[Movie] The Avengers are rockin'

[Sudy Nym]

Er, sorry?

[Carpet_pissr]

Er, sorry?

Just curious about that - a leader of an anarchistic group? Sounds...ironic. Unless you were joking?

[hepcat]

If I'm incorrect, the only plausible cause I can come up with is that in the time since we've played together, he took a railroad spike to the head.

Brief derail, but after Grifman noted that the guy was posting on Qto3, I had to take a look at his posting history there as I was curious if he "broke character" in other forums. What I found convinces me that ibdoomed has some serious issues and should get help. This is not a joke, this is not snark. I truly believe he needs help and should see someone if he isn't already going down the path. There's no shame in seeking out someone to talk to about your problems.

[ibdoomed]

Oh geez.

Sudy, thanks for sticking up for me.

I'm not intentionally trolling. Yes, it was the Qt3 avengers thread where someone said "every single character get fleshed out, giving the great one-liners, having the action actually set up with motivations and stories".

I've been asking what Joss does for movies because I don't understand this cult following he has. Firefly/serenity was cool, buffy was meh, but to me he doesn't seem special. I've heard a lot of bad things about this avengers movie (like black widow gets more screen time than others) so I've had no desire to see it from a superhero standpoint but wanted to know what Joss brought in that made it worth the 4 hours of my life.

When I thought "fleshed out characters portrayed by big actors, giving great one-liners, with action motivated by stories", the first movie that came to mind was The Expendables. Obviously there are others that also fit there but nothing comes to mind.

For the record, I have social issues that I am in therapy for. These couple of forums and games are the entirety of my social interaction beyond my wife and parents. I gave them up for a while because I kept being accused of trolling and my therapist says I got worse and needed to return. So here I am. If I am a burden, I will explain to her that I am so and she'll have to deal without. Part of the issue is that movies can affect me so I'm careful of what I watch, the butterfly effect was sort of a trigger that brought forth my social issues.

Anyway, let me know if you need me to go away again.

[ibdoomed]

For some strange reason I ended up liking Dolph in that movie. The Avengers needed some Dolph, come to think of it. Might have helped it get to 98%.

Ibdoomed's contrarian nature makes jeffv's look positively reasonable.

Every movie could use a little Dolph!

I don't know who jeffv is.

[hepcat]

For the record, I have social issues that I am in therapy for. These couple of forums and games are the entirety of my social interaction beyond my wife and parents. I gave them up for a while because I kept being accused of trolling and my therapist says I got worse and needed to return. So here I am. If I am a burden, I will explain to her that I am so and she'll have to deal without. Part of the issue is that movies can affect me so I'm careful of what I watch, the butterfly effect was sort of a trigger that brought forth my social issues.

Anyway, let me know if you need me to go away again.

I think knowing just that little bit about your background is enough to make me realize you weren't trying to be inflammatory. I wish you only the best and I'm happy to hear you've got someone to talk to about life. Just please understand that sometimes people may bristle at your tone or take offense at your unique input on some things. I also hope you take any negative retorts that come out of those interactions as being just words.

[Remus West]

For some strange reason I ended up liking Dolph in that movie. The Avengers needed some Dolph, come to think of it. Might have helped it get to 98%.

Ibdoomed's contrarian nature makes jeffv's look positively reasonable.

Every movie could use a little Dolph!

I don't know who jeffv is.

Seems to me that the last thing we or you need is for you to be chased away. If folks don't like your comparisons then that is their business (I haven't seen the Expendables so can not comment on the accuracy).

JeffV was (hopefully still is even in absentee-ism) a friend of ours from the Chicago area that was famed on here for disliking things. Sometimes it seemed he disliked everything. In real life I found him to be a very engaging and generous person and think we are all poorer for his departure but I wish him well and hope that life is treating him wonderfully.

[Sudy Nym]

Er, sorry?

Just curious about that - a leader of an anarchistic group? Sounds...ironic. Unless you were joking?

My short/silly way of saying we were (are? is anyone still around Vorret?) a social guild without any real order. The rotating guild leader more or less just organized and maintained things.

[hepcat]

Er, sorry?

Just curious about that - a leader of an anarchistic group? Sounds...ironic. Unless you were joking?

My short/silly way of saying we were (are? is anyone still around Vorret?) a social guild without any real order. The rotating guild leader more or less just organized and maintained things.

I just had a vision of a guild that spent all day ganking each other on their way to raids.

[Sudy Nym]

Heh. I think most of our order were afraid of PvP. Mrs. Nym is competition and frustration averse, anyway.

[Odin]

I've heard a lot of bad things about this avengers movie

Then you've been doing an amazing job of ignoring the overwhelmingly positive response. This is largely what makes you look like a troll.

like black widow gets more screen time than others)

I didn't bring a stopwatch, but it didn't seem like a particularly Black Widow move to me. Especially if you mean "than all others" as opposed to "than some others." She probably did have more screen time than Banner/Hulk, for instance, but Stark/Iron Man and Rogers/Captain America were right up there, as was Nick Fury.

I've had no desire to see it from a superhero standpoint

Which is fine - nobody's forcing you to. But, again, be aware that when you ignore the 97% of the feedback that's incredibly, overwhelmingly, almost spiritually positive to focus on a couple of small things and shout out loud "I'm not seeing this because of this one little nit that I've decided to focus on to the exclusion of all else" it makes you look like a troll.

Also, quotes like:

I don't understand how you can add 3 or 4 crap movies together and expect anything less than exponential crap.

I might actually rent this day 1 after I finally watched CA a month ago and it didn't make me puke like I thought it would.

The public is killing me. If we (the collective we) don't stop going to theaters, we'll never get decent movies back.

Are pure and blatant trolling, whether you meant it or not and whether you like it or not. Coming into a thread where people are discussing something they're excited about and crapping all over it not only sight-unseen, but based on other, prior movies that you ALSO haven't seen and assume sight-unseen to be bad is just crap behaviour. Feel free to see the movie and then point out weaknesses, that's cool. Feel free to not see the movie and keep your opinions to yourself - that's also cool. Even posting a single response that says, "I don't plan to see this because of X and Y and Z" wouldn't be completely out of line and might even be helpful to others who were on the fence about it. But to dismiss the entire franchise out of hand and continue to post about how you assume it sucks, in direct opposition to the first-hand, incredibly positive reviews of all of us who have actually seen it? Don't do that.

[I] wanted to know what Joss brought in

If this hasn't been answered to your satisfaction already, it doesn't seem likely that it ever will be. It's also not relevant in my opinion. There seem to be a lot of folks who LOVED LOVED LOVED Joss's previous work who were disappointed that The Avengers wasn't more like what they expected. Presumably there may also be people who hated his prior work and may have love the Avengers because it lacked those things they didn't like about his prior work. Then there's folks like me who are largely indifferent to and not that familiar with his prior work, and for whom The Avengers stands all on its own.

that made it worth the 4 hours of my life.

The Avengers is only 142 minutes long.

When I thought "fleshed out characters portrayed by big actors, giving great one-liners, with action motivated by stories", the first movie that came to mind was The Expendables.

We have diametrically opposite definitions of the phrase "fleshed out." There wasn't a single character in The Expendables that had even a tiny amount of meaningful character development, in my opinion.

let me know if you need me to go away again.

Nope - just take the feedback you've been receiving to heart instead of ignoring it.

[For the record, had I seen your last full paragraph before I started this reply, I might have altered my tone somewhat. I don't mean to slap you down overly hard or interfere with your therapy in the least. I WOULD like to see you be able to contribute here in a way that's healthy and productive for you and for those you interact with, and at the moment that's not really happening. I hope you're able to adapt and stick around.]

[Grifman]

I've heard a lot of bad things about this avengers movie (like black widow gets more screen time than others)

Well, there's your problem. A movie gets 93% on RT, IMBD has it at 8.8, it sets box office records overseas and in the US on opening weekend, this thread is overwhelmingly favorable, if not gushing, and you say "you heard a lot of bad things about the movie". Exactly who are you getting your information from since it doesn't appear that you actually seen it yourself? Perhaps you should consider that your sources might not be all that reliable?

[Lordnine]

Having not seen the movie I’ll play devils advocate anyways! Rottentomatoes tallies whether or not critics liked a movie; it doesn’t really take into consideration how good the movie is. A movie either gets a 100% or a 0%. If you go to a site like Metacritic you can get a clearer (if flawed) representation of how much the movie was liked. On Metacritic the movie is sitting at 69%, which is still positive but a far cry from one of the best movies ever that Rottentomatoes would show.

[Grifman]

For the record, I have social issues that I am in therapy for. These couple of forums and games are the entirety of my social interaction beyond my wife and parents. I gave them up for a while because I kept being accused of trolling and my therapist says I got worse and needed to return. So here I am. If I am a burden, I will explain to her that I am so and she'll have to deal without. Part of the issue is that movies can affect me so I'm careful of what I watch, the butterfly effect was sort of a trigger that brought forth my social issues.

Anyway, let me know if you need me to go away again.

I appreciate you sharing that and I wish you the best. Just take a moment before deciding to crap on a thread. I've been guilty myself of doing that before and I regretted it afterwards.

Do keep posting, just think how what you say might be regarded.

[Paingod]

For the record, I have social issues that I am in therapy for. These couple of forums and games are the entirety of my social interaction beyond my wife and parents. I gave them up for a while because I kept being accused of trolling and my therapist says I got worse and needed to return. So here I am. If I am a burden, I will explain to her that I am so and she'll have to deal without. Part of the issue is that movies can affect me so I'm careful of what I watch, the butterfly effect was sort of a trigger that brought forth my social issues.

Anyway, let me know if you need me to go away again.

I have no diagnosed social disorders and am not in therapy and this forum constitutes 99% of my social interaction with people I don't work with or call family. My wife keeps telling me I should go find friends, but honestly as I get older I find myself more and more becoming a homebody that only wants to keep company with those I already care about. More people = more complications and my life is already overflowing with more complexity than I know how to handle some days just having 2 kids, a wife, and 15 dogs.

I appreciate you sharing that and I wish you the best. Just take a moment before deciding to crap on a thread. I've been guilty myself of doing that before and I regretted it afterwards.

Do keep posting, just think how what you say might be regarded.

I'm guilty of simply posting my thoughts without thinking about them and having people go up one side of me for it. I tend to do this in real life as well and it gets me in constant trouble with the wife. She doesn't like my unedited thoughts either. This is the primary reason why I never go into the R&P forums now.

[Carpet_pissr]

I have no diagnosed social disorders and am not in therapy and this forum constitutes 99% of my social interaction with people I don't work with or call family. My wife keeps telling me I should go find friends, but honestly as I get older I find myself more and more becoming a homebody that only wants to keep company with those I already care about. More people = more complications and my life is already overflowing with more complexity than I know how to handle some days just having 2 kids, a wife, and 15 dogs.

Me exactly. Well, almost. +1 kid, -14 of those dogs.

And I will go out with a college buddy of mine when he is in town (lives 2 hours away), but that is less and less common these days. I really believe you need to CULTIVATE friends though, and it's almost like work. I just happen to suck at it, or as you mentioned, don't feel like I have the time for it. I rarely if ever feel like I "need" to talk to someone, but my wife is the opposite...(which I think is a much more natural and healthy way to be)I'm such a disorganized, inefficient time manager that with everything going on...just normal "life" stuff, I don't have time to do a lot of things I like (exercise, paint, play piano, even putter in my yard) much less cultivating friendships. That is wayyyy down on my priority list, but at least I recognize that it probably SHOULD be higher.

/derail

[hepcat]

Honestly, I don't like any of you. Over the years, I've developed a feeling of contempt and disdain for every single one of you. The only I even remotely liked at any point was U2K...and you bastards drove him off.

[Remus West]

Honestly, I don't like any of you. Over the years, I've developed a feeling of contempt and disdain for every single one of you. The only I even remotely liked at any point was U2K...and you bastards drove him off.

I'll probably get banned for letting you in on this secret but this forum only exists in your mind. We are all figments of your imagination and the "Octocons" you so enjoy are merely hallucinations brought about by exposure to unsafe chemicals in hair product. Your mind has been unable to accept these facts. U2K was the only implant the doctors were able to sustain long enough to interact with your mental self in an attempt to break you free from here.

[hepcat]

So it's like the Matrix? Hmmm...you may have a point. I DO spend a lot of time naked and covered in gel.

[Remus West]

So it's like the Matrix? Hmmm...you may have a point. I DO spend a lot of time naked and covered in gel.

No, no, the Matrix served a purpose, battery life for the machines. We are just your psychotic breakdown manifesting itself.

[Combustible Lemur]

To comment on Expendables vs Avengers which I think is actually a fair connection to make.
Expendables is a Stallone vehicle, it's dark macho stoic, old school fighting choreography. It's like watching an eighties action movie. It's not that there wasn't character development it just wasn't developed to modern sensibilities. It was thus not that popular. From our perspective it was bad, to some bad in a good way.

Avengers on the other hand was bright, witty, incisive, loving. It was a Joss Whedon Vehicle. Joss Whedon can cover the darkest most horrible ideas around but you never loose that optimistic feel in the movie. In serenity even in the darkest moment that reach into you, the lighting is bright the characters are the witty, fun, family of characters you've grown to care about in the story. They are just dealing with the worst circumstances. It's what makes him so appealing to Nerds. Ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. (for all of Thor's power he feels like a normal-ish)
Expendables extraordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. Have you met anyone who talk and acts like those guys?

[Jaymon]

So it's like the Matrix? Hmmm...you may have a point. I DO spend a lot of time naked and covered in gel.

Is hepcat actually Chang?

[Tommy20]

Finally saw it tonight with Hentzau.



The first phrase that I thought of afterwards was "damn near perfect".

[hentzau]

Finally saw it tonight with Hentzau.



The first phrase that I thought of afterwards was "damn near perfect".

Yeah, it was great seeing it again. Especially since you paid for the ticket and dinner!

And let me say, for the record, that I approve of Gwyneth Paltrow in cut offs.

[Jag]

And let me say, for the record, that I approve of Gwyneth Paltrow in cut offs.

I was never a big fan of hers, but damn if she didn't look hot in this movie.

[Tommy20]

Yeah, it was great seeing it again. Especially since you paid for the ticket and dinner!

Just 'cause you got me drunk...

And let me say, for the record, that I approve of Gwyneth Paltrow in cut offs.

This.

[coopasonic]

Yeah, it was great seeing it again. Especially since you paid for the ticket and dinner!

Just 'cause you got me drunk...

Please don't tell us what happened next.

Add me to the list that enjoyed Pepper's apparel. Actually more than Scarlet. In fact I enjoyed Cobie Smulder more than Scarlet as well.

[GreenGoo]

And let me say, for the record, that I approve of Gwyneth Paltrow in cut offs.

I was never a big fan of hers, but damn if she didn't look hot in this movie.

Ditto to it all.

[Odin]

Yeah, it was great seeing it again. Especially since you paid for the ticket and dinner!

Just 'cause you got me drunk...

Please don't tell us what happened next.

Add me to the list that enjoyed Pepper's apparel. Actually more than Scarlet. In fact I enjoyed Cobie Smulder more than Scarlet as well.

Cobie was smokin' hot. We need to see more of her (and less of her clothes). Scarlett was mostly decent, but I remember when she first walked onto the SHIELD carrier and they showed a shot of her ass in a pair of tight jeans, all I could think was "those jeans make her ass look fat." Seriously, ladies, if I'm thinking about your clothes instead of just drooling over your ass, there's something horrifically wrong with your apparel. We know there's nothing wrong with her ass.

[YellowKing]

I will jump on the bandwagon. Gwyneth has never done much for me either, but those tall legs in those cutoffs - I mean, what's a man to do? That had to add at least 3 points to her hotness score.

ScarJo is the ultimate good/bad/ugly. You never know what you're going to get. I have seen her look achingly smoking hot, and I have seen her look like a man in drag. Then there's the Avengers, where she was somewhere in between.

Robin, I mean Colbie Smulders, was wasted in that uniform all movie. As much as I like her looks though, she needs to stick to TV. Completely unmemorable in the film.

And if I had to have sex with a male Avenger, it would be Robert Downey all the way.

[Smoove_B]

And if I had to have sex with a male Avenger, it would be Robert Downey all the way.

[Odin]

Gwyneth has never done much for me either, but those tall legs in those cutoffs - I mean, what's a man to do? That had to add at least 3 points to her hotness score.

I generally like Paltrow, so the cutoffs were just icing on the cake for me.

Cobie Smulders, was wasted in that uniform all movie. As much as I like her looks though, she needs to stick to TV. Completely unmemorable in the film.

I found her to be quite memorable - to the point where I came home and looked her up on IMDB to find out who she was.

I have no strong opinion on which male Avenger I'd prefer to be raped by. Hulk would be worst, obviously.

[coopasonic]

And if I had to have sex with a male Avenger, it would be Robert Downey all the way.

Thor for me. Like the fist of an angry god, anyone?

[hepcat]

Thankfully she isn't Gwyneth Paltrow in the movie. I've heard and read some of Gwyneth Paltrow's musings and I'm pretty sure she would have been pushed off Stark Tower in the opening scenes if she were playing herself.

[Odin]

Thankfully she isn't Gwyneth Paltrow in the movie. I've heard and read some of Gwyneth Paltrow's musings and I'm pretty sure she would have been pushed off Stark Tower in the opening scenes if she were playing herself.

If you consider the number of scientologists, serious substance addicts, and other kooks in Hollywood, you pretty much have to separate the actor from their work if humanly possible.

[Teggy]

I have no strong opinion on which male Avenger I'd prefer to be raped by. Hulk would be worst, obviously.

Anyone in need of a sig?

[Smoove_B]

Hulk would be worst, obviously.

Anyone in need of a sig?

[DD*]

Hulk would be worst, obviously.

Anyone in need of a sig?

That is both disgusting and absolutely hilarious. Well done.

[Odin]

Oh! I get it!! Ha!

Took me a while.

[SlapBone]

Oh! I get it!! Ha!

Took me a while.

just had to keep "going there" until you reached the right "there"


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