The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

[RMC]

If Grund comes back good, does this prove Triggercut to everyone?

And then we can all reflect that a typo, which I am sure most of us have made caused us to lynch our seer.

Not saying this is the case, but I certainly suspect it is..

If I am wrong, then great we got a bad guy..But I just can't see being wrong on this..

[triggercut]

I am Empire, obviously.

No. I won't let that go.

You are one spectacularly dim bulb.

[triggercut]

In fact, after the "I was posting in another forum" gaffe of day 1, I'm casting what I now realize is likely to be nothing more than a protest vote, but a vote nonetheless so I can "told you so" to everyone at the end of the game.

 theohall 
 


Dude begs for leniency when he makes a mistake one day, then suspects any and/or all Rebel Specials that come out the next day

I'd almost guess that he's trying to either land himself in a vote train that gets a Rebel special or Jedi lynched.

[Scoop20906]

Wow, what crazy game. Qantaga pushes Grund to 10 and now Purge who has been posting every 10 seconds is nowhere to be found.

Imps stalling for time? Maybe purge can't secret vote for Grund. That would explain why he pushed so hard not to vote Grund.

At what point do we call Purge's bluff?

Deadline is looming.

[Isgrimnur]

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 


This ought to make tomorrow very interesting.

Whose strings shall we dance to then?

[triggercut]

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 


This ought to make tomorrow very interesting.

Whose strings shall we dance to then?

If we don't syringe anyone today, I hope and pray that Grundbegriff is indeed who he says he is, and that he delivers us actionable information in some form or another.

[coopasonic]

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 


This ought to make tomorrow very interesting.

Whose strings shall we dance to then?

Is your intent to prevent a lynch?

[Grundbegriff]

We have less than an hour now.

The Empire would like nothing more than to prevent us from lynching, since that is the one and only way to make progress against them.

May I reiterate my suggestion that we test Unagi?

From a logistical standpoint, that's the easiest wagon to achieve in this time frame.

If not Unagi, then we had better test someone whose enough of a consensus choice to garner the requisite dozen votes in less than an hour.

[Grundbegriff]

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 

Is your intent to prevent a lynch?

If it's his intent to prevent a lynch of me, then that's a Good Thing. Bein' that I'm the Seer and all....

[Unagi]

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 

This ought to make tomorrow very interesting.
Whose strings shall we dance to then?

?

What ever happened to this guy?

In the interest of fair play, I'll even up the vote counts.
 Grundbegriff 
 

I'm not completely sold on either frontrunner today, but we can't go to night without a lynch and there's no time to get another train rolling.
So RMC, Qantaga, or Scoop, I guess, gets to decide where Purge goes all ballot-stuffing.

Wow, just... are you kidding?

Nope. If I don't vote, I'm going to get pilloried for wanting to move to night without a vote. If I vote off the main trains, the same is going to happen.

I know there are wolves on both trains. There have to be. There's probably one not on the train. But there's not enough time for me to parse and get something formulated today.

[RMC]

Where the heck is purge anyway? 45 minutes to deadline.

I don't think Unagi is a bad guy, and I don't think Grund should be put to the torch on the day he comes out.

So who should we vote on?

[Chaosraven]

Where the heck is purge anyway? 45 minutes to deadline.

I don't think Unagi is a bad guy, and I don't think Grund should be put to the torch on the day he comes out.

So who should we vote on?

Based on his pullback, I would say Isgrimnur.

[triggercut]

theohall is an Imperial.

I'm very sure of it now.

Sequence of events:

1. Grund has a vote count run up on him.

2. Grund says he's Talon Karrde.

3. For almost a day this goes unchallenged. Folks remove votes.

4. I make my infamous "I'm Empire" gaffe.

5. theohall seizes upon this gaffe as evidence of some sort of Empire plot that I just screwed up. My statement somehow proves that Grundbegriff and I are both Empire.

6. theohall continues with the misapprehension that I am Qui Gon because of a brief mention of same.

7. Qui Gon-ness is cleared up for theohall. With the understanding that I am unpowered, and that Grund may be the Rebel Scanner, theohall persists in espousing a theory in which my "I'm Empire" misstatement implicates both Grundbegriff and I, because I have mis-spoken. That's the only reason.

8. By logic, one can see that if theo's postulate is true, then I must be Empire. Hanging me would prove or disprove his own theory to him.

9. theohall is uninterested in that log, and persists in saying "triggercut is Empire, that's why I'm voting for Grundbegriff."

10. Why is theohall doing that? Why is he passing over me--someone willing to swing for the good of the Village, and going after Grundbegriff?

10a.) If I am as Empire as theohall believes, why does he think Grundbegriff has better/more special powers than I do? I mean, if I'm Empire, I'm powered, right?

11. Conclusion to be reached: theohall very much wants to hang a Rebel Special today (see also: his statements against purge), and wishes to do so because he is part of the Empire.

[triggercut]

I continue to volunteer to hang, btw.

Just remember what I wrote about theohall.

[Unagi]

Scoop, tru1cy?

Grund, do you think it's odd that tru1cy didn't join the vote against me?

[triggercut]

Scoop, tru1cy?

Grund, do you think it's odd that tru1cy didn't join the vote against me?

I do, fwiw.

[triggercut]

Scoop, tru1cy?

Grund, do you think it's odd that tru1cy didn't join the vote against me?

I do, fwiw.

Or, should say, I think it's odd that he voted for Grundbegriff, period, regardless of his other choice. Others have at least stated reasoning, whether flawed or otherwise for their votes.

tru1cy has not.

[coopasonic]

 Isgrimnur 
 

[coopasonic]

Last ditch effort his backing off grund at this point is nuts.

[triggercut]

Last ditch effort his backing off grund at this point is nuts.

Unless Grundbegriff is our scanner, in which case he may have saved the rebels.

[Grundbegriff]

Scoop, tru1cy?

Grund, do you think it's odd that tru1cy didn't join the vote against me?

Not particularly. tru1cy very often votes against me in bandwagons. Under these ambiguous circumstances, I can understand why he'd leave his vote on me.

BTW, my assessment of his behavior should not be taken in any sense as an assessment of his alignment; if he's Empire, then obviously he's safe in leaving his vote against me, and motivated to do so.

As for Scoop, I have no idea how to read him at this point.

triggercut: you may be right about theohall. But perhaps he's just obsessing the way he sometimes does. Hard to tell with him, since he tends to fixate.

[Scoop20906]

Scoop, tru1cy?

Grund, do you think it's odd that tru1cy didn't join the vote against me?

What hasn't been odd about today?

We are very close to not testing anyone today.

If purge does show by 8:40 I will take this as a sign the purge is avoiding us and vote for Grund. Too many coincidences.

[Grundbegriff]

btw, tru1cy-- if you're out there: I'm Talon. We need to try to find an Imperial today.

Please vote elsewhere, preferably on someone ripe for execution within the next 30 minutes!

[Scoop20906]

Meant to say if Purge does NOT show by 8:40.

[triggercut]

purge--I believe anyway--has felt pretty strongly that Grund is our scanner. Not saying that that's what's up, but just saying.

[Grundbegriff]

We are very close to not testing anyone today.

If purge does show by 8:40 I will take this as a sign the purge is avoiding us and vote for Grund. Too many coincidences.

How 'bout taking it as a sign that purge is avoiding us, and vote for purge!

If purge is Yoda, he's a pretty useless Yoda given that he's not around when expected/needed/whatever.

If purge is Dooku, then killing him would be most expeditious, since we don't want that noise in the endgame.

[LordMortis]

I expected to come in and find this day done.

And while there's a bit of interesting play on this while Purge looks to have broken his word and Izzy and Coop back out and not to go after Purge when the most sense if for people on Unagi to back out and line up on Purge, I have to say please gang up on me.

If you trust Grund and you trust Purge and I am part of the problem then I am incredibly viable pick. Have at it.

[Grundbegriff]

If you trust Grund and you trust Purge and I am part of the problem then I am incredibly viable pick. Have at it.

I don't trust purge, so I'm not sure why you're linking those concepts.

I ask again: does it make sense to test/punish purge at this juncture? Or to test Unagi?

[Scoop20906]

My one vote isn't going to get the other 11 votes needed to lynch purge, Grund. I trust Unagi slightly more than I trust you. Right now you are basically asking for a no lynch day. Is that what you really want?

[LordMortis]

The people who pulled their votes didn't go for purge so none of this makes any sense to me. I'm not worried about what you think because I'm convinced you're playing us.

This ought to make tomorrow very interesting.

Whose strings shall we dance to then?

This is what I'm talking about.

[Unagi]

I really don't know if I've played in a game where we didn't actually lynch someone (other than a superman type thing).


LM, you had (I think it was you) said that we needed to get it done by purges deadline, not bb2112's.

Was there a time he said he would be gone for?

[LordMortis]

I have no objections to testing unagi but I'm convinced you're evil and I'm frustrated so I'll not be part of it. And again if that makes me part of the problem, I'm happy to check out.

[LordMortis]

I really don't know if I've played in a game where we didn't actually lynch someone (other than a superman type thing).


LM, you had (I think it was you) said that we needed to get it done by purges deadline, not bb2112's.

Was there a time he said he would be gone for?

He said something, somewhere. But even then if he wasn't going to make it he should have checked in. Searching...

[triggercut]

Actually thanks to the trains on grund and unagi we have a lot of great material to analyze.
If we do miss deadline it isnt the end of the world.

[Unagi]

I'm actually OK with and ready to move a vote to purge if we think we have the numbers.

This no show is not good.

I'd also test isgrimnur for pulling off like he did, that makes no sense.

[Scoop20906]

 Accuse Grundbegriff 
 

[Grundbegriff]

My one vote isn't going to get the other 11 votes needed to lynch purge, Grund. I trust Unagi slightly more than I trust you. Right now you are basically asking for a no lynch day. Is that what you really want?

I like how I lobby relentlessly for avoiding a no-lynch day, and how you then conclude that I'm "basically asking for a no lynch day".

[Grundbegriff]

Actually thanks to the trains on grund and unagi we have a lot of great material to analyze.
If we do miss deadline it isnt the end of the world.

You know of some other way to kill Imperials?

[Scoop20906]

Isn't the deadline in 10 minutes? You are fooling yourself if anyone is getting tested other than Unagi or Grund. Issy and Purge just shot to the top of my list. Why is Grund so valuable they are willing to protect him like this?

[El Guapo]

Can we ask for an extension? I'd move to Isgrimnur but... 8 minutes left to deadline.

With 8 minutes, is Grund or Unagi more likely to get to 12, I wonder?