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[Matrix]

Man, just making 5000 bottles of white vinegar needed for the ketchup is taking ages. Almost all day, in fact. Expect the ketchup in small batches as it's very time-consuming to make. I expect to have some available by tonight.

Yeah, that's what expansion is for. Rape them for ketsup and it will still get bought. I bet at $70 a bottle with q0 it will still sell quick in quantities of up to 10,000 or maybe more. Not sure how the big guys do it.

Yeah, I've considered it. I'm currently making a batch of 10000 bottles of ketchup, but it's taking a very long time just to get it to market all the while I'm not making profit on anything. I think what I'll do is split the batch, sell one half to whoever wants it here, and the other I'll sell at a high market. I can't see myself producing it very often since it's so expensive and time consuming to produce. I'll likely sell something that takes less steps to make like white vinegar to help recoup the costs before I venture into ketchup again.

As mid guy (not big yet) its simple, if buy ketchup at 70 and can sell it at 100-120 and probably run out through 10000 bottles in 24 hours. Yet, if i dont run anything in that spot, i am losing 30-50 a pop, hence the obscenely high prices and still get sold immediately, because not enough people making it yet. Vice versa, fruit is dirt cheap mainly because so many people making it. I cant imagine anyone trying to make it in fruit business, (gl GG) i see a list of 20 strawberries with almost no differentiators, and think boy, thats a tough business.

[LordMortis]

Man, just making 5000 bottles of white vinegar needed for the ketchup is taking ages. Almost all day, in fact. Expect the ketchup in small batches as it's very time-consuming to make. I expect to have some available by tonight.

Yeah, that's what expansion is for. Rape them for ketsup and it will still get bought. I bet at $70 a bottle with q0 it will still sell quick in quantities of up to 10,000 or maybe more. Not sure how the big guys do it.

Yeah, I've considered it. I'm currently making a batch of 10000 bottles of ketchup, but it's taking a very long time just to get it to market all the while I'm not making profit on anything. I think what I'll do is split the batch, sell one half to whoever wants it here, and the other I'll sell at a high market. I can't see myself producing it very often since it's so expensive and time consuming to produce. I'll likely sell something that takes less steps to make like white vinegar to help recoup the costs before I venture into ketchup again.

As mid guy (not big yet) its simple, if buy ketchup at 70 and can sell it at 100-120 and probably run out through 10000 bottles in 24 hours. Yet, if i dont run anything in that spot, i am losing 30-50 a pop, hence the obscenely high prices and still get sold immediately, because not enough people making it yet. Vice versa, fruit is dirt cheap mainly because so many people making it. I cant imagine anyone trying to make it in fruit business, (gl GG) i see a list of 20 strawberries with almost no differentiators, and think boy, thats a tough business.

That's where I'm at. I'm not even a big guy and if I saw ketsup for $70 a bottle, I'd snatch as much as I could up to 10,000. That's why I suggested it at that rate. Of course, it's not like I have 700,000 laying around so I'd just buy everything I could and keep an eye out for it until it's gone.

[stessier]

I cant imagine anyone trying to make it in fruit business, (gl GG) i see a list of 20 strawberries with almost no differentiators, and think boy, thats a tough business.

Big batches are the key. As I mentioned, I can get a 56 hour supply of Oranges in 8 hours of production that sell for 5x or more what it cost to make in my Farmer's Market. It's a slower flip than selling on B2B, but still profitable just selling in a store.

[noxiousdog]

Hmm, i think i will be ipoing today, i just realized that my main constructions more or less complete and other constructions will take another 4 days or so. While sales probably wont grow for that period, which means for 4 days i will be sitting on same stats, and i will be microing less until new expansions come in (which means if i ipo today my stats will look like rockstar, and if i IPo in 4 days my stats will look meh obviously affecting stock price) . Ok, heads up everyone, i will Ipo today at 3pmEST aka in 3 hours. I will try to get Ticker FOOD , will see if i will.

Note: LM, my company needed quick money for expansion so had to sell some of your stock, will be back in it shortly.

Was pulling money out of stock market and into a company, then reappraising it. Its at 126 mil right now. IPO in an 1 hour and 45 minutes.

Still on for 3pm?

[LordMortis]

Not really concerned about the price of my company. It will rise or fall on its own but that's a nice move on our part dumping money in for appraisal (and then presumably pulling it back out). I don't know if it's an exploit or not but it is business sleazy.

"look at the books!"

Yoink!

[Matrix]

I cant imagine anyone trying to make it in fruit business, (gl GG) i see a list of 20 strawberries with almost no differentiators, and think boy, thats a tough business.

Big batches are the key. As I mentioned, I can get a 56 hour supply of Oranges in 8 hours of production that sell for 5x or more what it cost to make in my Farmer's Market. It's a slower flip than selling on B2B, but still profitable just selling in a store.

Yes, but its just part of the picture. I can buy orange for 89 cents on the market and sell for x5, there for my opportunity cost to produce something else that is not as common is much greater. Its not about batches, its more about buying the most common items that will be cheapest and producing rare and more expensive ones. Therefore you really only making 30-40cents on each , unless you have nothing better to produce, which would mean it saturated market. One of the reasons i got into meat and plantations because both are often rare on B2B and high demand.

[Matrix]

Still on for 3.

[Rumpy]

Man, just making 5000 bottles of white vinegar needed for the ketchup is taking ages. Almost all day, in fact. Expect the ketchup in small batches as it's very time-consuming to make. I expect to have some available by tonight.

Yeah, that's what expansion is for. Rape them for ketsup and it will still get bought. I bet at $70 a bottle with q0 it will still sell quick in quantities of up to 10,000 or maybe more. Not sure how the big guys do it.

Yeah, I've considered it. I'm currently making a batch of 10000 bottles of ketchup, but it's taking a very long time just to get it to market all the while I'm not making profit on anything. I think what I'll do is split the batch, sell one half to whoever wants it here, and the other I'll sell at a high market. I can't see myself producing it very often since it's so expensive and time consuming to produce. I'll likely sell something that takes less steps to make like white vinegar to help recoup the costs before I venture into ketchup again.

As mid guy (not big yet) its simple, if buy ketchup at 70 and can sell it at 100-120 and probably run out through 10000 bottles in 24 hours. Yet, if i dont run anything in that spot, i am losing 30-50 a pop, hence the obscenely high prices and still get sold immediately, because not enough people making it yet. Vice versa, fruit is dirt cheap mainly because so many people making it. I cant imagine anyone trying to make it in fruit business, (gl GG) i see a list of 20 strawberries with almost no differentiators, and think boy, thats a tough business.

That's where I'm at. I'm not even a big guy and if I saw ketsup for $70 a bottle, I'd snatch as much as I could up to 10,000. That's why I suggested it at that rate. Of course, it's not like I have 700,000 laying around so I'd just buy everything I could and keep an eye out for it until it's gone.

Thanks for the tip, guys. I was just trying to be sensitive and not screw you guys over But a guy's gotta make money! Looks like I've got a plan.

[noxiousdog]

Thanks for the tip, guys. I was just trying to be sensitive and not screw you guys over But a guy's gotta make money! Looks like I've got a plan.

You're not screwing anyone over. They don't have to buy your ketchup, they are only buying it if they can turn a profit with it. There's no reason why they should be more entitled than you.

[LordMortis]

Thanks for the tip, guys. I was just trying to be sensitive and not screw you guys over But a guy's gotta make money! Looks like I've got a plan.

You're not screwing anyone over. They don't have to buy your ketchup, they are only buying it if they can turn a profit with it. There's no reason why they should be more entitled than you.

Honestly, I was being greedy with my attitude. $70 is a good price price point for me. More than that and I couldn't justify the price. For every bit less than that I can only assume it will disappear even faster than I can get my hands on it. I figure my store is smaller than many privately held companies so if I'm willing to pay $70 a bottle then others are going to be willing to pay more and at larger quantities therefore it won't last. Of course I don't really sell much on the b2b and I could be way off mark. I do know that I've seen ketsup available exactly once. It was $30 a bottle for q0 and I bought all 1000 bottles.

I've yet to see Mayo, a ham sandwich, or Lemon pie on the market.

[Matrix]

stock is out

[LordMortis]

Nicely done.

[Rip]

Just bought 2 million shares.

[Matrix]

Just bought 2 million shares.

Sweet !



I actually was able to get FOOD as stock symbol, very surprised it was not taken.

Sotto Voce
this guy is clearly milking the stock, he bought 5mil and selling it every few min or so. Smart guy. I am pretty sure he does it with all the new stocks.

[GreenGoo]

Thanks for the tip, guys. I was just trying to be sensitive and not screw you guys over But a guy's gotta make money! Looks like I've got a plan.

You're not screwing anyone over. They don't have to buy your ketchup, they are only buying it if they can turn a profit with it. There's no reason why they should be more entitled than you.

Is a man not entitled to the sweat on his brow?

[GreenGoo]

Just bought 2 million shares.

Gah. You drive it up before us little guys can get in.

What was your IPO price Matrix? edit: Never mind, I see it was a buck.

Edit2: Where do IPO's get announced? Or do they?

[LordMortis]

I'm thinking I may need to sell my jewelry factory in favor of starting a food processor. What a waste of silver research.

[Rumpy]

I do know that I've seen ketsup available exactly once. It was $30 a bottle for q0 and I bought all 1000 bottles.

Yeah, there are some on the market now, so the market is just starting to open up on them, but it still looks quite lucrative.

[LordMortis]

Ugh. No cash.

[Matrix]

I do know that I've seen ketsup available exactly once. It was $30 a bottle for q0 and I bought all 1000 bottles.

Yeah, there are some on the market now, so the market is just starting to open up on them, but it still looks quite lucrative.

What was on the market ?


Right now IPOs are not announced, only when person tells you that there will be an IPO.

LM i am back in your stock

[Rumpy]

I do know that I've seen ketsup available exactly once. It was $30 a bottle for q0 and I bought all 1000 bottles.

Yeah, there are some on the market now, so the market is just starting to open up on them, but it still looks quite lucrative.

What was on the market ?

Ketchup. I've noticed some is currently on the market, unless it's already gone. Edit: Checked and it is gone. Gone quick.

[Matrix]

I do know that I've seen ketsup available exactly once. It was $30 a bottle for q0 and I bought all 1000 bottles.

Yeah, there are some on the market now, so the market is just starting to open up on them, but it still looks quite lucrative.

What was on the market ?

Ketchup. I've noticed some is currently on the market, unless it's already gone. Edit: Checked and it is gone. Gone quick.

i joked with my ninja mask, i actually bought that whole thing.

[EzeKieL]

I'm preparing for a major factory expansion.

In an hour or two I'm going to loan another 4mil and expand most of them because I can't keep up with my storesales ^^.

This'll mean a week of paying off that loan debt but it's a necessary evil.

[Rip]

Just bought 2 million shares.

Gah. You drive it up before us little guys can get in.

What was your IPO price Matrix? edit: Never mind, I see it was a buck.

Edit2: Where do IPO's get announced? Or do they?

Nope it was driven up before I got there. I paid $4 a share.

[Matrix]

Sotto guy was one of the first. I think he just sits and waits for new stocks. I see he also owns TORW . He buys 5 mil, then sells half at around $4-5 mark. The other half he holds in case it goes even higher.

[stessier]

Wow - I hit $1M in my corporate account - and it didn't involve taking a loan, transferring money, or selling a building!! Considering at one point in the last five days I had $0.05 in my corporate account after maxing out a loan and nothing in my personal reserves, I'm impressed.

[Matrix]

ya, i really like how well this is done. Even as simplified version this simulator is very realistic and player driven. It is totally different ball game at each stage of the game, just trying to sell 3 apples, to doing hundreds , to selling thousands per tick.

Even IPO is nice to see, it shows how much money company has, yet cant really use it because it in stock and if sell stock , the stock price drops. A cat and mouse game.

[Rip]

Yea, except for two things. WAY to easy to jump an IPO and resell quickly quadrupling your money. Secondly no taxes on capital gains from stocks. I make tons more on stocks without even trying and totally tax free. The only reason I even run companies is because I enjoy managing the production cycle.

[Rumpy]

I do know that I've seen ketsup available exactly once. It was $30 a bottle for q0 and I bought all 1000 bottles.

Yeah, there are some on the market now, so the market is just starting to open up on them, but it still looks quite lucrative.

What was on the market ?

Ketchup. I've noticed some is currently on the market, unless it's already gone. Edit: Checked and it is gone. Gone quick.

i joked with my ninja mask, i actually bought that whole thing.

Haha, sorry then. I wasn't perceptive enough. I kind of figured you had though

[EzeKieL]

Tomorrow I'm going to sell off a well and my power plant. Electricity and water is way too cheap so it doesn't really make sense that I'm making my own.

Instead I'm going to add a third Petrochemical plant and a fourth Toy Factory.

After that it's:
1. paying off the new loan (4.3 mil)
2. slowly expanding my factories
3. slowly expanding stores
3. saving up to buy new land (8mil)

[Rip]

Sotto guy was one of the first. I think he just sits and waits for new stocks. I see he also owns TORW . He buys 5 mil, then sells half at around $4-5 mark. The other half he holds in case it goes even higher.

Well I bought the rest on the market just now. Curious if he will sell seeing it top out. If not it gives everyone else as high a jump point as I could muster.

[Matrix]

Yea, except for two things. WAY to easy to jump an IPO and resell quickly quadrupling your money. Secondly no taxes on capital gains from stocks. I make tons more on stocks without even trying and totally tax free. The only reason I even run companies is because I enjoy managing the production cycle.

oh absolutely, in fact not even doing much stocks at all, i make profit way easy on stocks. I think Scott needs to add ability to sell short, then crappy companies really going to get beating. I see this penny stock, black merc swimming around for days, i would have shorted it long time ago, since it had no money and no infrastructure at all, in fact i have no idea how it even made to IPO.

I personally prefer the growing business and item part, my goal is not to make most money, its to have fun, and maybe even learn something. So far it was very good in both aspects.

[GreenGoo]

I am NOT going to become the next Walmart.

1) I can handle reselling in small doses. You could spend 24 hours a day being a buyer in this game. Fuck that.
2) Guys like LM are way ahead of me anyway, so I might end up a Zeller's or something, but Walmart is right out. Costco too.
3) I want to produce and sell my own stuff. Reselling other people stuff, while easy and low investment, is tedious and unsatisfying.

After 3 days I still don't have a positive cash flow, although today the company's networth jumped 1 mil, so that's a start. I did very little infrastructure investment, trying to use my meager funds to generate funds and grow my cash pool. We'll see what the balance sheet says tomorrow. My store is stocked at about 10x what it was last night, so we'll see how the night goes.

I'm eyeballing a new industry but do not have the cash to make the switch. I'll be keeping an eye on it over the next few days to see how competitive it is.

[Matrix]

Question about after ipo, now that we cant transfer cash between company and person as pre ipo, how does company raises cash? Since on my personal account i have about 40 mil, but yet i cant transfer anymore, is companies only way to raise money is to sell products? Since i just spent 40 mil on upgrades but would like to do some more but have to wait for sales. Mind you, it brings about 400k a tick but still when R&D fill upgrade is about 13 mil, 400k just wont do.

Also how does company gets more shares? RIP this question is for you, do you know if shares grow as size of company grows? or do i need to do stock split?

[Rip]

Question about after ipo, now that we cant transfer cash between company and person as pre ipo, how does company raises cash? Since on my personal account i have about 40 mil, but yet i cant transfer anymore, is companies only way to raise money is to sell products? Since i just spent 40 mil on upgrades but would like to do some more but have to wait for sales. Mind you, it brings about 400k a tick but still when R&D fill upgrade is about 13 mil, 400k just wont do.

I would guess the other way is to issue more shares.

[Matrix]

Question about after ipo, now that we cant transfer cash between company and person as pre ipo, how does company raises cash? Since on my personal account i have about 40 mil, but yet i cant transfer anymore, is companies only way to raise money is to sell products? Since i just spent 40 mil on upgrades but would like to do some more but have to wait for sales. Mind you, it brings about 400k a tick but still when R&D fill upgrade is about 13 mil, 400k just wont do.

I would guess the other way is to issue more shares.

yah good point , costs 24.5 mil.... it might have to wait few days.

I have 4 markets being built which is about 2750 m2 and they will come online in about 3 days, once it happens. Sales will literally triple. Plus production capacity in both plantations and meat processing will triple in about 3 days once upgrades are done. This will support the new markets. what i am saying is, if you got stock in this baby, it will be a wild ride )

I decided to release some stock and add liqidity to the stock, sold some shares so there will be about 2milion shares floating around.

[Rip]

Question about after ipo, now that we cant transfer cash between company and person as pre ipo, how does company raises cash? Since on my personal account i have about 40 mil, but yet i cant transfer anymore, is companies only way to raise money is to sell products? Since i just spent 40 mil on upgrades but would like to do some more but have to wait for sales. Mind you, it brings about 400k a tick but still when R&D fill upgrade is about 13 mil, 400k just wont do.

I would guess the other way is to issue more shares.

yah good point , costs 24.5 mil.... it might have to wait few days.

I have 4 markets being built which is about 2750 m2 and they will come online in about 3 days, once it happens. Sales will literally triple. Plus production capacity in both plantations and meat processing will triple in about 3 days once upgrades are done. This will support the new markets. what i am saying is, if you got stock in this baby, it will be a wild ride )

I decided to release some stock and add liqidity to the stock, sold some shares so there will be about 2milion shares floating around.

You still have more than the standard IPO starting 80%, you could stand to sell some more if you see a price spike.

[Matrix]

Yeh thats i will likely do, but probably not until all production facilities are in place.

[Kraken]

3) I want to produce and sell my own stuff. Reselling other people stuff, while easy and low investment, is tedious and unsatisfying.

This. My daily balance sheet consistently shows a loss but I'm constantly building infrastructure and inventory, both of which will eventually give me a healthy bottom line. I only play the stock market to make money to transfer into my enterprise.

[LordMortis]

My ultimate goal is provide all my own stuff to the stores but it's slow going and there is a lot of dead floor space. That's why I buy b2b and sell in low volumes. I'd rather sell one time a tick at super expensive prices then let floor space sit empty. Eventually that stuff will pay for itself and facilitate my ability to provide more of my own stuff which is way more profitable long term than buying b2b.

OTOH, I don't really sell b2b. I sold some apple pie yesterday way cheaper than I would have liked but I did it to complete a "sell 156,000 worth of crap on b2b" quest. I figure one day I'm going to actually need all of the influence I pick up when it's convenient.

I also don't play the stock game. Until I went IPO every dime I pulled in through welfare went into my business. Now every dime I get is going into buying stock in my own company. It will be a long while until that's enough to pick up all of the outstanding shares.