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[Matrix]

Ok i solved money problem , i just bought more land at R&D and Factories 8 mil a pop, then i build on them and upgrade those buildings. That should take of 40 mil.

Oh and thanks RIP for not killing me in the pumpkins trade. I am all out now, so i am sure you going to rack up some serious sales. But damn you have a lot of pumpkins.


i am looking at stock trading, and its going up and down without anyone buying and selling?! interesting.

[Rip]

Ok i solved money problem , i just bought more land at R&D and Factories 8 mil a pop, then i build on them and upgrade those buildings. That should take of 40 mil.

Oh and thanks RIP for not killing me in the pumpkins trade. I am all out now, so i am sure you going to rack up some serious sales. But damn you have a lot of pumpkins.


i am looking at stock trading, and its going up and down without anyone buying and selling?! interesting.

[GreenGoo]

In the black again today, but just barely. I tried to keep costs down while doing a lot of reselling, trying to build a nest egg of cash. I'm disappointed with my performance. I was hoping for better, and that there might be a chance at 10x what I made. How wrong I was.

Things are getting MUCH more competitive on the B2B. Margins on the easy low cost items are starting to slip big time. It's getting much harder to move good sized lots of Fruits, Vegetables and Crops, for example.

A price war is exactly what everyone should be trying to avoid, but I think it's inevitable. I've already seen the first signs of it on some products. Plus there are people who don't take their own quality into account and just low ball the entire market with whatever quality they have. That's good for resellers, but it sells everyone else short, including the low baller. I guess they just want to move product though. Or maybe bankrupt the rest of us who didn't get millions of start up capital from the designer.

[Matrix]

Stocks gone mad. Everything is down across the board. There must have been big change in logorithms

[LordMortis]

Resellers need to take into account the import market. Either that or they're trying to sucker people don't check the importers.

BTW, while I see no news about it, it looks like there is a massive realignment of valuation on the stock exchange going on. the GUMMI example I was pointing to that was at $480 and raising every day at an accelerating growth despite the owner being in active, and the company broke, and losing money to debt (and still paying dividends), fell to $116 and is still dropping.

This also had effect of a 50% decrease in SI. Such is life.

Edit: What Matrix said.

[GreenGoo]

Resellers need to take into account the import market. Either that or they're trying to sucker people don't check the importers.

it's funny, I was checking the importers for the first 2 days then stopped for some reason.

Also, I have export revenue. How/why/where did that come from?

[Matrix]

My sales on b2b dropped big time after the stock drop. but hey, its now number 2 growing stock..... still under 5$

[stessier]

On the plus side my company's Networth went from 20.7M -> 24.9M yesterday...a 20% increase. Hard work pays off (and many thanks to Arthur Anderson agreeing to be my accountant)!! On the downside, work has gone nuts and I haven't been able to do my rebalance every 8 hours. My store is running out of items and I misread my spreadsheet so it will be refilling with the wrong stuff. Hopefully I can get things back under control tonight or tomorrow morning.

Store sales seem unaffected by the other changes people are noticing. Demand remains pretty constant and I can still get 5-10x cost by pricing 8 hours of production to last 48 of selling.

I've also finally started to repay my loan. It looks like I can't transfer money to my private coffers until it is paid off. That is really the only reason to pay it off. The interest is around 0.5 ticks/day right now and there is no maturation date. I think it would be fun if there was like a 2-3 week pay off date so you had to worry about it or refinancing.

[stessier]

Also, I have export revenue. How/why/where did that come from?

Importers will buy stuff if it is too cheap. They were doing it with Petroleum priced at or below $80 for a while there. (It has since been changed to less than $40 I believe.)

[stessier]

If anyone can make Cola Concentrate, I just got a quest to collect 10,416 of them. Nothing on the market right now, so you should be able to gouge me a bit. A bit, only, please. (I get $46,872 from the quest and you're welcome to at least that much.)

[LordMortis]

mmmmm busted. My boss walked up behind me to get addresses associated with various DUNS number location associations while trying to do my morning rebalance.

[GreenGoo]

mmmmm busted. My boss walked up behind me to get addresses associated with various DUNS number location associations while trying to do my morning rebalance.

Lol.

My boss is off today. that being said, I'm still busy busy, so chances are it will be sporadic capitalism at best.

[stessier]

If anyone can make Cola Concentrate, I just got a quest to collect 10,416 of them. Nothing on the market right now, so you should be able to gouge me a bit. A bit, only, please. (I get $46,872 from the quest and you're welcome to at least that much.)

Alternatively, just provide me with the caffeine. I have 4600 already and I have a beverage factory to do the rest.

[LordMortis]

Some had peanut butter for sale! 2,500 at $22.00 a piece. How was that there when I wandered by? Score!

[LordMortis]

If anyone can make Cola Concentrate, I just got a quest to collect 10,416 of them. Nothing on the market right now, so you should be able to gouge me a bit. A bit, only, please. (I get $46,872 from the quest and you're welcome to at least that much.)

Alternatively, just provide me with the caffeine. I have 4600 already and I have a beverage factory to do the rest.

Caffiene is readily available at import.


currently at $3.22 per q15

http://www.ratjoy.com/eos/market-import-az.php?page=6

[stessier]

If anyone can make Cola Concentrate, I just got a quest to collect 10,416 of them. Nothing on the market right now, so you should be able to gouge me a bit. A bit, only, please. (I get $46,872 from the quest and you're welcome to at least that much.)

Alternatively, just provide me with the caffeine. I have 4600 already and I have a beverage factory to do the rest.

Caffiene is readily available at import.


currently at $3.22 per q15

http://www.ratjoy.com/eos/market-import-az.php?page=6

Yeah, but I like helping real people too and the quality doesn't matter. So if I can get some from people at $2.50-3, I save a bit, they make their 10x profit, and everyone is happy.

[LordMortis]

If anyone can make Cola Concentrate, I just got a quest to collect 10,416 of them. Nothing on the market right now, so you should be able to gouge me a bit. A bit, only, please. (I get $46,872 from the quest and you're welcome to at least that much.)

Alternatively, just provide me with the caffeine. I have 4600 already and I have a beverage factory to do the rest.

Caffiene is readily available at import.


currently at $3.22 per q15

http://www.ratjoy.com/eos/market-import-az.php?page=6

Yeah, but I like helping real people too and the quality doesn't matter. So if I can get some from people at $2.50-3, I save a bit, they make their 10x profit, and everyone is happy.

Gotcha. I don't even know where caffeine is made and I'm always impatient so I check prices on b2b and then usually run off to import. I have so many beverage needs that I rarely need caffeine anyway.

[stessier]

Gotcha. I don't even know where caffeine is made and I'm always impatient so I check prices on b2b and then usually run off to import. I have so many beverage needs that I rarely need caffeine anyway.

I didn't know either. Apparently Food Processing from Coffee Beans. I have the beans, but no Food Processing. Which is a shame because I also have the sugar, water, and Beverage Factory needed as the rest of the requirements for Cola Concentrate. I'm not spending $1M for the land plus the cost of the factory to do it on my own though.

[LordMortis]

Gotcha. I don't even know where caffeine is made and I'm always impatient so I check prices on b2b and then usually run off to import. I have so many beverage needs that I rarely need caffeine anyway.

I didn't know either. Apparently Food Processing from Coffee Beans. I have the beans, but no Food Processing. Which is a shame because I also have the sugar, water, and Beverage Factory needed as the rest of the requirements for Cola Concentrate. I'm not spending $1M for the land plus the cost of the factory to do it on my own though.

If that's where mayo and ketchup and mustard are made then I'll be building that next. I'm waiting to process all of my existing silver and steel (probably a week) to trash my jeweler and build another food plant. (27 Million to buy a plot, which is more money than I have in inventory)

[stessier]

(27 Million to buy a plot, which is more money than I have in inventory)

ZOINKS!! The first plot is $1M. How do they scale after that?

[LordMortis]

(27 Million to buy a plot, which is more money than I have in inventory)

ZOINKS!! The first plot is $1M. How do they scale after that?

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I gimped myself early game buying plots, not realizing some you owned and some you didn't. It wasn't until I saw 27M that I saw the difference.

[noxiousdog]

(27 Million to buy a plot, which is more money than I have in inventory)

ZOINKS!! The first plot is $1M. How do they scale after that?

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I gimped myself early game buying plots, not realizing some you owned and some you didn't. It wasn't until I saw 27M that I saw the difference.

Do you have to buy all your land if you start a new company?

[LordMortis]

Do you have to buy all your land if you start a new company?

No idea.

Rip, the new company man might know.

And the great stock crash continues.

GUMMI is down to $75 a share and still dropping.

30-Day Range: $71.74-431.16

I've stabilized for now.

It'd be funny if there were margins to call in.

I'm going to assume there will be a new formula will have a basis on recent company value, amount of stock, and recent buys or sells and that over time the stock tries to find stasis, factoring out buys and sells.

But when I assume I make an ass of you.

[GreenGoo]

Yeah, taking a bit of a beating on stocks myself. Probably should have invested that money into my business.

[noxiousdog]

I'm strongly considering my IPO, but it will depend on if there's anything I can do with the cash. Business is pretty stable, but I'd like to move some of my production tier out and to the B2B. If I can't afford land, though, there's not much point. I figure I can personally pull about 100M if I can get 4x book value which seems pretty standard.

[LordMortis]

I'm strongly considering my IPO, but it will depend on if there's anything I can do with the cash. Business is pretty stable, but I'd like to move some of my production tier out and to the B2B. If I can't afford land, though, there's not much point. I figure I can personally pull about 100M if I can get 4x book value which seems pretty standard.

Was standard. Who knows how stocks are about to work? I'm not holding out for starting another company in the near future. Even if I could generate 100M to start another company I don't think I'd want to take the time manage two companies yet. It will need way better stabilize SI before I even consider running a second company.

[Matrix]

I'm strongly considering my IPO, but it will depend on if there's anything I can do with the cash. Business is pretty stable, but I'd like to move some of my production tier out and to the B2B. If I can't afford land, though, there's not much point. I figure I can personally pull about 100M if I can get 4x book value which seems pretty standard.

Was standard. Who knows how stocks are about to work? I'm not holding out for starting another company in the near future. Even if I could generate 100M to start another company I don't think I'd want to take the time manage two companies yet. It will need way better stabilize SI before I even consider running a second company.

Ya thats what i am thinking.If i were you i would wait at least a day, just to see how new stock model behave. I did notice that it values heavily P/E (price earning ratio) , Zap bucks just above me, has slightly higher P/E ratio. So at least we know that it is now accounted for.

[GreenGoo]

Finally have over 1/2 a mil in cash and the urge to blow it all on a new factory or store in another industry is significant. Already bored with fruits and crops and chomping at the bit to try something else. The smart thing to do is to re-invest it until my food based company is more stable and self sustaining. Then branch out when the cash flow is better. Since I've premeditatively intentionally decided on a couple of dumb things that restrict me (hell, I even started paying back my loan on day 1 and make a new payment everyday) I think I'll take the smarter route and reinvest this 500k and see what tomorrow brings.

[Rumpy]

Well, this is great. Lots of money put into getting ketchup on the market and nobody's biting.Likely has to do with the cheaper ketchup already on the market Product isn't moving. *sigh*

[Fitzy]

Finally have over 1/2 a mil in cash and the urge to blow it all on a new factory or store in another industry is significant. Already bored with fruits and crops and chomping at the bit to try something else. The smart thing to do is to re-invest it until my food based company is more stable and self sustaining. Then branch out when the cash flow is better. Since I've premeditatively intentionally decided on a couple of dumb things that restrict me (hell, I even started paying back my loan on day 1 and make a new payment everyday) I think I'll take the smarter route and reinvest this 500k and see what tomorrow brings.

This is a game, not real life. The smart thing to do is have fun.

After a few days I sold my first company and started over in a different industry. It was painful at first, but now my little company is chugging along and I'm having fun again. Over 17% of people wipe their ass with my toilet paper. That's a good feeling.

[GreenGoo]

This is a game, not real life. The smart thing to do is have fun.

After a few days I sold my first company and started over in a different industry. It was painful at first, but now my little company is chugging along and I'm having fun again. Over 17% of people wipe their ass with my toilet paper. That's a good feeling.

Boo!

Ok, good point, but I think it's still smarter to build more cash before switching over. I've been struggling along on my first and only 5 mil loan while Guy McMoney hordes his personal cash. I don't want to limp along in fits and starts in my new industry too, although I'll jump in long before I have a good buffer of cash, so there will still be some limping along in any case.

[Rip]

Stocks gone mad. Everything is down across the board. There must have been big change in logorithms

In inquiring about GUMMI, the developer and I were "looking" at things last night.

I think maybe something got over adjusted just a tad. I love not seeing all the stocks gaining all the time though.

[Rip]

Do you have to buy all your land if you start a new company?

No idea.

Rip, the new company man might know.

And the great stock crash continues.

GUMMI is down to $75 a share and still dropping.

30-Day Range: $71.74-431.16

I've stabilized for now.

It'd be funny if there were margins to call in.

I'm going to assume there will be a new formula will have a basis on recent company value, amount of stock, and recent buys or sells and that over time the stock tries to find stasis, factoring out buys and sells.

But when I assume I make an ass of you.

Starting my second company cost $10 million up front for land costs.

[Matrix]

Well, this is great. Lots of money put into getting ketchup on the market and nobody's biting.Likely has to do with the cheaper ketchup already on the market Product isn't moving. *sigh*

Whats your company name? Lately there was a decent amount of ketchup on the market . what you selling it for?. If its higher then 50, then less people will take it since even with store with large marketing power at 80-90 they move slowly. I got about 30k of it, but might get some more.



Yah, i wont be starting second companies, platzkart and RJM takes enough time as is.


Am i glad i bought some of the remaining outstanding shares of platzkart yesterday, since there were 2 ways to survive crash. A) have cash B) have a lot of shares of solid companies.
JCP has done very well RIP congrats.

Nice to see companies with good basics do well, and not some Gammi company with crazy evaluation that hasnt done 1 sale in weeks.

[stessier]

The spreadsheet I use for tracking and rebalancing was made in an ad hoc fashion as I was learning the game. As such, it was rather unwieldy to add new products or enter data I pull from the game.

So, since my store stocking was already shot due to inattention over the last day, I've remade the spreadsheet. It is now logical and accounts for everything possible to be sold in the Farmer's Market. It has items being made in a different order, though, so my store stocking is going to get worse before it gets better. It's going to take 56 hours to get through a full cycle. At that point, I should be moving forward again. Hopefully I can use the B2B to keep the company moving at least sideways in the interim.

[LordMortis]

Well, this is great. Lots of money put into getting ketchup on the market and nobody's biting.Likely has to do with the cheaper ketchup already on the market Product isn't moving. *sigh*

Totally my fault. At the time I had never seen ketchup on the market once. I bough it and was selling it at 200 per bottle. The market got flooded with ketchup last night. I don't know if that was Rip or what. How much did your ketchup cost to make? Can you afford to under cut the $45 a bottle quality it ketchup?

If I had 700,000 laying around or could reasonably generate it I'd make it up to you.

I'd make the same recommendation about Mayo. To this point I have never seen Mayo on the market. But I'm guessing (and hoping) that someone a group of people are already on it.

Give me a day or two and I'm likely pick up your ketchup, the only problem is I doubt you want to wait that long. I work in days or weeks turn around time and that seems to be counter what every one else does.

[GreenGoo]

Give me a day or two and I'm likely pick up your ketchup, the only problem is I doubt you want to wait that long. I work in days or weeks turn around time and that seems to be counter what every one else does.

The market is so chaotic that I don't think anyone but the big players can afford to plan that far in advance. If I'm just building inventory, demand could drop substantially in a day or two, let alone a week, at which point I'm holding stock that I can't even sell at cost, let alone for profit.

That said, I am trying to buy inventory that'll last a day or more, if I can afford it and the deal is good enough.

[GreenGoo]

I'm losing my fucking mind scouring the b2b for deals on products my store sells.

I'm getting to the point of throwing my hands up in frustration and quiting.

This is all basically due to limited starting funds and some not fully informed decisions I made on day one with that cash.

I'm in the black, my networth is growing, my storefronts are expanding, but I'm working WAY too hard for the little I'm gaining.

One. More. Day.

If I have to survive by simply being a buyer for my stores, I'm done. I'm not actually angry although it may come across like that. i'm simply fatigued by going through the buying process and trying to shave costs and increase margins. I've actually scooped up some deals where the seller didn't satisfactorily account for the quality of their product and done very well in my store with it. Although really, I can make 200-400% by eyeballing it, or make 250-500% by painstakingly running the numbers. I'm just not sure I can play by eyeball (due to ocd or something) so the answer (for me) would be to stop playing altogehter if I can't figure out a way for me to not spend so much time crunching numbers. I like to crunch numbers, but there are too many products that my stores sell.

[LordMortis]

I skip a lot of b2b and use IMP. I take the ND approach to buying CTRL-Click on a ton of tabs (b2b and IMP) on a store menu and then I use the tabs side by side to figure out what I want to buy and what I want to pay for it. In the food industry, I find that more than half of my purchases are IMP, and if I ever decide to sell anything of any real quantity b2b, I would plan on selling items that either don't exist IMP or are rarely found IMP.

[Sepiche]

If I have to survive by simply being a buyer for my stores, I'm done. I'm not actually angry although it may come across like that. i'm simply fatigued by going through the buying process and trying to shave costs and increase margins.

Yeah I gotta say, the store interface is still a real weak spot of the game. The links to the b2b and import markets are handy, but you still end up having to spend a ton of time checking each item, setting pricing, restocking inventory, etc.

The store interface either needs to be redesigned with all the most useful info for all the items available on one screen, or there needs to be an automated process to automatically buy up goods on the b2b within a certain price range, mark them up by X, and sell them.

I still enjoy the satisfaction of making a profit on a lot of stuff and seeing my sales grow and grow, but stocking my stores is starting to feel more and more like a job unto itself.