The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

[Grundbegriff]

Why the hell would Yoda use his secret vote on this? And if he did, why would that make Grund evil? How would Yoda know?

Maybe redrun is claiming Yoda. He's already claimed Special (sort of).

[Grundbegriff]

How is this consistent with your claim that you had placed a hidden vote?
What would be the point of both casting a hidden vote and enforcing a double margin?

I have always been concerned with N-2 - not for me, but for a Dooku. I gave warning to you - since my visible vote was on Stess I could have turned your N-2 yesterday into a lynch (with both votes). But, if we're running people up to N-1, Dooku could turn that into a kill. Also, if you were killed at N-2, then we'd KNOW one of the Imps is Dooku.

Does that clear it up a bit?

No.

If we're only ever going to take Bubba to N-2, to safeguard Bubba from Dookuage, then what's the point of ensuring that Bubba is secretly at N-1, unbeknownst to everyone but you?

[purge]

I wasn't testing for dooku, merely insulating.

I was going to hop over to the Grund train if you didn't pipe up and have you tested. You did pipe up, which kept you in this game (at that time).

[Austin]

Don't you people sleep?

[purge]

Worked from 10pm to midnight. Picked up Diablo III, finished off some work, and then fired it up and got it set up.


Too many timeouts to get in right (character creation fails due to overload)

[Lagom Lite]

Not buying it.

 purge 
 

[Lagom Lite]

Here's the deal.

Yoda is easily spoofed by the bad guys. If you were truly Yoda, purge, you would have mulled over your power and how to best use it, and compared it to other roles in the game.

What really damns you, is this:

Whichever person you folks come up with as a lynch target, I will cast the final vote to prove myself.

You can't prove yourself. Dooku can fake your role. Since you're no dummy, surely you've realized this?

Therefore, you're decieving. Therefore, you're lying. Therefore, you're Empire.

[Lagom Lite]

OK, so purge is now our geiger counter.

If he has already placed a Yoda vote, he should name the target.

We should consider that person among today's candidates for Rebel Justice.

That is an interesting thought.

[bb2112]

Day 2 Vote

1. Isgrimnur ---------------> Purge, Grundbegriff
2. El Guapo ---------------->
3. Qantaga ----------------> Lagom Lite, Purge, Lagom Lite
4. RMC ---------------------> Purge
5. Lassr --------------------> El Guapo, Purge
6. Mr. Bubbles -------------> Grundbegriff, Purge
7. Coopasonic -------------> Grundbegriff
8. Chaosraven -------------> Purge, Purge
9. Remus West ------------> Grundbegriff, Purge, Grundbegriff
10. Scoop20906 ------------>
11. Jow ---------------------> Grundbegriff
12. Grundbegriff ----------> Purge, Theohall
13. Theohall ---------------> Grundbegriff
14. Tru1cy -----------------> Purge
15. Purge ------------------> Unagi, Theohall
16. Lord Mortis -----------> Grundbegriff, Purge
17. Austin -----------------> Purge, Grundbegriff, Purge, Grundbegriff, Purge, Mr. Bubbles
18. Unagi ------------------> Purge, Grundbegriff, Purge
19. Triggercut ------------> Purge, Scoop20906
20. Newcastle -------------> Purge, Lord Mortis
21. Warpig ----------------> Grundbegriff
22. Lagom Lite -----------> Grundbegriff, Purge, Purge

6 Grundbegriff <------------------- Theohall, Coopasonic, Warpig, Jow, Remus West, Isgrimnur
5 Purge <---------------------------- Lassr, Unagi, Lord Mortis, Mr. Bubbles, Lagom Lite
2 Theohall <------------------------ Purge, Grundbegriff
1 Lord Mortis <--------------------- Newcastle
1 Lagom Lite <--------------------- Qantaga
1 Mr. Bubbles <--------------------- Austin

No Votes:
El Guapo, RMC, Scoop20906, Tru1cy, Chaosraven, Triggercut

Majority is 12

Dead
Day 1 <------------ Stessier - Syringed
Night 1 <---------- Redrun - Garroted

Deadline is May 21st 9PM Eastern

Day: All day actions happen first come first served
Count Dooku: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Yoda: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Darth Maul: Who will you take with you to the afterlife?
Boba Fett: Who will you protect from the lynch?
Admiral Ackbar: Will you public declare?
Rukh: Who will you assassinate?
Boba Fett: If your scan reveals a Rebel, will you kill the Rebel?
Greedo: Who will you shoot?
Leia Organa: Who will you stun?
Vader: Who will you choke to death?
R2D2: Who will receive your 3 secret votes for a lynch?
C3PO: Will you ask the Mod through PM what role started in the game?
Chewbacca: Who's arms will you tear off?
Han Solo: Will you initiate a block? If so on who?
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Get’s Rebel or Citizen if there is a successful lynch of a Rebel or Citizen.

Anytime:
Rukh: If you have identified Thrawn, you may interrupt any kill on Thrawn and sacrifice yourself instead.
Cad Bane: Name the player you want to disable.
Admiral Ackbar: Did you meet your secret agenda? If so PM the Mod.

[Unagi]

6." Post subject: Re: FLTA The Empire Strikes Back - Game On - Day 1" - Fear Leads To Anger

Re: FLTA The Empire Strikes Back - Game On - Day 1

THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS??? I SPENT LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THOSE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE HELL THE FLTA CAME FROM AND WHY!!!!

I do believe you are in on it.

[Unagi]

I wasn't testing for dooku, merely insulating.

I was going to hop over to the Grund train if you didn't pipe up and have you tested. You did pipe up, which kept you in this game (at that time).

Wow. Could you imagine the hot water you would be in?

At n-2, eventually you would move to the Grund train and he'd be lynched.

You would either say: 'oh my, what happened there?'
Or
'that was my doing, but don't panic, I'm Yoda'.


If we could find an imperial , we could have you secret vote on him.
That would prove you, over a fake dooku. But, your play seems so odd that I just don't even really feel like waiting for that.

And then we have CR that sits on that odd Post header he was ''up all night ringing his hands over"

Stessier implies that dooku's not in the game, or his vote was already in play.

Sadly, there is a large part of me that thinks there is a reasonable chance a 'purge-Yoda' actually did just muck this up for himself.

Additionally, purge, I could very well see you placing those Hints (most CLEARLY are indeed Yoda hints) in if you got the dooku role at the start of the game.

[Austin]

Purge and Grund are both voting for theohall.

[Unagi]

What really damns you, is this:

Whichever person you folks come up with as a lynch target, I will cast the final vote to prove ....

You weren't paying attention to the last game.

Purge plays with a background thought that he will be somewhat trusted.

He made statements like that throughout the last game, which drove Remus nutso.

The thing you condemn him for, is what I hold to as a reason I think he's really Yoda.

[purge]

Purge plays with a background thought that he will be somewhat trusted.

He made statements like that throughout the last game, which drove Remus nutso.

The thing you condemn him for, is what I hold to as a reason I think he's really Yoda.

Thank you for stating it that way. Next time we play, I will consider that in all of my interactions. I'm not going to change it this time, or Theo will go up another octave.

[Lassr]

Worked from 10pm to midnight. Picked up Diablo III

Not buying it.

 purge 
 

Not buying Diablo III? Why vote against Purge for that!?

[Remus West]

OK, so purge is now our geiger counter.

If he has already placed a Yoda vote, he should name the target.

We should consider that person among today's candidates for Rebel Justice.

He already said he would cast the hiddeen vote at the target of our choosing. Are you paying attention?

[Remus West]

What really damns you, is this:

Whichever person you folks come up with as a lynch target, I will cast the final vote to prove ....

You weren't paying attention to the last game.

Purge plays with a background thought that he will be somewhat trusted.

He made statements like that throughout the last game, which drove Remus nutso.

The thing you condemn him for, is what I hold to as a reason I think he's really Yoda.

This is what I'm thinking too. purge's actions and thoughts, again, seem to carry the idea that he can garner some trust. Ironically since they failed to do so last game they are succeeding a bit this game.

[Lassr]

I'm conflicted because I can really see Purge over playing the hints this game after the last game when he was Green Lantern. But there will always be that bit of doubt in my mind unless we can do as Scoop says and hit an imperial today because Dooku would not be able to cast an over vote against his buddy.

SO we allow Purge to over vote and we hit a rebel then tomorrow we have to deal with this again. But I'm willing to give it a shot at hitting a bad guy. Is that target Grund?

[Chaosraven]

Enough people seem to think so.

[Lagom Lite]

I'm conflicted because I can really see Purge over playing the hints this game after the last game when he was Green Lantern. But there will always be that bit of doubt in my mind unless we can do as Scoop says and hit an imperial today because Dooku would not be able to cast an over vote against his buddy.

SO we allow Purge to over vote and we hit a rebel then tomorrow we have to deal with this again. But I'm willing to give it a shot at hitting a bad guy. Is that target Grund?

Fair enough, I'm game.

 withdraw purge 
 


 Grundbegriff 
 

[Chaosraven]

6." Post subject: Re: FLTA The Empire Strikes Back - Game On - Day 1" - Fear Leads To Anger

Re: FLTA The Empire Strikes Back - Game On - Day 1

THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS??? I SPENT LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THOSE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE HELL THE FLTA CAME FROM AND WHY!!!!

I do believe you are in on it.

Yeah, because I'd link myself to a currently suspected in such a fashion. I get suspected enough thanks.

BECAUSE I AM VERY HELPFUL

[Remus West]

Now then, lets look at grund - who seems to be trying to revive the push on purge.

Day 1 claimed that Yoda was leaking hints. Did he mean purge or someone else? Hard to say since he avoided answering the question but I think it safe to say that with 15 hints out there Grund woould have spotted at least a few of them and thus was addressing purge.
Day 2 comes into the day and joins the push to lynch the guy he thinks is leaking Yoda hints?
Makes a comment that I regarding trusting triggercut that I took to be a claim of Talon Karrde when the train on him was starting to gain momentum.

So Grundbregriff's actions today have been to push for someone he thought was special to get outed and, when he was being run up himself, to make a comment that could have outed our Seer. If he really did not think purge was Yoda but an imperial preparing to spoof then why pull the vote and target theohall?

This is Evil Grund.

 Grundbegriff 
 

[RMC]

Purge plays with a background thought that he will be somewhat trusted.

He made statements like that throughout the last game, which drove Remus nutso.

The thing you condemn him for, is what I hold to as a reason I think he's really Yoda.

Thank you for stating it that way. Next time we play, I will consider that in all of my interactions. I'm not going to change it this time, or Theo will go up another octave.

But it didn't work last game, so why continue to do this? Hell last game, we all were still considering you a possible bad guy up until the last lynch. Just sayin.

[Lassr]

 Grundbegriff 
 

[Chaosraven]

 grundbegriff 
 



8 Grundbegriff <------------------- Theohall, Coopasonic, Warpig, Jow, Remus West, Isgrimnur, Lagom Lite, Chaosraven
4 Purge <---------------------------- Lassr, Unagi, Lord Mortis, Mr. Bubbles
2 Theohall <------------------------ Purge, Grundbegriff
1 Lord Mortis <--------------------- Newcastle
1 Lagom Lite <--------------------- Qantaga
1 Mr. Bubbles <--------------------- Austin

No Votes:
El Guapo, RMC, Scoop20906, Tru1cy, Triggercut

[Chaosraven]

9 Grundbegriff <------------------- Theohall, Coopasonic, Warpig, Jow, Remus West, Isgrimnur, Lagom Lite, Chaosraven, Lassr
3 Purge <---------------------------- Unagi, Lord Mortis, Mr. Bubbles
2 Theohall <------------------------ Purge, Grundbegriff
1 Lord Mortis <--------------------- Newcastle
1 Lagom Lite <--------------------- Qantaga
1 Mr. Bubbles <--------------------- Austin

No Votes:
El Guapo, RMC, Scoop20906, Tru1cy, Triggercut

[RMC]

What is the critical mass here for the vote?

Don't want to lynch Grund with the last vote accidentally.

[Unagi]

I'm conflicted because I can really see Purge over playing the hints this game after the last game when he was Green Lantern. But there will always be that bit of doubt in my mind unless we can do as Scoop says and hit an imperial today because Dooku would not be able to cast an over vote against his buddy.

SO we allow Purge to over vote and we hit a rebel then tomorrow we have to deal with this again. But I'm willing to give it a shot at hitting a bad guy. Is that target Grund?

Fair enough, I'm game.

 withdraw purge 
 


 Grundbegriff 
 

You've had a lot of trouble not just blowing with the wind in this game.

[Chaosraven]

What is the critical mass here for the vote?

Don't want to lynch Grund with the last vote accidentally.

Majority is 12

So when it has 10, everyone leave it alone

[coopasonic]

What is the critical mass here for the vote?

Don't want to lynch Grund with the last vote accidentally.

Majorioty is 12, I believe we are at 8. purge can add 2. If we get to 10 purge could end the day.

[Unagi]

What is the critical mass here for the vote?

Don't want to lynch Grund with the last vote accidentally.

I'm onboard testing with Grund too, but I think we may be near the critical mass.

I'd let BB come in with an official update and let purge come in and tell us that he's done his business, etc.

[Unagi]

ok, so this is 9?

 Grundbegriff 
 

[Chaosraven]

We are at nine.

NUMBER NINE NUMBER NINE NUMBER NINE

[Chaosraven]

ok, so this is 9?

 Grundbegriff 
 

THAT'S TEN.

NOBODY MOVE

[Unagi]

We should STOP HERE.

and let Grund say his 2 cents.

If Grund is a Special Good Guy, and we go to 10 - and purge is evil, he could swoop in and kill Grund before he has a chance to pipe up.

[coopasonic]

ok, so this is 9?

 Grundbegriff 
 

THAT'S TEN.

NOBODY MOVE

Ack sorry, CRs back to back updates threw me off.

[Chaosraven]

10 Grundbegriff <------------------- Theohall, Coopasonic, Warpig, Jow, Remus West, Isgrimnur, Lagom Lite, Chaosraven, Lassr, Unagi
2 Purge <---------------------------- Lord Mortis, Mr. Bubbles
2 Theohall <------------------------ Purge, Grundbegriff
1 Lord Mortis <--------------------- Newcastle
1 Lagom Lite <--------------------- Qantaga
1 Mr. Bubbles <--------------------- Austin

No Votes:
El Guapo, RMC, Scoop20906, Tru1cy, Triggercut

Unofficial, but from this page.

[Austin]

Okay.  Grundbegriff 
 


That should be 9 then.

[El Guapo]

We should stop at 9, I think. I'd like for Grund to reply to Remus' arguments above. Also if anyone has any case against Grund that Remus didn't cover, then that would be helpful as well.

The purge plan seems plausible, though I do wonder what we do if Grund comes back rebel. Lynch purge tomorrow (if he's still alive)? If both Grund and purge wind up being rebel, that could be fairly disastrous.

[Unagi]

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 


We should wait at 9, not 10.