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by **Zaxxon** » Tue May 08, 2012 2:02 pm

Odin wrote:I wasn't a big fan of this episode. I felt that practically every scene was kind of meh. The one big exception was the death of Amory Lorch. That was pure awesome and I laughed out loud, cheered, then rewound and watched it three more times.

I'm on the fence. The episode worked, but it basically ignored the book in every. freaking. scene. Not sure I'm OK with that level of change.

by **Odin** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:14 pm

Zaxxon wrote:
Odin wrote:I wasn't a big fan of this episode. I felt that practically every scene was kind of meh. The one big exception was the death of Amory Lorch. That was pure awesome and I laughed out loud, cheered, then rewound and watched it three more times.

I'm on the fence. The episode worked, but it basically ignored the book in every. freaking. scene. Not sure I'm OK with that level of change.

Yeah, that was also an issue for me (though not the primary one - the primary issue was that it just wasn't as engaging an episode as I've grown used to). But I agree that I'm not sure I'm ready for the series to use the books as a loose guideline.

by **TiLT** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:17 pm

The only change I'm having trouble accepting is Irri's death. There's an alarming amount of people who have been killed in the show but who should have stayed alive longer. Irri is particularly vexing in that regard. At least the actress was relieved that she wouldn't have to deal with her lesbian scene next season.

by **dedewhale** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:21 pm

TiLT wrote:The only change I'm having trouble accepting is Irri's death. There's an alarming amount of people who have been killed in the show but who should have stayed alive longer. Irri is particularly vexing in that regard. At least the actress was relieved that she wouldn't have to deal with her lesbian scene next season.

irri...who are you talking about? Are you sure you have the right show?

by **dedewhale** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:22 pm

dupe post from phone

by **Odin** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:22 pm

TiLT wrote:The only change I'm having trouble accepting is Irri's death. There's an alarming amount of people who have been killed in the show but who should have stayed alive longer. Irri is particularly vexing in that regard. At least the actress was relieved that she wouldn't have to deal with her lesbian scene next season.

This is known.

Er, I mean, yeah, the show's losing people left and right - people who aren't supposed to be dead yet or, in some case, aren't supposed to die at all (at least up through the latest book). I realize that it must be a huge cast (and growing), but still.

by **TiLT** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:25 pm

dedewhale wrote:
TiLT wrote:The only change I'm having trouble accepting is Irri's death. There's an alarming amount of people who have been killed in the show but who should have stayed alive longer. Irri is particularly vexing in that regard. At least the actress was relieved that she wouldn't have to deal with her lesbian scene next season.

irri...who are you talking about? Are you sure you have the right show?

Ho ho! You need to get up to speed with your Game of Thrones characters, pal!

This is Irri. The episode seems to leave her fate up in the air, but she revealed in a fresh interview that she is indeed dead. They had even filmed a death scene (she gets garroted from behind) which ended up unused.

by **Odin** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:31 am

WTF? Did the guy who wrote this episode even READ the books? Other than the scene with Catelyn and Jamie, or Theon's revelation at the end, I don't know if more than a minute of the rest of the episode matched the book in the slightest.

by **dedewhale** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:43 am

Luckily its this directors last ep. I am giving this a pass but actually kind of disinterested with the episode, not that the fact that it differed from the book but it was generic and didnt have any of the same pizazz of the first season and beginning of the 2nd.

the whole Qarth stuff is crap and even worse then the bore fest of the books.

by **Zaxxon** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:44 am

Odin wrote:WTF? Did the guy who wrote this episode even READ the books? Other than the scene with Catelyn and Jamie, or Theon's revelation at the end, I don't know if more than a minute of the rest of the episode matched the book in the slightest.

Yeah, not sure. This and the previous had the same director, as well. Hopefully next week (GRRM's episode) gets us back on track.

I can see the impetus for some of these changes, but agree that many seem a bit off the wall.

Spoiler:

by **Exodor** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:47 am

I believe this episode was written by the two co-producers who are the driving force behind the show (David Benioff and D. B. Weiss)

Perhaps it's time to accept that the TV show is not the books and simply enjoy them as they are?

Although as a non-book reader the whining that explodes all over the internet after each change can be really entertaining. :mrgreen:

by **Zaxxon** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:47 am

Also, FWIW my hasn't-read-the-books wife thought these last 2 episodes were the best of the season so far. So while they've been loose with the book material, they've apparently moved the story along in an entertaining fashion.

by **pr0ner** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:51 am

Re: Theon

Spoiler:

As for other parts of the show going away from the books, I really don't care. Awesome show is still awesome.

by **Redfive** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:55 am

I know the whole Arya / Tywin stuff is off of the reservation but I love their scenes --especially last night with the 'milord' / 'my lord'

My wife watches with me and has never read the books and never will. She likes the show but isn't as invested as me. When Tywin busted Arya last night she said something to the effect of 'holy sh*t' which is exactly what I was thinking.

There may be issues with the TV show changes affecting the motivations of characters from the books, but I for one am thankful the show is even on and is doing as well as it is. I just think it's good TV and that is rare enough these days.

EDIT: heh or what pr0ner said while I was typing.

by **Odin** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:59 am

Exodor wrote:I believe this episode was written by the two co-producers who are the driving force behind the show (David Benioff and D. B. Weiss)

Perhaps it's time to accept that the TV show is not the books and simply enjoy them as they are?

I suppose it's a matter of expectations. Season 1 was generally pretty close to the novel. That set an expectation that the series was going to be generally pretty close to the novels. It then comes as a surprise when they deviate completely from Martin's story.

by **Zaxxon** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:18 am

Redfive wrote:I know the whole Arya / Tywin stuff is off of the reservation but I love their scenes --especially last night with the 'milord' / 'my lord'

My wife watches with me and has never read the books and never will. She likes the show but isn't as invested as me. When Tywin busted Arya last night she said something to the effect of 'holy sh*t' which is exactly what I was thinking.

There may be issues with the TV show changes affecting the motivations of characters from the books, but I for one am thankful the show is even on and is doing as well as it is. I just think it's good TV and that is rare enough these days.

EDIT: heh or what pr0ner said while I was typing.

I've enjoyed the Tywin/Arya stuff, as well. It's not in the books, but I don't think it's out of character for the books. The Tywin in those scenes is the Tywin I know and love from the books. As is the Arya. The Robb that we're seeing much more of is the Robb I know from the books. Joffrey's a more pronounced waste of flesh in the show, but he's still a waste of flesh in the books. Etc.

Most of the bitching I do about book-to-show changes is not because I think DB/Dan are making poor changes. It's because 1) it makes the show more confusing for me because I have to keep track of 2 diverging sets of details (and this story is full of so many details it's hard enough with 1 set!) and 2) some of the scenes and characters they're chopping out from the books are pretty beloved.

by **Odin** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:29 am

Zaxxon wrote:Most of the bitching I do about book-to-show changes is not because I think DB/Dan are making poor changes. It's because 1) it makes the show more confusing for me because I have to keep track of 2 diverging sets of details (and this story is full of so many details it's hard enough with 1 set!) and 2) some of the scenes and characters they're chopping out from the books are pretty beloved.

That's pretty much my feeling exactly. I'd also add 3) I have a sense of what's supposed to be coming, and when I see changes that appear to make some element of the story impossible, I get antsy. Especially when that future stuff seems/feels critical to the plot. So I do a lot of, "WTF? If they cut that character, how can such-and-so ever happen??"

by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:43 pm

While there was certainly a lot changed from the book, I thought last night's episode was one of the better written episodes this season. The scenes with Tywin/Arya, Cersei/Tyrion, and Cat/Jaime were great.

by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:56 pm

Zaxxon wrote: Hopefully next week (GRRM's episode) gets us back on track.

I think GRMM's episode is two weeks from now (i.e. episode 9 aka

Spoiler:

by **Zaxxon** » Mon May 14, 2012 2:15 pm

Ah, yes. For some reason I thought it was #8.

by **Inverarity** » Mon May 14, 2012 7:32 pm

Last night's episode (episode 7) was much better than episode 6. I was thoroughly entertained and other than Stannis, we pretty much covered every character (pretty much).

I can't believe there are only three episodes to go.

by **Exodor** » Mon May 14, 2012 7:38 pm

So were the crispy critters hanging from ropes Bran and Rickon or the two orphans sent to the farm an episode or two previously?

No book spoilers, just opinions please.

by **Odin** » Mon May 14, 2012 7:44 pm

Exodor wrote:So were the crispy critters hanging from ropes Bran and Rickon or the two orphans sent to the farm an episode or two previously?

No book spoilers, just opinions please.

My opinion is that I absolutely know the answer and ought not to respond.

(assuming the writers don't pull a fast one and completely change what happened in the books)

by **Inverarity** » Tue May 15, 2012 12:04 am

My opinion: defintely not Bran or Rickon, but made to look like that by Theon. Keep in mind, they are travelling with two full-sized dire wolves. No way they're getting the little lords without a bloody fight.

by **Exodor** » Tue May 15, 2012 12:22 am

Inverarity wrote:My opinion: defintely not Bran or Rickon, but made to look like that by Theon. Keep in mind, they are travelling with two full-sized dire wolves. No way they're getting the little lords without a bloody fight.

True. Also Hodor and Osha are conspicuously absent.

by **Hyena** » Tue May 15, 2012 12:24 am

Exodor wrote:
Inverarity wrote:My opinion: defintely not Bran or Rickon, but made to look like that by Theon. Keep in mind, they are travelling with two full-sized dire wolves. No way they're getting the little lords without a bloody fight.

True. Also Hodor and Osha are conspicuously absent.

Hodor!

by **Jag** » Tue May 15, 2012 8:57 am

Odin wrote:
Exodor wrote:So were the crispy critters hanging from ropes Bran and Rickon or the two orphans sent to the farm an episode or two previously?

No book spoilers, just opinions please.

My opinion is that I absolutely know the answer and ought not to respond.

(assuming the writers don't pull a fast one and completely change what happened in the books)

My wife asked me and I spoiled it for her. The answer is

Spoiler:

if you want to know.

Regarding the remaining 2 episodes (book spoilers)

Spoiler:

by **pr0ner** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:01 am

DO NOT READ if you haven't read books 2-3.

Spoiler:

by **TiLT** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:02 am

Jag wrote:Regarding the remaining 2 episodes (book spoilers)

Spoiler:
I know Blackwater is 9, but what about the Red Wedding?? Wasn't that in Book 2? Other than the 'love interest' I don't see how they can give it enough time UNLESS they do a dual Red Wedding/Blackwater in Ep 9??

I guess that would make the most sense as a cliffhanger to keep people on edge until S3.

What's up with people saying there are only 2 episodes left? There are 3 to go: Episodes 8, 9 and 10.

As for your spoiler:

Spoiler:

by **Jag** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:22 am

Ok. I guess my book chronology was off.

HBO said there were 'only 2 episodes left' after this past Sunday's ep. I'm not tracking the episodes, just going based on what they said.

by **pr0ner** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:24 am

Jag wrote:Ok. I guess my book chronology was off.

HBO said there were 'only 2 episodes left' after this past Sunday's ep. I'm not tracking the episodes, just going based on what they said.

I thought it was weird that HBO said there were only two episodes left in the preview for next week, too.

by **Exodor** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:42 am

pr0ner wrote:
Jag wrote:Ok. I guess my book chronology was off.

HBO said there were 'only 2 episodes left' after this past Sunday's ep. I'm not tracking the episodes, just going based on what they said.

I thought it was weird that HBO said there were only two episodes left in the preview for next week, too.

Two episodes until the season finale, I think.

by **hepcat** » Tue May 15, 2012 1:10 pm

I keep expecting Theon Greyjoy to utter the phrase, "I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids!"

by **Exodor** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:45 pm

I want to read page 47. :cry:

Although it probably just looks like this:

Spoiler:

by **gameoverman** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:06 pm

I think this last episode shows what good actors bring to a tv show or movie.

All those scenes of characters just talking to each other, and yet I was riveted. The girl dueling with the Lannister patriarch was great. I especially liked how she still acted like a kid, a clever kid but still a kid. The old guy also caught on, but only so far. It made for a tense, unpredictable scene.

The dragon girl's story is the one that's lagging but with baby dragons that is inevitable. If she was capable of doing much with small dragons she wouldn't have had to beg to get in the city to start with. It's sort of comical how she thinks anyone is going to front her ships when she demonstrates no means or ability to even sail back to her homeland, much less win a war. So what do you do with her character while the dragons grow? rhetorical question btw

by **theohall** » Wed May 16, 2012 1:17 pm

On the Twyin/Arya stuff:

Spoiler:

by **Redfive** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:39 pm

That's an interesting angle and makes sense, even if a complete departure from the books. Then again their whole interaction already is a complete departure of course.

by **Odin** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:47 pm

Redfive wrote:That's an interesting angle and makes sense, even if a complete departure from the books. Then again their whole interaction already is a complete departure of course.

Yeah, 30% of it is stuff that was supposed to be said by a totally different character, and the rest is just made up.

by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:47 pm

If that were the case, I can't imagine he wouldn't immediately take her prisoner. You can't have a Starke girl running around and potentially escaping when she's supposed to be one of the biggest chips your family has to keep Robb somewhat in check.

by **Toe** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:57 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:If that were the case, I can't imagine he wouldn't immediately take her prisoner. You can't have a Starke girl running around and potentially escaping when she's supposed to be one of the biggest chips your family has to keep Robb somewhat in check.

Yeah, I agree (although I think the reasoning would be more to use her to get Jamie back, not necessarily to keep Robb in check).

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