a warning before making changes. The canceling production gave not indicators of penalties so SOP for me to do 24 hours worth of production and canceling after 12 or less. I use the 24 hour window just in case I can't get back to me my machine and then I reset production then next time I come back, which may be in 3 hours or 12. I'll have to rethink the whole thing and do committed longer production runs if there's going to be 10% penalty involved. That's huge.

noxiousdog wrote:Mortis, you need to CEO better. SI is underperforming! Where's your guidance for analysts?!!

I'm open to suggestions. I could keep smaller inventories and rotate faster but I'm playing casually so I don't want watching the game all day. I won't be offended if you jump ship.

The current plan is to grow my supermarket by 50m2 per day and readjust pricing accordingly until I 1st build my inventory and then 2nd beef up my production which is sorely lacking. I am relying on b2b for almost 100% of my sales now. Once my production is 2 to 3 times what it is now, I'll worry about a huge sales expansion, rinse, repeat.

by **noxiousdog** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:40 am

LordMortis wrote:
I'm open to suggestions. I could keep smaller inventories and rotate faster but I'm playing casually so I don't want watching the game all day. I won't be offended if you jump ship.

The current plan is to grow my supermarket by 50m2 per day and readjust pricing accordingly until I 1st build my inventory and then 2nd beef up my production which is sorely lacking. I am relying on b2b for almost 100% of my sales now. Once my production is 2 to 3 times what it is now, I'll worry about a huge sales expansion, rinse, repeat.

i'm just messing with you.

by **stessier** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:41 am

I'm curious - how many items do you guys sell in your stores?

I have a Farmer's Market (215m2) and Cafe (100m2). I sell 23 products in my Market and 4 in my Cafe - all self made.

Spoiler:

Even with 4 products, my Cafe manages to be profitable selling around $200k/day. I'm thinking of selling it, though, and making more products for the Farmer's Market. I think it makes more sense to fill it full before branching into another building due to the maintenance and salary costs. And my research won't be wasted as I can still sell the other 4 items on the B2B - although probably not at the mark up I was getting.

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:44 am

stessier wrote:I'm curious - how many items do you guys sell in your stores?

I have a Farmer's Market (215m2) and Cafe (100m2). I sell 23 products in my Market and 4 in my Cafe - all self made.

Spoiler:
Market
Almonds
Apples
Banana
Barley
Blueberry
Broccoli
Candy Cane
Carrot
Cherry
Chicken
Chicken Drumstick
Chicken Wing
Coconut
Common Bean
Grape
Lemon
Lime
Mango
Orange
Pig
Pineapple
Stawberry
Tomato
Vanilla Beans
Watermelon
Ground Pork

Cafe
Candy
Orange Gelatin
Pineapple Gelatin
Orange Juice

Even with 4 products, my Cafe manages to be profitable selling around $200k/day. I'm thinking of selling it, though, and making more products for the Farmer's Market. I think it makes more sense to fill it full before branching into another building due to the maintenance and salary costs. And my research won't be wasted as I can still sell the other 4 items on the B2B - although probably not at the mark up I was getting.

I attempt to sell all items in my farmers market and supermarket. I make what I can. I only sell basic silver stuff at my jeweler.

by **noxiousdog** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:59 am

LordMortis wrote:I attempt to sell all items in my farmers market and supermarket. I make what I can. I only sell basic silver stuff at my jeweler.

Me too. There's even some good synergy. I'm getting to a point where I have to find things to spend money on. Not that the list is short, but I'm not running out of money for goods any more so I can take a few smaller margin items.

by **EzeKieL** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:05 am

I also sell all items possible.

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:07 am

noxiousdog wrote:
LordMortis wrote:I attempt to sell all items in my farmers market and supermarket. I make what I can. I only sell basic silver stuff at my jeweler.

Me too. There's even some good synergy. I'm getting to a point where I have to find things to spend money on. Not that the list is short, but I'm not running out of money for goods any more so I can take a few smaller margin items.

I pretty much always spend my money. :oops:

But I try to maintain inventory of 1000 to 1 on clicks versus sales, which is to say that I keep about 10 days inventory on everything. This worked out well for me when I didn't play for about three days.

The good news about keeping 10 days inventory is that as I grow my market it can handle the run on sales while I re balance. Like I said I could keep a smaller inventory but working toward a large inventory keeps me in things like selling $500 bottles of ketsup for six or seven or more days when I can't find them on the market... And I get to play casual... which actually is an effort for me because I play things like this compulsively.

Edit:

And thank you so much ND for suggesting using mutiple tabs for management. The game is so much easier, especially when stuff doesn't have a "back button" for when you are shopping and find out stuff isn't on the market.

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:43 am

Stessier the balance sheet looks fine.

You have to look at what you spend on construction and realize if you weren't expanding you would be in the black.

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:49 am

stessier wrote:Even with 4 products, my Cafe manages to be profitable selling around $200k/day. I'm thinking of selling it, though, and making more products for the Farmer's Market. I think it makes more sense to fill it full before branching into another building due to the maintenance and salary costs. And my research won't be wasted as I can still sell the other 4 items on the B2B - although probably not at the mark up I was getting.

I wouldn't sell it. I might de-empasize it. I barely work with my farmer's market because grow stuff and the supermarket is much more conducive to growing stuff. I plan to grow slowly into beverages and baked goods. Well, I planned to do it quickly but that didn't work...

OTOH, I think it's important to turn around what you have. Look for small amounts of cafe stuff on the cheap, set the prices super high on them, and let them take their time going out the door. 100m2 on a cafe should get you fairly obscene pricing on stuff if you price it to sell at one per tick at one per tick you buy 700 of a good and forget about it for a week.

by **Matrix** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:52 am

I have only farmers markets , i have 2 700m2 each and i have 4 more 672m2 being built. Up to yesterday i tried to keep 12 hour inventory , but now i am going for 1 - 2 day inventories since game was taking up to much time. I sell everything i can get my hands on even if i have to pay heavy mark up, since usually i can sell it for more in my stores due to high marketing power of stores. My sales hit 51mil yesterday . 38mil from stores and 12mil from b2b.

Store Sales $38.2 M $28.0 M $14.2 M $13.0 M $8.70 M $5.86 M $5.30 M
B2B Sales $13.1 M $13.7 M $9.98 M $4.22 M $1.23 M $1.66 M $900 k
Construction $24.2 M $18.7 M $17.8 M $6.40 M $7.60 M $3.81 M $39.7 M
My large animal farm is about to be completed. 2000m2 should fun to see what it can do.
My company evaluation still shows 82 mil , since i spending heavily into construction every turn, even though my sales growing at about 25% daily

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:58 am

Heh

Code: Select all: Earnings Before Tax $-767 k $-18.3 M $-454 k $-601 k $-4.04 M $5.03 M $531 k

by **stessier** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:20 am

I really love some of the company names people come up with. Friendly Bioweapons, Inc. just bought a bunch of the candy I put on the B2B and Oy Vey Kosher Meats is big into pork. :lol:

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:22 am

stessier wrote:I really love some of the company names people come up with. Friendly Bioweapons, Inc. just bought a bunch of the candy I put on the B2B and Oy Vey Kosher Meats is big into pork.

How do you tell how you bought from? All I ever see is the amount available and how much it costs.

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:29 am

LordMortis wrote:
stessier wrote:I really love some of the company names people come up with. Friendly Bioweapons, Inc. just bought a bunch of the candy I put on the B2B and Oy Vey Kosher Meats is big into pork.

How do you tell how you bought from? All I ever see is the amount available and how much it costs.

b2b -> sales history

by **stessier** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:35 am

There's also B2B -> Purchase History if you want to know who you bought from.

And in any of the B2B lists, click on the name of a product and it will bring up a list of just that product with the name of the companies selling it and prices/quantities.

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:36 am

Rip wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
stessier wrote:I really love some of the company names people come up with. Friendly Bioweapons, Inc. just bought a bunch of the candy I put on the B2B and Oy Vey Kosher Meats is big into pork.

How do you tell how you bought from? All I ever see is the amount available and how much it costs.

b2b -> sales history

Snifty. Das Froot must love me. I buy a shitton of his baked goods. One day I will begin to produce enough of my own. One day.

by **Matrix** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:38 am

just bought 5mil worth of quality 32 water, i know the gravy wont last long.

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:44 am

Matrix wrote:just bought 5mil worth of quality 32 water, i know the gravy wont last long.

Makes me giggle how much the somethingawful people are bitching. MOIST stock is in the shitter. :twisted:

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:46 am

Rip wrote:
Matrix wrote:just bought 5mil worth of quality 32 water, i know the gravy wont last long.

Makes me giggle how much the somethingawful people are bitching. MOIST stock is in the shitter.

I don't understand is this a forum thing?

by **GreenGoo** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:08 pm

I've been forced to become a reseller. I just don't have the production capabilities to generate the revenue I need to grow as quickly as I'd like, so i'm reselling. On the plus side, it's fairly easy. On the negative side, it's time consuming.

One mistake I've made as a newbie is focusing on high margin items. There's nothing wrong with this normally, but I just don't have the flow through to accomodate low value high margin items in volume. So while each dollar is generating good returns, it's taking too long to generate sizeable numbers.

I will keep an eye out for items with high value, even if the margins are lower. If I can generate more cash with less sales, even with lower margins, I'll be happy for now.

I need cash. Trying to sell 100 grand of an item for a 1 dollar/unit profit works on the b2b, but my stores just can't handle that.

Maybe I should try reselling space ships. I hear the commissions are excellent. Of course I need to come up with my first billion to be able to afford one, but that's all math for the accountants.

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:25 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Rip wrote:
Matrix wrote:just bought 5mil worth of quality 32 water, i know the gravy wont last long.

Makes me giggle how much the somethingawful people are bitching. MOIST stock is in the shitter.

I don't understand is this a forum thing?

Yea, it goes to part two of my story that I will hopefully write the other half of tonight.

The goons or a group of them anyway decided that jackosbournelookalike who owns JOI was a douche and decided to launch an op against him. First they started IPPing companies, waiting till he bought a bunch, then gut them spend everything and dump stock, leaving him with the bag. My problem with that is they screwed over other innocent investors like me on the way.

The bigger problem was that they had someone suck up to him get him to let this guy CEO JOI Investments where I was CEO. I graciously relinquished although I didn't care for what I had seen of the guy. I was running eight companies and didn't want to seem like a kiss up douchebag myself.

Anyway the guy waited till no one was around and started destroying building and buying the most expensive crap he could find with the like 5 bill in cash. While giving the guy that power was VERY unwise, backstabbing a guy when he is obviously trying to help new players and change the perception that he is trying to take over everything was in short asinine.

Anyway good thing is as a result we get fully customizable jobs now so I am at least stoked for that.

Rip

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:33 pm

BTW point was the goons have created a bunch of companies with the money they stole and in the vacuum they hoped they had created. Reality is they created no vacuum and motivated a powerful enemy.

Myself I have no enemies, only friends. I even am pretty close to one of the most wealthy goons who is one of the wealthier players and happens to be a bubblehead like me.

But I run companies that I CEO of the way I am directed by the Chairman.

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:44 pm

I'm thinking about doing the IPO at 10PM CST Friday which would be 8PM game server time. Is there anybody that wanted to get an early buy in that will have a problem making that?

Rip

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:49 pm

I have no money and the money I do get I use to buy stocks in my own company. :oops:

I probably should have played the stock market rather than sinking all that free money into my own company but such is life. One day I will collect enough charity money to invest in other people's companies.

by **Vorret** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:51 pm

I uppgraded my cie as well but I'm making a crapload of money from all my meat.

Odd thing is your stock is higher than mine still

I need tortilla
40k of them to be exact.

I want the xp the quest will provide, let me know if you can produce it, name a price and I'll buy it.

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:57 pm

LordMortis wrote:I have no money and the money I do get I use to buy stocks in my own company. I probably should have played the stock market rather than sinking all that free money into my own company but such is life. One day I will collect enough charity money to invest in other people's companies.

Don't buy stocks in your own company.

You have enough eggs in that basket.

Save enough or sell a few of the stock you have in your company to get in An OO Company early when it is still under $2 you can sell it at $4 and up before rollover easy.

by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:57 pm

Vorret wrote:I want the xp the quest will provide, let me know if you can produce it, name a price and I'll buy it.

I wish I could. I can't even provide tortillas for my own market that I would turn around and sell at about $250 apiece. I just don't have any production power at all. While I've learned that I need it, I'm too thin trying to stock my stores to build it. Right now I'm luck to crank out 2000 apple pies every couple of days which go straight to my own shelves.

Kraken probably has a better bakery than I do.

Rip wrote:You have enough eggs in that basket.

But it's my comfort basket.

by **Matrix** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:58 pm

Hmm, i think i will be ipoing today, i just realized that my main constructions more or less complete and other constructions will take another 4 days or so. While sales probably wont grow for that period, which means for 4 days i will be sitting on same stats, and i will be microing less until new expansions come in (which means if i ipo today my stats will look like rockstar, and if i IPo in 4 days my stats will look meh obviously affecting stock price) . Ok, heads up everyone, i will Ipo today at 3pmEST aka in 3 hours. I will try to get Ticker FOOD , will see if i will.

Note: LM, my company needed quick money for expansion so had to sell some of your stock, will be back in it shortly.

Was pulling money out of stock market and into a company, then reappraising it. Its at 126 mil right now. IPO in an 1 hour and 45 minutes.

by **Rip** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:00 pm

Now is your chance Mort. Keep watching for it buy in and let me know. I will buy a crap load of course upping your value substantially. I will post on here with a five minute warning before I buy.

Rip

by **Rumpy** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:44 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Rumpy wrote:Man, just making 5000 bottles of white vinegar needed for the ketchup is taking ages. Almost all day, in fact. Expect the ketchup in small batches as it's very time-consuming to make. I expect to have some available by tonight.

Yeah, that's what expansion is for. Rape them for ketsup and it will still get bought. I bet at $70 a bottle with q0 it will still sell quick in quantities of up to 10,000 or maybe more. Not sure how the big guys do it.

Yeah, I've considered it. I'm currently making a batch of 10000 bottles of ketchup, but it's taking a very long time just to get it to market all the while I'm not making profit on anything. I think what I'll do is split the batch, sell one half to whoever wants it here, and the other I'll sell at a high market. I can't see myself producing it very often since it's so expensive and time consuming to produce. I'll likely sell something that takes less steps to make like white vinegar to help recoup the costs before I venture into ketchup again.

	....Apr 9-10....	....Apr 8-9....	....Apr 7-8....	....Apr 6-7....	....Apr 5-6....	....Apr 4-5....	....Apr 3-4....
Networth	18.1M	15.6M	14.2M	13.0M	11.9M	10.5	2.45
Total Earnings	2.62M	1.93M	2.53M	1.26M	2.16M	8.43M	1.09M
Store Sales	2.50M	1.68M	1.39M	940k	360k	10.9k	1.39k
B2B	106k	140k	139k	144k	307k	265k	39.8
Export	0.00	0.00	0.00	122k	0.00	0.00	0.00
Misc	15.6k	109k	1.00M	58.4k	1.49M	8.15M	1.05M

	....Apr 9-10....	....Apr 8-9....	....Apr 7-8....	....Apr 6-7....	....Apr 5-6....	....Apr 4-5....	....Apr 3-4....
Total Spending	2.85M	1.96M	2.96M	970k	5.08M	7.37M	1.22M
Salaries	204k	184k	3.61k	52.1k	49.8k	0.00	0.00
Maintenance	330k	302k	288k	131k	126k	0.00	0.00
Production	543k	467k	304k	136k	239k	29.1k	34.2k
Construction	1.40M	700k	1.93M	510k	3.40M	7.05M	1.15M
Research	258k	139k	76.9k	76.1k	71.1k	36.2k	24.9k
B2B	0.00	151k	333k	60.0k	953k	160k	14.3k
Import	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00
Loan	22.8k	22.2k	21.0k	4.21k	46.3k	0.00	0.00
Misc	634k	487k	292k	183k	372k	100k	0.00

	....Apr 9-10....	....Apr 8-9....	....Apr 7-8....	....Apr 6-7....	....Apr 5-6....	....Apr 4-5....	....Apr 3-4....
Executive Pay	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00
Earnings Before Tax	-238k	-32.4k	-430k	295k	-2.92M	1.05M	-128k
Tax	0.00	0.00	0.00	44.2k	0.00	158k	0.00
Net Earnings	-238k	-32.4k	-430k	250k	-2.92M	900k	-128k
Dividend	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00
Retained Earnings	-238k	-32.4k	-430k	250k	-2.92M	900k	-128k

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