The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

[Chaosraven]

I say we have to accept Remus claim barring any other specials, as we are in a better position if it's the truth. If it's a lie, we are likely losing anyway. So I say isgrimnur or lassr need the lynch

[Scoop20906]

Ketching up again.

Oh forgot,

[RMC]

I say we have to accept Remus claim barring any other specials, as we are in a better position if it's the truth. If it's a lie, we are likely losing anyway. So I say isgrimnur or lassr need the lynch

Man and I thought I had found a slip-up, but I guess you all are right..


 Remove Remus West 
 

[LordMortis]

I say we have to accept Remus claim barring any other specials, as we are in a better position if it's the truth. If it's a lie, we are likely losing anyway. So I say isgrimnur or lassr need the lynch

While I agree with you about Remus for now I wonder we had to lynch RMC when he claimed mara according to you.

[Chaosraven]

I say we have to accept Remus claim barring any other specials, as we are in a better position if it's the truth. If it's a lie, we are likely losing anyway. So I say isgrimnur or lassr need the lynch

While I agree with you about Remus for now I wonder we had to lynch RMC when he claimed mara according to you.

we are in a tenuous situation here. To have to examine when you made your claim to Wedge, whether imperials could have known. To figure how many of the dead could have been Special for Remus to claim c3p0 as thrawn or thrawn teammate. To figure out how close to the end we may be in a series of covering stories. Because to believe Remus is to believe Mara is on our side.

[LordMortis]

I'd also make the request the Remus scan myself and rmc as there is most to be learned from our telling the truth if it comes to late game and some of us are still alive and the choices are narrowed. While it might be nice that you believe us an either/or or an all or none situation is better IMO and yields most.

And chaosraven your support of remus needing to live when you said that rmc needed to die sadly puts more doubt in my head about him.

[Chaosraven]

Let me give you my paranoid scenario. LM is cad bane, who disables redrun Wedge who seemed to be trying to draw the kill attempt. Tarkin ids redrun for LM to claim uncontested Wedge. Remus as thrawn knows the numbers, so waits as rebels get killed. I sit at a table playing Puerto Rico with the mod, 3 imps and dead redrun all evening as you assholes laugh at me while I am in the bathroom.

[Unagi]

Let me give you my paranoid scenario. LM is cad bane, who disables redrun Wedge who seemed to be trying to draw the kill attempt. Tarkin ids redrun for LM to claim uncontested Wedge. Remus as thrawn knows the numbers, so waits as rebels get killed. I sit at a table playing Puerto Rico with the mod, 3 imps and dead redrun all evening as you assholes laugh at me while I am in the bathroom.

that is so sweet. Where the fuck am I ?

[LordMortis]

Let me give you my paranoid scenario. LM is cad bane, who disables redrun Wedge who seemed to be trying to draw the kill attempt. Tarkin ids redrun for LM to claim uncontested Wedge. Remus as thrawn knows the numbers, so waits as rebels get killed. I sit at a table playing Puerto Rico with the mod, 3 imps and dead redrun all evening as you assholes laugh at me while I am in the bathroom.

My paranoia is similar regarding you three only I don't think redrun could have sat at the table with straight face as a dead rebel listening to you talk. So I don't think you laughed. I think you just knowingly looked at each other.

Only I don't think remus is necessarily thrawn and I do think redrun was mon mothra. I'm not devious. Unlike some people who plot together on a regular basis.

[LordMortis]

Let me give you my paranoid scenario. LM is cad bane, who disables redrun Wedge who seemed to be trying to draw the kill attempt. Tarkin ids redrun for LM to claim uncontested Wedge. Remus as thrawn knows the numbers, so waits as rebels get killed. I sit at a table playing Puerto Rico with the mod, 3 imps and dead redrun all evening as you assholes laugh at me while I am in the bathroom.

that is so sweet. Where the fuck am I ?

You need to come over and play games like newcastle did.

And you prediction about making it far in the game. hrm.

[Chaosraven]

Let me give you my paranoid scenario. LM is cad bane, who disables redrun Wedge who seemed to be trying to draw the kill attempt. Tarkin ids redrun for LM to claim uncontested Wedge. Remus as thrawn knows the numbers, so waits as rebels get killed. I sit at a table playing Puerto Rico with the mod, 3 imps and dead redrun all evening as you assholes laugh at me while I am in the bathroom.

that is so sweet. Where the fuck am I ?

you don't understand... redrun, remus, mortis, and I played PR with newcastle while he was in detroit, after redrun had died in this game...

[Unagi]

Let me give you my paranoid scenario. LM is cad bane, who disables redrun Wedge who seemed to be trying to draw the kill attempt. Tarkin ids redrun for LM to claim uncontested Wedge. Remus as thrawn knows the numbers, so waits as rebels get killed. I sit at a table playing Puerto Rico with the mod, 3 imps and dead redrun all evening as you assholes laugh at me while I am in the bathroom.

that is so sweet. Where the fuck am I ?

you don't understand... redrun, remus, mortis, and I played PR with newcastle while he was in detroit, after redrun had died in this game...

No no, I get it (I mean, I imagined that must have been the jist of it) - I just enjoyed that trip down your paranoia - and wished I was part of it somehow.

[Lassr]

I am very leery of the Remus claim. We haven't had an Imperial claim a rebel role as we know of yet. That just seems unusual.

I am a citizen so I cannot counter Remus' claim.

[coopasonic]

The Remus train seems to be gathering steam. I forget where we are on the deadline, but I'm ready to see this reach an endgame.

 Remus West 
 

... and back on the radar he leaps. Also, the master of the internet is too lazy to check the deadline? FYI, it's Friday.

[coopasonic]

I am very leery of the Remus claim. We haven't had an Imperial claim a rebel role as we know of yet. That just seems unusual.

I am a citizen so I cannot counter Remus' claim.

It's not like allowing Remus to mislead us has ever cost us a game before... oh, well at least not a star wars themed game... oh... right. crap.

[Remus West]

I am very leery of the Remus claim. We haven't had an Imperial claim a rebel role as we know of yet. That just seems unusual.

I am a citizen so I cannot counter Remus' claim.

It's not like allowing Remus to mislead us has ever cost us a game before... oh, well at least not a star wars themed game... oh... right. crap.

You'll notice I have no vote cast and have said little to nothing regarding my suspicions. I'll vote if asked to but I'm not going to be leading a train anywhere. I'm also going to be withholding my thoughts regarding suspicions until others have had their say many times over. You think you're gun shy regarding my leading? I already have a damned forum games meme and led the lynch of our Seer this game. Right now, unless we win I'm having my run at my second worst game ever.

[coopasonic]

I am very leery of the Remus claim. We haven't had an Imperial claim a rebel role as we know of yet. That just seems unusual.

I am a citizen so I cannot counter Remus' claim.

It's not like allowing Remus to mislead us has ever cost us a game before... oh, well at least not a star wars themed game... oh... right. crap.

You'll notice I have no vote cast and have said little to nothing regarding my suspicions. I'll vote if asked to but I'm not going to be leading a train anywhere. I'm also going to be withholding my thoughts regarding suspicions until others have had their say many times over. You think you're gun shy regarding my leading? I already have a damned forum games meme and led the lynch of our Seer this game. Right now, unless we win I'm having my run at my second worst game ever.

...or your best game ever. It's all a matter of perspective.

[Unagi]

So, if we lynch you today the result will either be we kept you from screwing us over as a fake C3P0, or we take one step further down "remus' second worst game ever."

Is this some kind of test?

[bb2112]

Day 7 Vote

1. Isgrimnur ---------------> Theohall, Remus West
2. RMC ---------------------> Remus West
3. Lassr --------------------> Remus West, Lagom Lite
4. Mr. Bubbles ------------->
5. Coopasonic -------------> Lagom Lite
6. Chaosraven ------------->
7. Remus West ------------>
8. Scoop20906 ------------>
9. Theohall ----------------> Remus West
10. Tru1cy -----------------> Unagi
11. Lord Mortis -----------> Remus West, Coopasonic
12. Unagi ------------------> Scoop20906
13. Warpig ----------------> Remus West
14. Lagom Lite -----------> Lassr

2 Remus West <------------------------ Theohall, Isgrimnur
2 Lagom Lite <-------------------------- Coopasonic, Lassr
1 Ungai <--------------------------------- Tru1cy
1 Lassr <---------------------------------- Lagom Lite
1 Scoop20906 <-------------------------- Unagi
1 Coopasonic <--------------------------- Lord Mortis

No Votes:

6 No Votes <--------------- RMC, Mr. Bubbles, Chaosraven, Remus West, Scoop20906, Warpig

Majority is 8

Dead
Day 1 <------------ Stessier - Syringed
Night 1 <---------- Redrun - Garroted
Night 2 <---------- Jow - Injected
Day 3 <------------ Grundbegriff - Blasted
Night 3 <---------- Triggercut - Nailed
Night 4 <---------- Qantaga - Knifed
Day 5 <------------- Austin - Needled
Night 5 <----------- El Guapo - Strangled
Day 6 <------------- Newcastle - Poisoned
Night 6 <----------- Purge - Bashed


Deadline is June 15th 9PM Eastern

Day: All day actions happen first come first served
Count Dooku: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Yoda: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Darth Maul: Who will you take with you to the afterlife?
Boba Fett: Who will you protect from the lynch?
Admiral Ackbar: Will you public declare?
Rukh: Who will you assassinate?
Boba Fett: If your scan reveals a Rebel, will you kill the Rebel?
Greedo: Who will you shoot?
Leia Organa: Who will you stun?
Vader: Who will you choke to death?
R2D2: Who will receive your 3 secret votes for a lynch?
C3PO: Will you ask the Mod through PM what role started in the game?
Chewbacca: Who's arms will you tear off?
Han Solo: Will you initiate a block? If so on who?
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Get’s Rebel or Citizen if there is a successful lynch of a Rebel or Citizen.

Anytime:
Rukh: If you have identified Thrawn, you may interrupt any kill on Thrawn and sacrifice yourself instead.
Cad Bane: Name the player you want to disable.
Admiral Ackbar: Did you meet your secret agenda? If so PM the Mod.

[Remus West]

I say we have to accept Remus claim barring any other specials, as we are in a better position if it's the truth. If it's a lie, we are likely losing anyway. So I say isgrimnur or lassr need the lynch

While I agree with you about Remus for now I wonder we had to lynch RMC when he claimed mara according to you.

we are in a tenuous situation here. To have to examine when you made your claim to Wedge, whether imperials could have known. To figure how many of the dead could have been Special for Remus to claim c3p0 as thrawn or thrawn teammate. To figure out how close to the end we may be in a series of covering stories. Because to believe Remus is to believe Mara is on our side.

When LordMortis came forward had redrun been Wedge and the Imperials knew it then they would also have known that Mon Moth was alive and grundbegriff had claimed Talon which they would have known to be true. Thus an Evil LordMortis - whether redrun was Wedge or not would have been risking getting his cover ruined via scan.

Obviously, this does nothing with regard to myself or RMC.

I do admit that I'm a little weirded out by LordMortis' request that I scan him or RMC. I do not get to scan anyone. I simply ask if a role is in the game.

[Remus West]

So, if we lynch you today the result will either be we kept you from screwing us over as a fake C3P0, or we take one step further down "remus' second worst game ever."

Is this some kind of test?

Interesting. You took stessier's comment similar to this with regards to purge semi-seriously. Yet when making the comment towards me you include a laugh and wink to show you are only kidding. Yet I have by far a worse track record than purge.

[LordMortis]

Obviously, this does nothing with regard to myself or RMC.

I do admit that I'm a little weirded out by LordMortis' request that I scan him or RMC. I do not get to scan anyone. I simply ask if a role is in the game.

Your role request is essentially a scan for someone who has confessed as having a role. But feel free to be wierded. You ask if Mara or Wedge is in the game and it does more to confirm or condemn us and yourself than does finding out which special bad guys are in the game IMO. We're already mostly cornered according to your "role asking", so I'd prefer finding reasons to vote for you or note vote for you (or the claim at mara or myself) than to say find out imperial roles are or are not in the game for which there is little we can do.

Barring advancing the decision making in the game your choice for time of reveal just makes me suspicious of your claim is all.

Anyhoo as much as I'd like to lynch those in the game that I trust least, we have Scoop and Bubbles and three days to decide.

Mr. Bubbles, Chaosraven, Scoop20906

 scoop 
 


It'd be interesting to look at their voting history if nothing else but I'm not going back.

[Unagi]

So, if we lynch you today the result will either be we kept you from screwing us over as a fake C3P0, or we take one step further down "remus' second worst game ever."

Is this some kind of test?

Interesting. You took stessier's comment similar to this with regards to purge semi-seriously. Yet when making the comment towards me you include a laugh and wink to show you are only kidding. Yet I have by far a worse track record than purge.

I'm not sure you understood me there.

My point is this:
If you are not wanting to be lynched - you weren't helping... those were all reasons why I may actually like to vote for you.

the is to reflect that I think it's funny (and that I'm not inclined to act on it) - not that I am 'joking'.

[Unagi]

I do admit that I'm a little weirded out by LordMortis' request that I scan him or RMC. I do not get to scan anyone. I simply ask if a role is in the game.

I was at first too, but then I saw what he meant by it all. I actually had something all typed up about you not having a scan, etc. -

In effect - he is just asking for you to come out and 'verify' that Wedge / Mara are (were) indeed in the game.

And, you wouldn't be verifying anything really, unless you were killed at some point and we knew you were really Rebel.

I can see some degree of value in it, but I doubt we'll find ourselves particularly enlightened by it. The other option is to 'ask' about other roles, but even if you get other role information - it may not be all that helpful, really.

And - yeah - I still feel there is a good chance that you are actually Imperial. I'd certainly love for it not to be true. Frankly - you seem so clearly evil this whole game, it actually starts to seem like you must not be - but I hate when I ask myself to just toss that assement aside just for 'wishful thinking'.

[Lassr]

So it would seem in summary for today we are giving the Remus the benefit of the doubt. That appears to be the consensus. Which leads us to the question of who to test.

1. Isgrimnur --------------->
2. RMC ---------------------> Mara Jade-citizen
3. Lassr -------------------->
4. Mr. Bubbles ------------->
5. Coopasonic ------------->
6. Chaosraven ------------->
7. Remus West ------------>C3PO
8. Scoop20906 ------------>
9. Theohall ---------------->
10. Tru1cy ----------------->
11. Lord Mortis -----------> Wedge
12. Unagi ------------------>
13. Warpig ----------------> R2D2
14. Lagom Lite ----------->

that leaves us with 10 candidates that have not claimed a role.
My vote is currently on Lagom Lite.

[LordMortis]

Scoop and Bubbles seem to have no interest in the day as we are past the half way mark.

[Remus West]

Scoop and Bubbles seem to have no interest in the day as we are past the half way mark.

I see this. I also keep going back to the idea that Grund and Unagi were both within easy reach at one point yet neither went over. I think I'd like to test Unagi. Before anyone acts on that though I want to find the time to look back at that vote given what we now know as the impression I currently hold is from memory and I do not remember who was on which vote.

[Mr Bubbles]

Scoop and Bubbles seem to have no interest in the day as we are past the half way mark.

I've been trying to catch up, but hell if it isn't always something. I won't say why, but lets say life hasn't been too kind to me lately. I am torn on who to vote for. Trying my best, but I don't have much free time these days other than to pop in for five minutes at a time.

[Unagi]

Scoop and Bubbles seem to have no interest in the day as we are past the half way mark.

I see this. I also keep going back to the idea that Grund and Unagi were both within easy reach at one point yet neither went over. I think I'd like to test Unagi. Before anyone acts on that though I want to find the time to look back at that vote given what we now know as the impression I currently hold is from memory and I do not remember who was on which vote.

I don't know why people find it so odd that I survived that day.

I mean that. And I'm a good guy.

Here is why:
I was up against The Grundbegriff. The wolves wanted Grund lynched... That's why I wasn't put over - they wanted Grund put over.... but I don't think they wanted to be the ones to do it.


Now, clearly - I could be A Wolf - that was up against The Grundbegriff, and THAT is why I wasn't voted over.... but that dismisses the fact that it doesn't matter what I am - they still wanted Grundbegriff to be the one voted over.

It may seem easy to conclude that it's because the wolves wanted me to live - but the truth of the matter is that it's because I wasn't The Grundbegriff.

In any case; I had Newcastle pegged early, and that totally ticked him off. I'm not going to insist that everyone finds me Good, because of that, but I think I make a pretty piss poor test candidate today.

Add to that the way that Austin tried to get me lynched instead of him (over the corse of a few days)

Add to that the moronic way that Austin tried to fake some kind of vote thing on me on his death bead. He did that to keep the cloud of doubt over my head.... and - OH GEE - Why do that???

I have been begging everyone to lynch: Newcastle, Scoop, and/or Tru1cy for almost the entire game. None of those are just 'blah' accusations by me. I mean them. I've meant them.

We lynched Newcastle, and he was Imperial.

Let's lynch Scoop and see what he is.
Let's lynch tru1cy and see what he is.

[Unagi]

I also keep going back to the idea that Grund and Unagi were both within easy reach at one point yet neither went over.

To be perfectly honest - I keep going back to that time too.

Isgrimnur was the one that could have ended the vote - but instead made it a tie. (Is it just me, or does Isgrimnur's public persona seem to be the guy that wouldn't have cared really - and would have just had Grund lynched...?) But- instead - he evened the vote up. In hindsight - to me, that looks like he was settting "anyone else?" up - to have THEM be the one that took a Good Guy with the Nth vote.

He also then removed his vote and forced that day into the miss that it was and if everyone eventually found that Grund and Unagi were GOOD - Isgrimnur will leave that event smelling like Unicorn Flowers. It just seems TOO good.

[LordMortis]

You also think coop is innocent.

I also had newcastle pegged and austin pegged. But then I had purge pegged, was taken aback the Jow's death, would have happily been in on the Grund lynch if there was room for me.

But then I also think remus will be the undoing of rebellion and I'm still fighting the urge to push for him.

Scoop's a real comfortable vote for me, though and currently my favorite among the quiets.
You are behind chaosraven when it comes to more active players... Unless you count theo as active.

[LordMortis]

And I think a good place to begin looking at what people were doing what is around page 47 before Purge's reveal and while grund was still in the game when we were having a similar conversation as we are having now. Unagi and Newcastle were active then and votes were and were not being tossed around then.

[Isgrimnur]

Isgrimnur was the one that could have ended the vote - but instead made it a tie. (Is it just me, or does Isgrimnur's public persona seem to be the guy that wouldn't have cared really - and would have just had Grund lynched...?) But- instead - he evened the vote up. In hindsight - to me, that looks like he was settting "anyone else?" up - to have THEM be the one that took a Good Guy with the Nth vote.

He also then removed his vote and forced that day into the miss that it was and if everyone eventually found that Grund and Unagi were GOOD - Isgrimnur will leave that event smelling like Unicorn Flowers. It just seems TOO good.

I didn't even up the vote to get some "Best Rebel" badge, I did it because I didn't have a dog in the fight at that time. If the vote had gone off and I had been part of the wrong contingent, I would have willingly taken my lumps for it. I've got no extra information. I'm whistling in the dark as much as (most of) the rest of you.

[Unagi]

You also think coop is innocent.

I also had newcastle pegged and austin pegged. But then I had purge pegged, was taken aback the Jow's death, would have happily been in on the Grund lynch if there was room for me.

But then I also think remus will be the undoing of rebellion and I'm still fighting the urge to push for him.

Scoop's a real comfortable vote for me, though and currently my favorite among the quiets.
You are behind chaosraven when it comes to more active players... Unless you count theo as active.

Well, I guess I will just have to be happy that you are willing to test Scoop then.

You also think coop is innocent.

I've tried to open my mind to the paranoia that I'm wrong about him - but - there have just been a vast number of moments in this game where he came in and basically expressed the thoughts that my brain was also forming - in almost the exact 'perspective' and 'additude' that I was feeling. It just seems to me that he's going through much of what I'm going through.
So, yeah - sorry. I do (among this crowd) find him to be among the least likely wolf candidates.

That's Exactly UNLIKE Scoop. Scoop and I are actually 'a bit alike' (I'm not sure how he would feel with that assement, but I think there is some truth to it). Anyhow - I have been through a number of games with Scoop, and I can't imagine a Good Scoop just sitting on his hands throughout this entire game and not making any ripples AT ALL himself. I can, very easily, imagine an Evil Scoop just sitting back and letting all of this crazyness unfold and being rather entertained by it all. If you haven't gotten a little taste of "this is FUN!" from Scoop's posts :: You aren't reading them well.. And why on earth should this game be all fun for Scoop? I've seen no investment at all. So, where is he invested in the game?

It's actually partly Scoops entertainment with this game that helps me feel like Remus may indeed be C3PO. I mean, I can see how entertaining it would have been to see Good-Remus basically lead a lynch against a Good Grund.

[Unagi]

I didn't even up the vote to get some "Best Rebel" badge, I did it because I didn't have a dog in the fight at that time. If the vote had gone off and I had been part of the wrong contingent, I would have willingly taken my lumps for it. I've got no extra information. I'm whistling in the dark as much as (most of) the rest of you.

So, why even vote - you do plenty of the whole "didn't vote" thing, all the time...

I dunno Isgrimnur. Clearly you don't stand out as doing a whole bunch of evil things - you've only done a whole bunch of good things. If it makes you feel better, I'm mostly just bugged by it all, and I'm not at all clear on how to act on it. It troubles me.

[Unagi]

I also had newcastle pegged

really? I felt like I was the only one begging for it before Warpig made the great choice to test him. perhaps I missed it.

[Isgrimnur]

I didn't even up the vote to get some "Best Rebel" badge, I did it because I didn't have a dog in the fight at that time. If the vote had gone off and I had been part of the wrong contingent, I would have willingly taken my lumps for it. I've got no extra information. I'm whistling in the dark as much as (most of) the rest of you.

So, why even vote - you do plenty of the whole "didn't vote" thing, all the time...

I dunno Isgrimnur. Clearly you don't stand out as doing a whole bunch of evil things - you've only done a whole bunch of good things. If it makes you feel better, I'm mostly just bugged by it all, and I'm not at all clear on how to act on it. It troubles me.

I'm coming to the realization that the bigger the game, the easier I get bored with it especially when I'm unpowered. It becomes a sort of tell. If I'm engaged, I must be special in some way, and therefore become a target. I was much more engaged in the WW League games because they were small, moved quickly, and, regardless of role, I still had a stake in the outcome.

[coopasonic]

 scoop 
 


This vote is 60% because I think it's a reasonable move, 20% becuase Lagom isn't going anywhere and the Remus reveal somehow makes Lagom seem less suspicious and 20% to annoy LM by following him.

[LordMortis]

I also had newcastle pegged

really? I felt like I was the only one begging for it before Warpig made the great choice to test him. perhaps I missed it.

I had him pegged right along Remus and had several times asked for his vote... right along LL...

The last of my game notes before I quit taking them as being too time consuming:

Austin
Purge
Unagi
Newcastle
Lagom
Remus
Chaos Raven
Coop

Notice who actually sits about Newcastle on my last list... I vaugely remember why. You were vote throwing around just like Austin was.

Right now I'm wishing I still kept them. I tried pursuing old thread today and it was too much to begin to really try. I had to search for the "three strikes" conversation to see what it looked like then versus what it looks like now and while interesting enough I guess It's too hard to get through.

[LordMortis]

20% to annoy LM by following him.

That would only work if I this game had my attention. Mostly it's got my attention right now because I'm waiting for chaosraven to take his turn in Puerto Rico.