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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Exodor » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:31 am

triggercut wrote:Poor Royals.


Can you blame him?


The only possible positive is that maybe we'll get a new manager next year.

Maybe Bobby V. will be looking for another new job! :grund:
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby MindToyGames » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:57 am

triggercut wrote:Poor Royals.


Well, here's their problem in a nutshell:

ERA: 4.64 (26th Overall)
QUALITY STARTS: 6 (23rd Overall)
WHIP: 1.42 (25th Overall)
BAA: .264 (23rd Overall)

which might be ok if it weren't for:
Runs Scored: 57 (24th Overall)
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Exodor » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:58 am

I know, who could have predicted that pitching would be a problem for KC?


Oh, that's right - EVERYONE EXCEPT THE GM. :grund:
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby theohall » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:05 am

Octavious wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Octavious wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Is it possible that Bobby V won't make it through a full season? Before today my thinking was that there's no way he'd get canned so quickly, but after today...

I thought it was pretty silly that they went out and got him in the first place. I highly doubt they would shitcan him in the first season though. They keep on losing games like that to the Yankees and maybe I could be wrong. :lol:


What troubled me was less the signing of Bobby V (which could be, and was, reasonably defended by some smart people), but the process for doing so - every public indication being that ownership let GM Ben Cherington conduct a lengthy search, pick someone, then kneecap him and force him to pretend he wanted to hire Bobby V.

And again, it's early, a tough schedule, and it's unclear how much blame he deserves when the main culprit is historically bad pitching (worst in the majors).

But while it's been my assumption that he would at least make it through the year, it's not a great sign that the GM is already having to say that he is "very confident" about Bobby V as the manager.

His pitchers just totally imploded on him by looking at the box score. Can't really fault him too much on that one. Didn't realize that they have only won 4 games so far. Holy crapola. :lol:


At some point it will be time to start blaming the players. Didn't they fire the last manager for "losing the locker room" last season? Well, new manager. Same problems. Seems to me there is a different issue.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Exodor » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:39 pm

It's probably not good when a listing of the worst moments of the season so far prominently features your team.

Like this wonderful pitch by Jonathan Sanchez:

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I think it's appropriate that our first worst pitch of 2012 was uncorked by Jonathan Sanchez, who feels bad for the strike zone and wishes it didn't get so much abuse. I know this pitch doesn't look that bad - it just looks like a pitch in the dirt - but slow-motion instant replay reveals just how much in the dirt it actually was.


:doh:

Thank goodness for Matt Garza.

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This season is going to suck.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby LawBeefaroni » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:28 pm

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This season is going to suck.

You know, at least 3-13 is something. Suck is better than mediocre. Like say the 5-12 Cubs or Padres. If you're not going to make the playoffs, at least don't be boring. KCR aren't going to be boring, I don't think.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Exodor » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:43 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Exodor wrote:
This season is going to suck.


You know, at least 3-13 is something. Suck is better than mediocre. Like say the 5-12 Cubs or Padres. If you're not going to make the playoffs, at least don't be boring. KCR aren't going to be boring, I don't think.


Now they've gone and broken Rany


At least this terrible start should produce a few memorable JoePos columns.



I'll bet the Royals marketing team is rethinking that "Our Time" slogan.

More like Dour Time. :(
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby theohall » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:51 pm

Exodor wrote:
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Exodor wrote:
This season is going to suck.


You know, at least 3-13 is something. Suck is better than mediocre. Like say the 5-12 Cubs or Padres. If you're not going to make the playoffs, at least don't be boring. KCR aren't going to be boring, I don't think.


Now they've gone and broken Rany


At least this terrible start should produce a few memorable JoePos columns.



I'll bet the Royals marketing team is rethinking that "Our Time" slogan.

More like Dour Time. :(


That's almost as bad as what some brilliant fool in the Blues marketing department decided this season. "Don't Stop Believing" was supposed to be the Blues "theme" this season. It was rightly changed to "Believe" when Blues fans were outraged, and let management know we were outraged, that some fool would use a song with the phrase "born and raised in South Detroit" in it for a St Louis Blues hockey team.

Back to baseball. With the way Wainwright has been pitching, looks like the Cardinals will finally lose a 3-game series this season.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby LordMortis » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:01 pm

theohall wrote:That's almost as bad as what some brilliant fool in the Blues marketing department decided this season. "Don't Stop Believing" was supposed to be the Blues "theme" this season. It was rightly changed to "Believe" when Blues fans were outraged, and let management know we were outraged, that some fool would use a song with the phrase "born and raised in South Detroit" in it for a St Louis Blues hockey team.


That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. I can only imagine the steam coming out of your head hearing that.

How did he get the job? How did it get past... any one?

(Oh, and this Detroiter hates that damned song, even if Journey is one of his secret "shame" bands. That we've latched on to a song that tries to paint Windsor as Detroit's ghetto, is just broken to me. And we haven't even done it ironically or anything. We just like to hear our name in a song. Go Kid Rock! :roll: )
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Octavious » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:27 pm

Bay and Pelfrey to the DL. NOW the Mets season starts. Bay got hurt falling over trying to make a catch. :doh: This is the same guy that was out half a season for running into a wall. Good pickup Mets sigh.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby theohall » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:37 pm

LordMortis wrote:
theohall wrote:That's almost as bad as what some brilliant fool in the Blues marketing department decided this season. "Don't Stop Believing" was supposed to be the Blues "theme" this season. It was rightly changed to "Believe" when Blues fans were outraged, and let management know we were outraged, that some fool would use a song with the phrase "born and raised in South Detroit" in it for a St Louis Blues hockey team.


That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. I can only imagine the steam coming out of your head hearing that.

How did he get the job? How did it get past... any one?

(Oh, and this Detroiter hates that damned song, even if Journey is one of his secret "shame" bands. That we've latched on to a song that tries to paint Windsor as Detroit's ghetto, is just broken to me. And we haven't even done it ironically or anything. We just like to hear our name in a song. Go Kid Rock! :roll: )


It got past folks because Dave Checketts is cheap and is trying to sell the team. Result of being cheap = crappy marketing department which has no clue to whom they are marketing. What is truly sad. The Blues used to have one of the best marketing teams in St Louis.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Kelric » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:06 pm

theohall wrote:
Octavious wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Octavious wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Is it possible that Bobby V won't make it through a full season? Before today my thinking was that there's no way he'd get canned so quickly, but after today...

I thought it was pretty silly that they went out and got him in the first place. I highly doubt they would shitcan him in the first season though. They keep on losing games like that to the Yankees and maybe I could be wrong. :lol:


What troubled me was less the signing of Bobby V (which could be, and was, reasonably defended by some smart people), but the process for doing so - every public indication being that ownership let GM Ben Cherington conduct a lengthy search, pick someone, then kneecap him and force him to pretend he wanted to hire Bobby V.

And again, it's early, a tough schedule, and it's unclear how much blame he deserves when the main culprit is historically bad pitching (worst in the majors).

But while it's been my assumption that he would at least make it through the year, it's not a great sign that the GM is already having to say that he is "very confident" about Bobby V as the manager.

His pitchers just totally imploded on him by looking at the box score. Can't really fault him too much on that one. Didn't realize that they have only won 4 games so far. Holy crapola. :lol:


At some point it will be time to start blaming the players. Didn't they fire the last manager for "losing the locker room" last season? Well, new manager. Same problems. Seems to me there is a different issue.


Bostonians are getting there. The early season problems were highlighted by Bobby V - calling out Youk, terrible bullpen management, practically platoon half of our roster rather than letting starters get regular work early now...
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Pyperkub » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:23 pm

Exodor wrote:I know, who could have predicted that pitching would be a problem for KC?


Oh, that's right - EVERYONE EXCEPT THE GM. :grund:


Well, you did get Sanchez, who looks like he's had 2 good starts and one bad start. Looks like he still has control problems though, but you knew that when you traded for him...
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Exodor » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:25 pm

And the Royals drop their 12th straight.


This is starting to kind of suck.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby LawBeefaroni » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:53 pm

Yu Darvish with 8 1/3 strong innings. 7H, 2BB, 10K, 0R. Against the Yankees. Nathan comes in for a 1 pitch double-play save.

Marmol being Marmol (or Sveum being Sveum?). 2-run bomb in the 8th after Camp and Dolis both get a go, 2-1 Cards.

Octavious wrote:Bay and Pelfrey to the DL. NOW the Mets season starts. Bay got hurt falling over trying to make a catch. :doh: This is the same guy that was out half a season for running into a wall. Good pickup Mets sigh.

Santana looked good today though.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Exodor » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:31 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:Marmol being Marmol (or Sveum being Sveum?). 2-run bomb in the 8th after Camp and Dolis both get a go, 2-1 Cards.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby LawBeefaroni » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:41 pm

Exodor wrote:
LawBeefaroni wrote:Marmol being Marmol (or Sveum being Sveum?). 2-run bomb in the 8th after Camp and Dolis both get a go, 2-1 Cards.
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Cubs win!

Nice. Although Castro's hit streak ends at 11.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby theohall » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:52 am

Exodor wrote:
LawBeefaroni wrote:Marmol being Marmol (or Sveum being Sveum?). 2-run bomb in the 8th after Camp and Dolis both get a go, 2-1 Cards.
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Cubs win!


Wainwright finally pitches a good game and the Cardinals hitting disappears.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby ImLawBoy » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:05 am

Going into the series, I believe that the Cubs had not won a series all year, and the Cardinals had not lost a series all year. Naturally, the Cubs won the series.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Octavious » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:17 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:Yu Darvish with 8 1/3 strong innings. 7H, 2BB, 10K, 0R. Against the Yankees. Nathan comes in for a 1 pitch double-play save.

Marmol being Marmol (or Sveum being Sveum?). 2-run bomb in the 8th after Camp and Dolis both get a go, 2-1 Cards.

Octavious wrote:Bay and Pelfrey to the DL. NOW the Mets season starts. Bay got hurt falling over trying to make a catch. :doh: This is the same guy that was out half a season for running into a wall. Good pickup Mets sigh.

Santana looked good today though.

Ya he's done pretty good so far this year. His prior start was a mess, but otherwise he's doing great. Reyes got a mixed reaction of boos and cheers in his first game back against the Mets. I don't really get the boos because he wanted to stay the Mets just couldn't/wouldn't offer him anything.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby LawBeefaroni » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:48 am

ImLawBoy wrote:Going into the series, I believe that the Cubs had not won a series all year, and the Cardinals had not lost a series all year. Naturally, the Cubs won the series.

I heard something about 13 consecutive series for the Cards, either 13 straight series wins going back to last year or 13 straight series over the cubs.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Remus West » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:42 am

Man does Brandon Inge get some serious hate on local sports radio. Personally I don't think the guy should be playing right now as his defense thus far this year has been sub-par and his offense.....well, he hasn't had any offense really. That said the callers on the Ticket this morning were down right vicious in their criticism of him. I just do not get it. Dude has played his heart out every season. No, he is not getting it done now but he did in the past for us. Can we not be classy in his exit? The guy deserves it, imo. Had the call been made correctly against the Twins (iirc) a few years back when his jersey got hit by the pitch he'd be a frigging local hero still I'd bet.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby LordMortis » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:53 am

Remus West wrote:Man does Brandon Inge get some serious hate on local sports radio. Personally I don't think the guy should be playing right now as his defense thus far this year has been sub-par and his offense.....well, he hasn't had any offense really. That said the callers on the Ticket this morning were down right vicious in their criticism of him. I just do not get it. Dude has played his heart out every season. No, he is not getting it done now but he did in the past for us. Can we not be classy in his exit? The guy deserves it, imo. Had the call been made correctly against the Twins (iirc) a few years back when his jersey got hit by the pitch he'd be a frigging local hero still I'd bet.


Inge wasn't so classy about his demotion two years ago, though he found himself again after cooling off in the minors for a while. He has no business being in the majors any more and he has come to terms with that. Hating him does no good. It's a management decision and as fans we need to remember what they've done with the team in the last few years and that Illitch is willing to buy World Series Championship before he dies. If they're keeping Inge then it's because they don't see a better option available to them.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Freezer-TPF- » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:06 pm

Ryan Zimmerman's MRI results on his shoulder are "not favorable."

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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Remus West » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:19 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Remus West wrote:Man does Brandon Inge get some serious hate on local sports radio. Personally I don't think the guy should be playing right now as his defense thus far this year has been sub-par and his offense.....well, he hasn't had any offense really. That said the callers on the Ticket this morning were down right vicious in their criticism of him. I just do not get it. Dude has played his heart out every season. No, he is not getting it done now but he did in the past for us. Can we not be classy in his exit? The guy deserves it, imo. Had the call been made correctly against the Twins (iirc) a few years back when his jersey got hit by the pitch he'd be a frigging local hero still I'd bet.


Inge wasn't so classy about his demotion two years ago, though he found himself again after cooling off in the minors for a while. He has no business being in the majors any more and he has come to terms with that. Hating him does no good. It's a management decision and as fans we need to remember what they've done with the team in the last few years and that Illitch is willing to buy World Series Championship before he dies. If they're keeping Inge then it's because they don't see a better option available to them.

He didn't have to accept the trip to the minors. He waived part of his contract in order for them to be able to send him down.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby LawBeefaroni » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:27 pm

Freezer-TPF- wrote:Ryan Zimmerman's MRI results on his shoulder are "not favorable."

Sigh.

Ouch.

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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Naughty Penguin » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:19 pm

Baroquen wrote:Hmmm... Orioles win their opener with great pitching by Arrieta and Markakis hitting an opposite field HR and a gift (sun-aided) triple. Yankees lose after Rivera blows the save. That's an entertaining start in my book! :D

Mine too, die hard Orioles fan! They may let me down every year but I still stay behind them! :D
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby El Guapo » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:36 pm

Freezer-TPF- wrote:Ryan Zimmerman's MRI results on his shoulder are "not favorable."

Sigh.


Maybe they're unfavorable because they are so good that they make everyone else feel bad about their shitty shoulders.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby LordMortis » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:37 pm

Remus West wrote:He didn't have to accept the trip to the minors. He waived part of his contract in order for them to be able to send him down.


He started out a real big dick about it and was putting his own constant desire and failure to perform ahead of the team. He made some nasty remarks to the press about how much he had given the team before he relented and accepted being sent down. After he cooled his heels, we were all better off, Inge, team, and fans. And who waived part of his contract for him to get sent down? As far as I can tell the Tigers pay him his remaining $11 Million as an insurance policy to play in the minors as part of contract negotiation for a guy no other team would have. Refusing to go to the Mud Hens would have killed that.

I don't hate the guy. I just don't keep him on the pedestal he was on before he was hurting the team badly and angrily ignoring that fact when he was literally broken unable to perform.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby pr0ner » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:07 pm

Freezer-TPF- wrote:Ryan Zimmerman's MRI results on his shoulder are "not favorable."

Sigh.


The fact that he gets seriously hurt every year makes me shake my head (again) at that extension the team gave him.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby triggercut » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:24 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Freezer-TPF- wrote:Ryan Zimmerman's MRI results on his shoulder are "not favorable."

Sigh.


The fact that he gets seriously hurt every year makes me shake my head (again) at that extension the team gave him.


Yep. I mean...Zim's not dogging it out there. He's not a goldbrick or a nancy. Dude's injuries are real. Problem is that he gets very real, fairly serious injuries all the damned time.

Silver lining here is that at least the injury is to his right shoulder and not his left. A persistent, long term issue with his right shoulder means you can maybe move him to 1b down the line. A persistent, longterm injury to the left means you worry about him becoming Scott Rolen.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Freezer-TPF- » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:31 pm

triggercut wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Freezer-TPF- wrote:Ryan Zimmerman's MRI results on his shoulder are "not favorable."

Sigh.


The fact that he gets seriously hurt every year makes me shake my head (again) at that extension the team gave him.


Yep. I mean...Zim's not dogging it out there. He's not a goldbrick or a nancy. Dude's injuries are real. Problem is that he gets very real, fairly serious injuries all the damned time.

Silver lining here is that at least the injury is to his right shoulder and not his left. A persistent, long term issue with his right shoulder means you can maybe move him to 1b down the line. A persistent, longterm injury to the left means you worry about him becoming Scott Rolen.

At least he keeps hurting different body parts. That's a positive, right? Pretty soon he'll run out of uninjured parts and be solid for the rest of his contract.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby triggercut » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:28 pm

Good news on Zim, only inflammation. Rest prescribed. Nats breathe easier.

Bad news on Michael Pineda: torn labrum, surgery Tuesday. Out for season, obviously. Career in jeopardy. Only pitcher I can think of that recovered completely from a torn labrum was Chris Carpenter.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Kelric » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:33 pm

triggercut wrote:Bad news on Michael Pineda: torn labrum, surgery Tuesday. Out for season, obviously. Career in jeopardy. Only pitcher I can think of that recovered completely from a torn labrum was Chris Carpenter.


Couldn't have happened to a nicer franchise. I feel bad for Pineda, however.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Octavious » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:03 pm

triggercut wrote:Good news on Zim, only inflammation. Rest prescribed. Nats breathe easier.

Bad news on Michael Pineda: torn labrum, surgery Tuesday. Out for season, obviously. Career in jeopardy. Only pitcher I can think of that recovered completely from a torn labrum was Chris Carpenter.

Looks like Curt Schilling had the same injury. Of course Curt is insane so who knows. As much as I hate the Yankees I can't help feel bad for the kid. He's quite young and his career could possibly be toast.

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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Baroquen » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:04 pm

Kelric wrote:Couldn't have happened to a nicer franchise. I feel bad for Pineda, however.


This.

Anyway, 4 way tie atop the AL East: NYY, BAL, TB and TOR all with a 10-7 record. 8 teams in the AL with a .588 win % or better. Only 4 in the NL. /sigh

O's still treading water winning games that they maybe shouldn't. Some scattered, random injuries and illnesses. But I'll take it. Usually dwelling in the cellar by this point.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby Exodor » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:10 am

OUR MY LONG NIGHTMARE IS FINALLY OVER!

ROYALS WIN!


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The REALLY sad thing is that we're only half a game behind Minnesota. :P
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby triggercut » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:46 am

Royals are only 2 games behind the Angels, who have a payroll more than double theirs.

One interesting thing I haven't considered about Albertross: he's never played for a team that's struggled this much early in the season during his career. Be interesting to see how he handles that.
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby tru1cy » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:49 am

O's have a winning record (SHOCKER) and the starting pitching has been decent. Arrietta, Chen, Hunter and Hamel have been surprisingly good and only weak starter is Matusz. I'm still not a believer (14 losing season will do this) , but its nice to be competitive for a change
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Re: 2012 MLB Regular Season

Postby El Guapo » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:03 am

It couldn't hurt for the Red Sox to ask if they could just hang around Minneapolis and play the Twins a few more times.
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