Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

[Ralph-Wiggum]

Was wondering if I was mis-remembering something in the scene with Theon when he 'embraces' the Drowned God. I thought there was more to it than just pouring some sea water on his head. Aren't people actually drowned and then revived? Isn't that part of "what was dead can never die but rises again harder and stronger"?

I think that's (minor book spoilers)

Spoiler:

only for the priests.

[Daveman]

I got the impression being drowned for real was the traditional, albeit hardcore form of the ritual. I believe Damphair criticized a few people who had only been baptized with seawater... but he also seemed to use that as a more casual, routine thing to to.

[Zaxxon]

Yeah,

Spoiler:

Actual drowning is the traditional method.

I just finished watching ep 3 with the interactive features on and once again highly recommend them. I think I'll stop mentioning them going forward...

[naednek]

Spoiler:

Book 3.

really?

[naednek]

If I had to list complaints, they would be:

1) that Asha^Z^Z^Z^ZYara has a stick slightly too far up her ass. She's a badass in the books yes, but she's also more playful and outgoing than she seems on the show so far. .

Who is Asharaya again? Theon's sister?

[Odin]

Who is Asharaya again? Theon's sister?

Yep. They changed her name for the series so as not to confuse her with Osha, the wildling woman
who was there when the men escaping from the wall attacked Bran and who was taken back to Winterfell as a prisoner. The two both operate in the same general part of the world, so it wouldn't be hard for people to mix up the homophonic names.

[Zaxxon]

Spoiler:

Book 3.

really?

Yes.

[Exodor]

Man, this show is really dark sometimes.

No, not the content - the lighting. I have to turn off all the ambient light in the room to see some of the scenes.

[Exodor]

The actor who played Syrio answered a bunch of fan questions on Reddit

[coopasonic]

I just finished watching ep 3 with the interactive features on and once again highly recommend them. I think I'll stop mentioning them going forward...

...adn I was terribly disappointed last night to find the special features aren't available on HBOGo through the xbox. 110" screen > 24" screen dammit.

[hepcat]

Adding Natalie Dormer to your show will usually ensure that I stay tuned. The woman is just pure sex on a stick. She's so odd looking she's beautiful.

[Odin]

Adding Natalie Dormer to your show will usually ensure that I stay tuned. The woman is just pure sex on a stick. She's so odd looking she's beautiful.

Yes, she's cute. Oddly, neither her own profile in IMDB nor the cast list for A Game of Thrones include her role as Margaery Tyrell.

[Zaxxon]

Fantastic image is fantastic.

[Exodor]

The only proper response is NSFW

Spoiler:

[Ralph-Wiggum]

The only proper response is NSFW

Spoiler:

Since when did a fully clothed woman become NSFW?

[Exodor]

Since when did a fully clothed woman become NSFW?

I don't want to derail the thread but you can't see how massive cleavage might be inappropriate for some workplaces?

I usually try to be extra cautious. There's little harm in forcing the curious to click a spoiler link and I think those who read from work tend to not appreciate even mildly NSFW content in a seemingly innocuous thread like this one.

[Jag]

The only proper response is NSFW

Spoiler:

Since when did a fully clothed woman become NSFW?

You call that NSFW? Now THIS is NSFW (or NSFHepcat).

[Odin]

The only proper response is NSFW

Spoiler:

Since when did a fully clothed woman become NSFW?

You call that NSFW? Now THIS is NSFW (or NSFHepcat).

There is definitely something... quirky about her face. I don't dislike it exactly, but it's distracting.

[MHS]

The only proper response is NSFW

Spoiler:

Since when did a fully clothed woman become NSFW?

You call that NSFW? Now THIS is NSFW (or NSFHepcat).

There is definitely something... quirky about her face. I don't dislike it exactly, but it's distracting.

I don't find her (or her boobs) particularly attractive. She reminded me of a younger version of the actress who plays Catelyn Stark in several scenes- something about the angle of their faces. She's sexy, and cute in some pictures I've seen but not (IMO) beautiful.

[hepcat]

She's a beauty born out of balance. Every single feature that makes her attractive is about one degree away from destroying that beauty, imho. I fear as she ages, it's going to cause that dangerous shift. But then again, how many of us have the right to complain?

[Zaxxon]

Curtain Call: Francis Magee

I think this write-up is pretty spot-on. Magee's Yoren was all kinds of awesome.

[Odin]

Curtain Call: Francis Magee

I think this write-up is pretty spot-on. Magee's Yoren was all kinds of awesome.

That's a great article. Yoren was definitely a great character on the show.

[Carpet_pissr]

Curtain Call: Francis Magee

I think this write-up is pretty spot-on. Magee's Yoren was all kinds of awesome.

That's a great article. Yoren was definitely a great character on the show.

In the show and the book.

I was a little disappointed with the way that they had to compress his scenes from the book to make it fit TV (particularly would have liked to see the "final siege" scene get a little more time/fleshing out).

[Carpet_pissr]

Yeah Asha/Yara is nothing like how I pictured her in the books, from looks to general personality and mannerisms. I don't necessarily dislike the one on the show, but it's hard to relate the two in my mind.

I thought they did a good job with Brienne, with her speech and demeanor, but a little more uglifying would be better IMO. In fact, they should switch out the girl that plays Asha, who is decidedly homely on the show, but I remember getting the impression that she was kind of hawt in the books. A sexy-hot, fiery smack talker that could handle a sword as well as a cock (and probably at the same time).

[Carpet_pissr]

I think the TV series is better than the books.

I love you man, but I can see your lobotomy stitches from here.

[Terrified]

I thought they did a good job with Brienne, with her speech and demeanor, but a little more uglifying would be better IMO.

I thought they 'uglified' her perfectly. In our enlightened society, she shouldn't look that ugly. But by their very gender role defined standards, when a woman is not feminine at all, she'd be hideous. And Brienne's voice, the way she carried herself, was just perfect for how I'd envisioned her. Clearly not a conventional beauty, but not as ugly to our eyes as she would be to the people of GoT.

[Exodor]

via FARK








Also, I'm I wrong for considering spending $25 for a HODOR HODOR HODOR t-shirt?

[Odin]

This week's episode was quite good, but I have to confess I find myself getting a little lost in some of the changes they're making. When they called Gendry up to be tortured (presumably to death) I was baffled. Likewise when Tywin Lannister made Arya his cupbearer. Baelish also showed up far ahead of schedule. I get why they're doing it, but I hadn't expected to have trouble following the series given how well I know the books. I'm finding the opposite to be true.

[Ralph-Wiggum]

This week's episode was quite good, but I have to confess I find myself getting a little lost in some of the changes they're making. When they called Gendry up to be tortured (presumably to death) I was baffled. Likewise when Tywin Lannister made Arya his cupbearer. Baelish also showed up far ahead of schedule. I get why they're doing it, but I hadn't expected to have trouble following the series given how well I know the books. I'm finding the opposite to be true.

It doesn't seem like you're having trouble following the series; it seems like you understand well enough what's happening in each scene. It's just that you're confused as to why there are changes from the book.

Re: the episode. That scene with Joffrey and the whores was rough to watch. At least he was only using that staff to hit the whore....

[TiLT]

From the comments I've read it seems that many people seem to be a bit confused about why Joffrey did what he did. I don't think the purpose was to show that Joffrey is a sadistic, evil man. It was to show us that he's starting to fight Tyrion. Remember it was Tyrion who sent the whores. Joff wanted the girl sent back to Tyrion as damaged goods to show the consequences of his meddling.

[Odin]

It doesn't seem like you're having trouble following the series; it seems like you understand well enough what's happening in each scene. It's just that you're confused as to why there are changes from the book.

I'm able to figure out what's going on by the time I post here, but no, my initial reaction is one of "WTF?!?"

[Turtle]

Its purpose is both.

He's sick and sadistic, and he's fighting back.

To try and separate the sick sadistic side of that character from a inner political move isn't really possible for a character like that. Tyrion, Jaime, and Cersei all have their dark sides, but there is often a reason for it. Joffrey is being presented as both ruthlessly practical, and also sadistic.

I have no problems with any of the changes. This is TV, sequences of events that can be done in books just don't work, or aren't optimal for TV or its budget. And let's face it, GRRM can get pretty bogged down in some stories.

[Jag]

Regarding Robb's only development last night:

(book spoiler)

Spoiler:

I assume they are moving away from the Jeyne Westerling subplot and will make Robb fall for an exotic commoner instead? I guess it accomplishes the same thing, but I always liked the fact that he fell for a minor noble, made it seem more believable.

[Odin]

Regarding Robb's only development last night:

(book spoiler)

Spoiler:

I assume they are moving away from the Jeyne Westerling subplot and will make Robb fall for an exotic commoner instead? I guess it accomplishes the same thing, but I always liked the fact that he fell for a minor noble, made it seem more believable.

Yeah, I'm wondering about that, too. [Spoilers for ramifications of a small group of minor characters most likely cut from the series, but with reference to significant events that are all but guaranteed to be in the series.]

Spoiler:

At the end of the day, I suppose that the Westerlings are a minor enough house with a small enough role that it won't affect the overall story to cut them. Of course, you have to cut their son acting as Robb's squire (and being killed or captured at the red wedding, I forget which). The only thing you really lose (other than the fairly minor relationship between Jeyne's mother and Maggie the Frog, haunter of Cersei's dreams), is something I was totally unaware of...

Second spoiler - Internet analysis/speculation about what may ultimately have become of a particular, somewhat minor character: [note - this is a potential, though unconfirmed, spoiler even for folks who have read the books]

Spoiler:

According to some readers, there is ample evidence that Jeyne Westerling was smuggled out of Riverrun by Bryndan Tully, probably because despite her mother's best efforts, she is actually carrying Robb Stark's child, heir to The North. How about that, huh??

[Jag]

Second spoiler - Internet analysis/speculation about what may ultimately have become of a particular, somewhat minor character: [note - this is a potential, though unconfirmed, spoiler even for folks who have read the books]

Spoiler:

According to some readers, there is ample evidence that Jeyne Westerling was smuggled out of Riverrun by Bryndan Tully, probably because despite her mother's best efforts, she is actually carrying Robb Stark's child, heir to The North. How about that, huh??

I totally missed that from the books, pretty cool concept.

[Sepiche]

Great episode! That scene at the end was even more amazing that what I pictured when I read the book. Absolutely awesome cliffhanger though... I could almost hear all the non-book readers out there collectively yelling "What the fuck was that!?!".

I also thought it was a great touch that Lancel was dressed in the same manner as Jaime. That made me laugh.

[Exodor]

I could almost hear all the non-book readers out there collectively yelling "What the fuck was that!?!".

I didn't yell it but I said those exact words at the end of the episode.


Only 6 more episodes this season.


EDIT: Saw this elsewhere about the final scene

wow i always thought people who said fathering a child after 35 was risky were exaggerating

[Scraper]

I could almost hear all the non-book readers out there collectively yelling "What the fuck was that!?!".

I didn't yell it but I said those exact words at the end of the episode.


Only 6 more episodes this season.


EDIT: Saw this elsewhere about the final scene

wow i always thought people who said fathering a child after 35 was risky were exaggerating

Damn only 6 to go. I don't see how they are possibly going to cover everything that is left in 6 episodes.

Book spoilers:

Spoiler:

After all they have all of Theon and Winterfell to go, plus the assault on Kings Landing should be at least one full episode. Not to mention we haven't even started with John's expedition yet.

[MHS]

I'll say again that I don't know how people who haven't read the books could enjoy the show. I don't think I could, because I would never feel like I was getting enough information about anything. Maybe that's only because I know what I'd be missing though.

[Odin]

Maybe that's only because I know what I'd be missing though.

Given the show's popularity, I have to believe that's the case. To those who have only seen the series, it's a rich, complex story. They have no idea that the full story is 10x more sophisticated and deep than what they're getting.