The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

[LordMortis]

CR is not currently in my top 5. Mostly for the manner he went after me after I came forward. Seemed a very Rebel type approach.

I'm not entirely convinced the two of you aren't working together (on the imperial side of things). And the more I think about it, quite frankly the more plausible it sounds.

Raven's paranoia comment about Puerto Rico just seems like his way to laugh at me. Given the choice of him or Unagi today, I'd definitely choose him.

As it goes, our direction is still fuzzy and we're about 56 hours out and I'm thinking my vote has found its home unless our backs are against the wall and then I will obviously move my vote to where warpig's vote is.

[purge]

[Remus West]

Why would you do that? What if warpig decides to vote you? Should everyone then follow his lead?

[LordMortis]

Why would you do that? What if warpig decides to vote you? Should everyone then follow his lead?

Probably. I've had my say. We'll see which way the wind blows. If it doesn't blow the way I want it to the next best thing is to follow the guy I trust. It's a hell of a lot better than following the convenience of either your or chaosraven's late game set ups.

[LordMortis]

And what will you do if direction isn't established by Friday and things aren't going the way you want them to go?

[coopasonic]

Why would you do that? What if warpig decides to vote you? Should everyone then follow his lead?

I was going to comment on that as well, but then I saw a squirrel.

Anyway, on the plus side, we know warpig is a good guy. On the minus side warpig has no (well 99 pages now) experience at this and isn't really the one to be following if you have to follow. I am generally a follower, I read what everyone has to say and decide who has the most convincing argument and history. I don't have the read on people that others too, so I rely on others read. I wouldn't rely on warpigs lead in this game. Even if he was a WW savant he doesn't have any experience with these players, some of whom are smooth-tongued devils and I'm not just talking about Lagom who has been a non-factor in this game.

Speaking of smooth tongued devils, is it logical that c3po would be as obnoxious as Remus was in the early game? It feels like the whole game hinges on whether he is really a bronze god. It gives me some hesitation.

[Chaosraven]

It gives me some hesitation.

"Some"?

I sent a mad flurry of PM to bb2112 trying to figure out if I caught the bastard in a lie.

[Mr Bubbles]

I'm always uneasy when Remus or CR say nice things about it each other. I can't say exactly why, but it creeps me out. I think you two should be banned from talking to each other until each game is completed.

[Chaosraven]

It gives me some hesitation.

"Some"?

I sent a mad flurry of PM to bb2112 trying to figure out if I caught the bastard in a lie.

And the closest I can get is the vote closed nearly 24 hours after his call for specials...

[WarPig]

Yikes, such pressure! It reminds me of this time I was swimming in a swamp on Dagobah and almost got eaten by a huge Dragonsnake.

Regardless, I've been hovering between Lagom and Scoop. Lately, I've been leaning more and more towards Scoop, but I'm not positive. Damn. If I'm wrong and we lynch a Reb, I'm going to feel like crap in my rusty innards. On top of all of this, I'm going to visit my parents tomorrow and I'll be gone when the day ends naturally. Internet connection at their cabin in the woods is spotty at best on a 3G connection, so I don't know how active I'll be. I'm feeling like my hand is being forced by fate.

Still, Scoop's actions smack Imp to me, so here goes.

 Scoop 
 

[LordMortis]

Why would you do that? What if warpig decides to vote you? Should everyone then follow his lead?

I was going to comment on that as well, but then I saw a squirrel.

Anyway, on the plus side, we know warpig is a good guy. On the minus side warpig has no (well 99 pages now) experience at this and isn't really the one to be following if you have to follow. I am generally a follower, I read what everyone has to say and decide who has the most convincing argument and history. I don't have the read on people that others too, so I rely on others read. I wouldn't rely on warpigs lead in this game. Even if he was a WW savant he doesn't have any experience with these players, some of whom are smooth-tongued devils and I'm not just talking about Lagom who has been a non-factor in this game.

Speaking of smooth tongued devils, is it logical that c3po would be as obnoxious as Remus was in the early game? It feels like the whole game hinges on whether he is really a bronze god. It gives me some hesitation.

I know Warpig has my best interest at heart. And he nailed newcastle, didn't he? He did it in spite of chaosraven's claim that we must take RMC down. And quite frankly he chose Remus West right before remus came out. Quite frankly I liked his out of left field approach. But then I spend most of my time in left field.

[Lagom Lite]

Uncontested claimants:
RMC
Remus West
LordMortis

Known evil:
Austin
Newcastle

Known good:
Lagom Lite (I know, I know )

Suspects:
Isgrimnur
Lassr
Mr Bubbles
coopasonic
Chaosraven
Scoop20906
theohall
tru1cy
Unagi

Reading...

(Goddamn it - 99 pages? Really? This is how we do it now? Some kind of nerdish world record undertaking. I love you guys.)

[LordMortis]

It's also my opinion (now the wp has decided) to finish scoop now before he gets a chance to react but I suspect there is scurrying and posturing going on now.

[Chaosraven]

It's also my opinion (now the wp has decided) to finish scoop now before he gets a chance to react but I suspect there is scurrying and posturing going on now.

Then let's do it.

 scoop 
 

[Lagom Lite]

Re-reading is SO much easier now that Austin has that Boba avatar up.

[Lagom Lite]

First, if Grand Moff Tarquin is in the game and redrun (or someone) was a Special, it’s entirely likely that one of the claimants right now are faking.

So, updates suspect list:
Isgrimnur
Lassr
Mr Bubbles
coopasonic
Chaosraven
Scoop20906
theohall
tru1cy
Unagi
RMC
Remus West
LordMortis

(Damn it.)

[LordMortis]

The sudden silence really bothers me especially if remus is correct and there are 5 imperials alive still.

OTOH, it makes me feel really good about Scoop being evil.

[RMC]

I think Scoop is as good a candidate as anyone that has been silent.

There is also Mr. Bubbles, who comes in says a few words and then leaves.

But I am willing to vote Scoop.

 Scoop 
 

[Lagom Lite]

DAY 1

 Newcastle 
 


It would have been better as Marlin Perkins.

Day 1 vote against your partner is not unusual.

So who all hasnt pipped up:

Grund, Stessier...triggercut? and who else....

Love to spur them into saying something.

-Isgrinmur - no idea who you're refering to

Reply.

So who all hasnt pipped up:

Grund, Stessier...triggercut? and who else....

Love to spur them into saying something.

-Isgrinmur - no idea who you're refering to

And now twice.

Right after I mentioned it.

CR attacks Newcastle in what seems to be a genuine poke. Kind of interesting.

-Isgrinmur - no idea who you're refering to

Marlin Perkins - Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.

More banter.

So who all hasnt pipped up:

Grund, Stessier...triggercut? and who else....

Love to spur them into saying something.

-Isgrinmur - no idea who you're refering to

And now twice.

Right after I mentioned it.

In case you're wondering, I am referring less to Scoop and Grund being silent than Newcastles continued Omission of Scoop.


*snip*

My continued omission ?...one post about noticing people not present out of 23 other people and you're hounding me about 1 person? Ever think i'd be more interested in hearing what the people's opinion of who i mentioned; what they had to say over scoop? (actually i totally forgot about scoop...so in a way thanks for reminding me of him ) I really need to look through who's playing actually since when I saw LM post, i was thinking "hey get out of our thread here, we're playing!". Yeah this is gonna be a fun one.

Newcastle reminded – and nervous – about Scoop.

My continued omission ?...one post about noticing people not present out of 23 other people and you're hounding me about 1 person? Ever think i'd be more interested in hearing what the people's opinion of who i mentioned; what they had to say over scoop? (actually i totally forgot about scoop...so in a way thanks for reminding me of him ) I really need to look through who's playing actually since when I saw LM post, i was thinking "hey get out of our thread here, we're playing!". Yeah this is gonna be a fun one.

Your post mentioned silents. I noted there were three of them.
Your posts, TWICE, mentioned only two of them.

The third is Scoop.

So yes, I was interested in your reasoning for keeping track of who was quiet (and how were you doing that, anyway? With a list?) and yet not including Scoop.

How is it that the various people with only a SINGLE post got crossed off your listremoved from your "quiets"?

More Newcastle/Chaosraven interaction.

And yes, MY LIST is a Cut n Paste of the PLAYERS, which I delete one by one as I go thru the thread.

With this many people it would indeed be hard to keep track.

Yet NEWC did pretty well (2 of 3) "without knowing"

So my interpretation?

Scoop would be plenty active behind the scenes with NewC, so rather than forgotten, he's accidentally included as the Evil push for QUIETS gets bandied about as someone involved in the discussion.

 withdraw redrun 
 


Newcastle or Scoop...

Lets go ahead and poke the Quiets, but my eye is on Newcastle.

 SCOOP 
 

This pretty much does it for me. CR is good.

 Grundbegriff 
 



Something is wrong when my post cound is higher than Grund

Contrived by tru1cy.

 Isgrimnur 
 


Let's fling one at the Marlon Perkins lover.

Lassr picks up the evil-tainted Marlon Perkins line from before. Isgrimnur pops in just after to give a rolleyes, Lassr remarks “that was fast”. Banter?

 Scoop 
 


Someone back at 5 votes!

This now, makes Scoop seem less evil- though he wasn’t really in danger.

With silent Grund remaining (his "Day One" recent standard), and Scoop a couple hours into his

Reading and trying to catch up.

I wonder about redruns befuddled posts and Newcastles omission of Scoop.

Next up... checking on on those who ONLY checked in.

Youre still hung up on that? I forgot about him pure and simple. OR maybe......


I really wonder why you pointed out Redrun's post. I actually didnt notice it, until I went back and checked it.

1. If he is a good special, you just called him out. Nicely done. You pretty much painted a bullseye on him. Why not keep it hush hush? If he dies at night, then you can point to that post as perhaps he was a special.

2. IF he is evil, why not wait and watch him for another slip. Analysis him a bit more and try to find his friends.

Why point a target on someone, when you really dont know much more about him. 50/50 chance he's good; granted he could be bad. But why not wait? Why call it out like that?

I really think it was a careless move, and more in line that your looking to get someone lynched not a reason to lynch someone.

More Scoop-related paranoia from Newcastle.

...

VOTING

7 Grundbegriff <----------- Newcastle, Tru1cy, Lassr, Theohall, Mr. Bubbles, Coopasonic, Austin
5 Redrun <----------------- Lord Mortis, El Guapo, Warpig, Qantaga, Scoop20906
3 Scoop20906 <------------ Chaosraven, RMC, Remus West
2 Stessier <---------------- Lagom Lite, Purge
2 Lagom Lite <------------- Jow, Redrun
1 Tru1cy <------------------ Unagi
1 Newcastle <-------------- Isgrimnur
1 Purge <-------------------- Stessier

...

We know both Grund and redrun to be innocent, yet they have trains.

Newcastle, Austin on Grund train. Also tru1cy, Lassr, theohall, Mr Bubbles, coopasonic.

Austin drops off shortly after to join my stessier-train.

Scoop is on the redrun train.

I can't believe more people aren't voting for stessier.

I'm keeping mine on Grundbegriff for now.

Stessier has my attention as well as Scoop though.

This moves Lassr down is Scoop is evil. Up if he’s not.

The argument for lynching stessier based on one post seems kind of thin. However, it is worth the test, but if he does not turn out to be Empire-scum, those leading this lynch charge (lagom lite and purge) should definitely be on the block next.

 stessier 
 

This logic seems odd. "There isn't a great case for lynching stessier, but I'm going to vote for him anyways, and then vote for the people who suggested it if it doesn't pan out."

Of course, it is odd. But we have to lynch someone.

I think the real odd part is the we have to push for these others if we are wrong... We are very rarely right on day one.. That posts makes me suspect you Theohall not LL and Purge..

But I still like Scoop as a day one lynch. He is off this game.. and when he is off, he is usually evil in my book.

My issue is Lagom Lite and purge are both so absolutely certain stessier is evil. Why are they so certain?? I could easily vote for either of those two right now, also. Or.. we test their subject first and react accordingly.

Hmm, a little flailing here. Looks like theohall already knew the outcome of the stessier lynch.

Was typing in another forum and thought that window was open. Oops.

Get him!

 theohall 
 

Almost forgot about “the other forum” deal. Still, a bad guy would be careful about these sort of things. Almost makes theohall seem more human.

Was typing in another forum and thought that window was open. Oops.

hmm and what forum would that be? seriously what forum? If youre good there should really only be 1 forum you should be in.

 theohall 
 


/does best yoda impersonation
sith side do you suggest

(and no not hinting am yoda, just fun talking in a yoda voice)

Newcastle now push for theohall.

So I just reread the thread to get a bead on folks; kept track of observations about people as well. Thought I’d share.

1. Isgrimnur --- active – placed a vote my way; not a lot from him, more fluff

2. El Guapo --- highly active; substantial thoughts (one of the few am leaning good on)

3. Qantaga ------active but kind of quiet; darting in and out of conversations; hops on redrun bandwagon; slow start but then perks up some; advocates pushing of redrun

4. RMC ----- active; pokes truicy then joins him in the church mouse competition; wants to vote scoop for not saying much? Kettle meet pot; benefit of doubt for theo’s “forum comment”;

5. Lassr ------- highly active, questioning remus on “CR is good”

6. Mr. Bubbles ----- active, but light contributions

7. Coopasonic ----- weird early comment bout mara jade; says he’s ok to be lynched 1st (why say that with no pressure?); kind of around but not saying much

8. Chaosraven ----dont like his actions; seems looking to get someoen lynched; dont like his pushing redrun up; when pushed about spotlighting the comments, blames LM for finding it but proudly says “I latched on to it like a terrier”. Weird..blaming someone else, then be proud of it.

9. Remus West ----dont like that he's giving CR a free pass; active and explaining his thought process; still don’t like it; but he’s active and probing.

10. Scoop20906 ----No read, zero posting. If this continues past day 2 he needs to be lynched. I'd hate for a silent to be allowed to slip through and be a serious liability in the end game

11. Redrun ------ his villager question is odd; i'd say give him a pass and see what shakes out;

12. Stessier -------not his normal rule monkey self; makes a very weird foxhole comment on purge, is it a test or revealing his perspective;

13. Jow ----------- newbie no read; really need to follow what he says to build up a read on him (same as warpig); makes high school lunch table comment

14. Grundbegriff ------AWOL; am kind of giving him a pass for the moment, betting he'll participate in the future. Dont like it though; respond when he was pushed to 8 by Austin though. Why pipe up then? Is he following the game? Or coincidence that he was reading then.

15. Theohall -------- highly active; i seriously dont like his "forum" comment seems like an evil slip; defends stessier for his foxhole comment

16. Tru1cy --------- truicy is as truicy does; gives a church mouse a run for its money

17. Purge ---------- 2 words; Verbal diarrhea; active probing; massive roles post; actually leaning good in read through so far;

18. Lord Mortis ------- can kind of forgive pointing out redruns "special villager" comment, but don’t like it; bears watching; his volunteer to lynch post seems off and only serves evil really; our specials hide amongst our villagers. “hey I’m impressed by you unagi; you find bad people; I’ll vote your way”; don’t like the follower vibe there, every game is different roles are reshuffled; especially since Unagi as been so off this game.

19. Austin ---------- active; explains the monikers stuff; mostly fluff.

20. Unagi --------- seems off; expect more from him; adds a bit here and there; but very tight lipped.

21. Triggercut -------- again expect more from him; says Grund & Scoop pinging radar..for what? Being quiet? Odd, expect higher standards from him for his radar to ping. I find his explanation lacking

22. Newcastle ------

23. Warpig --------- Newbie, no read; same boat as Jow; really need to pay attention to what he’s saying. At least he’s popping in and talking.

24. Lagom Lite ------ Really low profile; goes after triggercut for his vapid radar of grund & scoop; pushing for stessier for foxhole comment


Thigns that struck me:
-I didn’t like Remus sticking up for CR; and I didn’t like CR’s shining a spotlight on Redrun’s post
-Lots of quiet people who usually aren’t so quiet; feels very strange. Am talking about Unagi, stessier, triggercut. Usually more active and with more substance
-2 super quiet people – scoop & grund; while they haven’t said anything; I assume its busy stuff; giving a pass for now..bears watching.

-theohalls other forum comment really bothers me

-really uneasy w/ the redrun train. Personally I think a laissez faire approach is best. Weird comment to make, weird slip to make. Boneheaded move if he is a special. Interesting move if he is a normal. Doh moment if he is evil. I still have leaning good feel for him though. Really, really don’t like this train. Just seems too opportunistic of folks.

-why don’t we lynch the following: CR, Purge, remus & lassr. Verbal diarrhea is not cool. Upside is we wouldn’t have so many pages to reread at the end when we’re trying to figure things out. I kid…kind of

-a lot of people doing little defenses of people which make me wonder; remus on CR; RMC on theo; theo on stess; intriguing. Might be interesting to probe if there is a relationship there; opening up the “would they really do that or wouldn’t they do that” line of thought.

-quite a few people are making very vapid posts; popping in and agreeing not displaying original thoughts: Austin, qantaga, lagom, rmc, Mr Bubbles.

Both Isgrimnur and Austin gets the “fluff” comment. Scoop needs to be lynched in Newcastle’s opinion.

stuff

I am making a similar private list to remind where my suspicions come from.

I'm gonna go back and see if Newcastle only makes these lists when he is indeed evil.

I'm open to anyone letting me see a list like this from Newcastle from when he was good. (going back years doesn't count)

The last couple of games I've played you have been in and I have been amazed by your ability to sniff out a bad guy. I'm likely to puppy dog your votes later on and see what happens, hoping that you get scanned early and isolated if you are empire, but on day one, I'd prefer to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Wise. I can shoot from the hip and miss, and do a lot of that at the start of these games.

Makes Unagi look better.

stuff

I am making a similar private list to remind where my suspicions come from.

I'm gonna go back and see if Newcastle only makes these lists when he is indeed evil.

I'm open to anyone letting me see a list like this from Newcastle from when he was good. (going back years doesn't count)

The last couple of games I've played you have been in and I have been amazed by your ability to sniff out a bad guy. I'm likely to puppy dog your votes later on and see what happens, hoping that you get scanned early and isolated if you are empire, but on day one, I'd prefer to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Wise. I can shoot from the hip and miss, and do a lot of that at the start of these games.

wanted tos hare my thoughts on the game; something i tend to do. Better than not saying anything right? Plus maybe my observations can spur other people thinking. Lot of people in this game. hard to keep track of em. Sorry you feel so paranoid bout it unagi. But i guess you got to be, seein as youre evil and all.

Makes Unagi look better. It goes on like this.

Talky Newcastle seems to be making some leaps with some people and giving passes to some people. Suspicious, indeed.

From Bubbles re: Newcastle.

Was typing in another forum and thought that window was open. Oops.

OMG! Dude, even I can't miss this post. Wowwwwwww

Scoop hops on the “theohall slipped” post. So does Lassr, and so did Newcastle (previously).

...

VOTING

8 Grundbegriff <----------- Tru1cy, Lassr, Mr. Bubbles, Coopasonic, Lord Mortis, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Austin
3 Redrun <------------------ Warpig, Qantaga, Scoop20906
2 Stessier <---------------- Lagom Lite, Purge
2 Scoop20906 <------------ RMC, Remus West
2 Lagom Lite <------------- Jow, Redrun
2 Purge <-------------------- Stessier, Theohall
1 Newcastle <-------------- Chaosraven
1 Theohall <----------------- Newcastle
1 El Guapo <----------------- Unagi

...

Ok.

Scoop is on redrun (train isn’t going anywhere though).

Austin on Grundbegriff. So is tru1cy, Lassr, Mr Bubbles, coop, the whole bunch.

fyi, i think he should definitely pipe up and am hoping this pressure causes him to pop up and offer something. I dont like his silence, if he's good he's an asset; if he's bad...he needs to eb dealt with ASAP so he cant stir the pot and obfuscate things.

I think he simply likes as many vote trains as possible on day one, and as such, builds one on himself by staying quiet. If he's at N-2, I really hope Yoda doesn't have his secret vote in on Grund.

Now later, when he does stir the pot and obfuscates things by implying knowledge that are only his guesses... then we should lynch him for being annoying.

Mostly I'm just agreeing with you, except that I'm hoping Yoda isn't hoping on this train... unless he already has, in which case Grund probably is evil.

Am I the only one that reads this as implying he knows Evil has a secret vote rather than just cautioning against the possibility?

I didn't read it that way at first but yeah. Why mention Yoda and not Dooku since Yoda's single secret vote wouldn't enough. It's like he wants to seem helpful and accidentally mentioned something as fact that only evil would know fir sure.

Interesting. My vote stays.

And I wouldnt waste any time on Grund today silent or verbose. No one is going to lynch him on Day One.

An interesting gem, when Grund is at n-2. Evil-Scoop could have added his vote here, letting Dooku push Grund over.

Ok. I went back and did some re-reading and now I am kind of torn about the redrun bandwagon. I can see him as both reb or imp at this point depending how I read his posts.

The problem is when I read him as a helpful reb then I definitely don't want to test him on Day one.

 Withdrawal redrun 
 


I'm not voting for Grund today so back to the drawing board.

“Not voting Grund”.

Grund strikes me as good, I pretty much agree with his points, except I don't see how triggercut is blatantly evil.

Alright? Right.

We’re past the “poking silents” stage of Day 1. Now votes and pushes start to really matter.

Grund checks in, the Grund train dissipates. Lassr and tru1cy withdraws first.

Newcastle plants a vote on theohall instead. Austin votes stessier.

Scoop pops by and starts being Scoopy again.

Lassr votes for Scoop.




...

VOTING

11 Grundbegriff <----------- Tru1cy, Lassr, Mr. Bubbles, Coopasonic, Lord Mortis, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Austin, Chaosraven, Triggercut, Stessier
2 Redrun <------------------ Warpig, Qantaga
2 Stessier <---------------- Lagom Lite, Purge
2 Scoop20906 <------------ RMC, Unagi
1 Purge <-------------------- Theohall
1 Lagom Lite <------------- Jow
1 Austin <-------------------- Redrun

...

The Grund train have lots of suspects on it. In a normal, small WW game I would think the wolves would spread out. This game there are maybe seven of them, which changes the dynamics somewhat. Wolves can actually drive the voting momentum, the only question is if they realize this themselves or if they are playing safe.

* Lassr deliver short, paranoia-inspiring posts. Focused. Don’t like him.
* Lots of effort by Chaosraven. If evil, working very hard.
* Remus is confusing, but verbose. I don’t know about him.
* Too much interaction between Newcastle and CR seems legit. I’m placing CR with the good guys.
* tru1cy silent, hard to read but something seems odd.
* Scoop isn’t his bubbly self. Interesting connection between him and Newcastle places him in good category.
* theohall seems human, and paints favourably on interaction with Newcastle.
* Unagi is more aggressive than usual. Interactions with Newcastle make him seem human.
* coopasonic is under the radar.
* Mr Bubbles is under the radar.
* Isgrimnur connects himself in a disconcerting way to known evils.

Leaning Evil:
Lassr (especially if Scoop is good)
tru1cy
Isgrimnur

Leaning Good:
Chaosraven
theohall
Scoop20906
Unagi


Unknown:
Remus West
LordMortis
coopasonic
RMC
Mr Bubbles



...

Taking a break. Note to self: I’m on page 15.

[Chaosraven]

Is anyone else tempted to lynch him while he's reading?

[Remus West]

Is anyone else tempted to lynch him while he's reading?

This is why we get along so well.

[Chaosraven]

Is anyone else tempted to lynch him while he's reading?

This is why we get along so well.

Well, that and the mocking of LordMortis behind the scenes.

[LordMortis]

Is anyone else tempted to lynch him while he's reading?

This is why we get along so well.

Well, that and the mocking of LordMortis behind the scenes.

Behind?

You're just laughing because you know you're going to shoot me when I finally get you lynched.

[bb2112]

Day 7 Vote

1. Isgrimnur ---------------> Theohall, Remus West
2. RMC ---------------------> Remus West, Scoop20906
3. Lassr --------------------> Remus West, Lagom Lite, Scoop20906
4. Mr. Bubbles ------------->
5. Coopasonic -------------> Lagom Lite, Scoop20906
6. Chaosraven -------------> Isgrimnur, Scoop20906
7. Remus West ------------> Unagi
8. Scoop20906 ------------>
9. Theohall ----------------> Remus West
10. Tru1cy -----------------> Unagi
11. Lord Mortis -----------> Remus West, Coopasonic, Scoop20906
12. Unagi ------------------> Scoop20906
13. Warpig ----------------> Remus West, Scoop20906
14. Lagom Lite -----------> Lassr


6 Scoop20906 <-------------------------- Unagi, Lord Mortis, Coopasonic, Warpig, Chaosraven, RMC
2 Remus West <------------------------ Theohall, Isgrimnur
2 Unagi <--------------------------------- Tru1cy, Remus West
1 Lassr <---------------------------------- Lagom Lite

No Votes:

3 No Votes <--------------- Mr. Bubbles, Scoop20906, Lassr

Majority is 8

Dead
Day 1 <------------ Stessier - Syringed
Night 1 <---------- Redrun - Garroted
Night 2 <---------- Jow - Injected
Day 3 <------------ Grundbegriff - Blasted
Night 3 <---------- Triggercut - Nailed
Night 4 <---------- Qantaga - Knifed
Day 5 <------------- Austin - Needled
Night 5 <----------- El Guapo - Strangled
Day 6 <------------- Newcastle - Poisoned
Night 6 <----------- Purge - Bashed


Deadline is June 15th 9PM Eastern

Day: All day actions happen first come first served
Count Dooku: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Yoda: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Darth Maul: Who will you take with you to the afterlife?
Boba Fett: Who will you protect from the lynch?
Admiral Ackbar: Will you public declare?
Rukh: Who will you assassinate?
Boba Fett: If your scan reveals a Rebel, will you kill the Rebel?
Greedo: Who will you shoot?
Leia Organa: Who will you stun?
Vader: Who will you choke to death?
R2D2: Who will receive your 3 secret votes for a lynch?
C3PO: Will you ask the Mod through PM what role started in the game?
Chewbacca: Who's arms will you tear off?
Han Solo: Will you initiate a block? If so on who?
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Get’s Rebel or Citizen if there is a successful lynch of a Rebel or Citizen.

Anytime:
Rukh: If you have identified Thrawn, you may interrupt any kill on Thrawn and sacrifice yourself instead.
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[Mr Bubbles]

Talky Newcastle seems to be making some leaps with some people and giving passes to some people. Suspicious, indeed.

From Bubbles re: Newcastle.

Wow nice. I forgot about this post. I had Newcastle pegged pretty early.

[Lagom Lite]

DAY 1 (cont)

Coopasonic has claimed no role. Is it worth testing this in the early game, since late in the game it will be a powerful claim towards being good ("I was willing to die on day one!")? It protects us from outing a good special (good), probably kills off an unpowered rebel (bad), removes a potential hiding place for a Imperial (good). I'm not understanding why this claim has been ignored (not by just you, but I was curious as to your reasons for this).

Generally, because only nobodies claim to be nobodies. Evils tend to claim special roles,and generally wait until they are forced. Of course last game I claimed to be a nobody and was evil... very, very evil. Next time I am evil I think I will learn from that experience.

 withdraw Grund 
 


 stessier 
 


Someone has to die.

coopasonic switches his vote from innocent to innocent. Lassr follows. Then triggercut (innocently).

19. Austin -----------------> Jow, Redrun, Scoop20906, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier

Hmmmm, Austin has been a happy little vote puppy. I'd call that a change in behavior.

Scoop points to Austin.

Austin jokes aorund, Isgrimnur places a joke vote on Austin, then Scoop places a less-jokey vote.

So if we want to talk intuitions and guts, Top three: LL, Grund, Jow in that order... Of course my instincts usually stink, but we're hoping there's an exception. However my strong belief in Jow is predicated on LL being Empire. He goes back to complete unknown if LL rebellion.

I'm curious, how do you connect me to Jow?

His largely absent vote on you. It just seems like a nice safe play by a first time player who is in the bad camp... If you are empire.

I thought this line of reasoning made LM look good.

All that playful voting, Austin, and no vote against tru1cy for old times' sake?

An interesting observation by Grund, now that we know Austin’s true faith.

 stessier 
 



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tru1cy hops on the stessier train. He’s not the only one ofc.

The lynch on grund fell apart when he started posting, which is really all we were looking for. We have 6 days to get 13 people on the same target. Gods help us.

You were looking to get grund to post and then proceeded to be part of the people to make the vote on him fall apart. Which is contrary to "If you wait until the last minute to save your own ass, you get what you deserve" unless, of course, what you deserve is to live and push the vote to someone else.

coopasonic and LordMortis are probably not both evil. If one is, the other is not. Both could be innocent though.

19. Austin -----------------> Jow, Redrun, Scoop20906, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier, Grundbegriff,

Look at the size of that thing!

I'm impressed BB that you actually went through the trouble of counting Austin's back & forth vote. Such dedication.

really? I mean it's not like they weren't all placed all at once, right in a row.

BB, I'm not in the least bit impressed. You're going to need to raise the bar a little to impress me.

Yeah well when someone did it in my last BSG game I just counted the last vote. I viewed it as someone changing their mind before the official vote was cast and I'm lazy...

Lassr points out Austin. But it’s not too convincing. Also misses to include non-voters, which Remus points out.

I find it interesting that he overlooked the fact that I'm not on a vote at all. If you are looking for imperials trying to avoid a vote train wouldn't you start with those not voting?

wait, are you saying you are an Imperial?

Not at all. I'm saying I don't think you are actually looking for them.

I don’t think Remus and Lassr are both evil. One maybe, but not both.

However, much later Grund posts:

I find it interesting that he overlooked the fact that I'm not on a vote at all. If you are looking for imperials trying to avoid a vote train wouldn't you start with those not voting?

wait, are you saying you are an Imperial?

Not at all. I'm saying I don't think you are actually looking for them.

This whole dialogue looks fake, but maybe that's just my caffeine wearing off.

So maybe, yeah... I might be underestimating them here.

stessier - fair warning, i am probably going to drop a vote on you today unless you say something that dissuades me. Yeah i realize it will put him at n-1 and if they have a stealth vote (and its on him) it could almost count as a killing vote. But pipe up or else....you've been pinging my radar all game.

Plus it'd be kind of nice to Scoop someone. Kind of miss hte feeling. Bonus goody goody feelings if they are evil.

Newcastle mentions Scoop again. That’s it, I’m placing Scoop firmly in the Good guy-bracket. Evils don’t go on about their mates like this.

The lack of a secret vote landing (yet, obviously) makes me think we may have got one in the bag on the first day.

I had the same thought, but it could also mean there is no Dooku, Dooku is busy and not watching, or Dooku jumped on Grund.

stessier lands at n-1. coop has inside info.

If you die as a role and they have a coroner then they will hold a role they know they can spoof. If you die with no role, no sweat.

But isn't it as likely that we have coroner as well? Spoofing seems a dangerous game of the cornered to gain information or something you do with something specific in mind.

... Now if they have a coroner and kill our coroner, then that's a potential shitstorm, I guess.

This lays validity to Lord Mortis’ later Special claim. Not only does he have a point, it shows he wouldn’t fake it like that (it was on day 2 he came out right?).

I buy that Austin is evil. Even enough to pull my vote from grund.

 withdraw grund

accuse Austin 
 

Chaosraven and Lord Mortis working behind the scenes?

Makes LM and CR look better.

*tap* *tap* Is this thing on?

C'mon people, somebody give me a better explanation of what just happened

I got nothing.

Austin's explanation is a better explanation. Normally I wouldn't buy the "posted in the wrong forum" explanation at all, but theo... Still I find Austin's explanation reasonable.

coop aligns with Austin.

Austin's post:

Hmmm... I think he might be , now that I think about it. So a good lynch either way.

CR's take:

Ummm...

My interpretation of what Austin just did:

Discussing who stessier might be with his bad guy friends.
POSTED HERE INSTEAD

Otherwise his comment makes no sense

Trying to put CR's explanation in context: Bad guy says, maybe he's the coroner! Austin replies with the quote above. What does the ninja have to do with it?

Austin's explanation:

If stess doesn't want to out himself, why would I?

I am guessing he's Lando (ninja = sneaky bastard).

Good lynch is he's Empire, and good if he's Lando. Sheesh. Jumpy.

It sounds like Austin was being clever and hinting rather than saying and I find that reasonable. cRs explanation isn't from out of nowhere, but Austin's isn't as much of a stretch as trig is indicating.

coop goes on to defend Austin against Chaosraven.

My opinion on Stess? If he were an Imp he would have claimed a role by now. He has had plenty of opportunity to. Why would an Imp player not take a shot at it on Day one? I don't know if Stessier is Reb or Imp but it seems unlikely he would wait this long to claim a role.

I think he is just a rebel citizen stuck in a tree.

I have my vote on Austin and his little comment didn't raise my Imp-dar like his vote count has but if we are considering not offing Stess today then I think Austin is a better candidate.

Scoop defends stessier, thinks Austin is a better choice. Boy was he right!

Is Austin the type of player who keeps track of vote counts?

Not really, but bb had just posted it, so it was pretty easy really.

tru1cy is very much the kind of player that doesn't really buy the "stop at n-2" logic. I'm kind of sympathetic with him there. If you wait until the last minute to save your own ass, you get what you deserve.

How did you two not react to redrun's "Heaven Help Me" post?

Indeed.

The lynch on grund fell apart when he started posting, which is really all we were looking for.

You're replying to LordMortis here. What's with the royal 'we'?

Yup.

Scoop is completely Scoop for a few pages.

Isgrimnur,

Could you make a quick list of all the players and a small little blurb about what you think about them (in a game context, of course). Could help everyone at the end game to get a little more from you.

Hey, Thanks in advance.

I hate doing lists. But I'll see if I can't parse out some thoughts by later in the week.

Why did you take that as an honorable request rather than as snide mockery of your admittedly low profile?

Because I rarely attribute malice to anyone unless it's deliberately overt. Why are you trying to get a ring of people around Unagi and me shouting "Nerd fight!"?

Uninterpreted:

Isgrimnur (tilting Evil or Special)

Notes:

Isgrimnur is maddeningly consistent. He either steps out, draws suspicion, and then whines that he's not allowed to have a high profile; or he keeps a low profile, draws suspicion, and then complains (totally legitimately) that when he does anything else... well, see above. In this game, there's something jaunty about his demeanor, and it makes me think he's possibly keeping an evil secret and snickering in the corner.

I don't believe that I've ever snickered in my life. And every now and again, I try to break out of the pigeonhole that is the behavior I've adopted after being whacked like a mole for participating at higher levels.

I've been lynched in error by your logic a time or three. Having it happen again wouldn't be out of character for any of us.

Isgrimnur loses face. This makes him look evil.

****snip****

Because I rarely attribute malice to anyone unless it's deliberately overt. Why are you trying to get a ring of people around Unagi and me shouting "Nerd fight!"?
****snip****

/walks up
/sees the circle of people forming
/looks at the two contestants
"i got 100 credits on the fatty with the taped glasses"

/starts shouting
"nerd fight, nerd fight, nerd fight"

Newcastle saves/defuses.

fyi, i think he should definitely pipe up and am hoping this pressure causes him to pop up and offer something. I dont like his silence, if he's good he's an asset; if he's bad...he needs to eb dealt with ASAP so he cant stir the pot and obfuscate things.

My prediction: grund will pop in this weekend; and this train will disolve. I would think this is simply a show of force by the village to get grund to speak so we can get a bead on him.

Workweek is over. Now I can do a little reading!

The only time he really said anything was when the vote train came a calling...my vote stays.

But I suppose foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

LordMortis mocks Newcastle.

I think this unprecedented now at this point. For stessier to hang at n-1 makes me more suspicious of him.

Stessier could be good and the Imps are afraid to cast the last vote or all the Imps are already on his bandwagon.

OR

Stessier is bad and the Imps dont want to off one of their own (and Dooku can't use his power on him which explain no secret vote if he is in the game). That still doesn't explain why so many Rebs are too afraid to break some eggs.

I went on the record (and even wrote a song with my friend Unagi) that I thought Stessier was a rebel.

However, we will have test or scan stessier at some point because of this situation. Might as well be now.

Sorry Stessier if you are indeed a rebel and "nany nany boo boo" if you are an Imp.

 withdrawal Austin 
 


 accuse Stessier 
 

Finally, Scoop drops stessier. Well, coop re-applies his vote but he said he would. We go into night.

Man.. I stopped listening to Grund a while ago. Now you have innocent blood on your hands.

Looks odd...

So if LL truly is evil incarnate and I was the sole voter for him on day 1, how does that make me evil by proxy/association?

often an evil will have a vote against a partner just so they can attempt to look good especially when there is no chance of the partner getting lynched.

That's why I was looking at the votes earlier that were not on one of the two big trains.

Lassr feel a need to explain himself (why?).

I am touched that Stess has played with me long enough to not like me, and Theohall *thinks* he knows me.

You love me! You _REALLY_ love me!

stessier never said he did not like you. He said he thought that if you are Evil you needed to go and if you are Good you'll screw it up in the end. Has nothing to do with like or dislike. I'm pretty sure people like (well, tolerate relatively easily) me but they used the same logic for a while after the Remuscide game - as I noted earlier. It isn't personal. It is funny.

It isn't funny. This is war and each slight against me and others is a slap in the face that requires action. I still haven't forgiven you for all that you've done to ruin my life. I hate you Remus West.

and I find your hatred amusing, little man. Deal with it.

Might be bad guy-banter.




* theohall is being totally zealot-zerker theohall, and completely wrong about everything.
* Scoop is good.
* Chaosraven is good.
* LordMortis is probably who he says he is (though I forget who that is exactly )
* I don’t see how Scoop is evil. It’s interesting to see how there’s a train on him right now.

Leaning Evil:
Lassr (especially if Scoop is good)
tru1cy
Isgrimnur
coopasonic

Leaning Good:
Chaosraven
theohall
Scoop20906
Unagi
LordMortis


Unknown:
Remus West
RMC
Mr Bubbles


I’m at page 24.

[Lagom Lite]

Would you back off Scoop please? I think he's innocent.

I'm off to bed now, I'll finish up tomorrow.

[Mr Bubbles]

I've seen enough  Lagom Lite 
 

[coopasonic]

 withdraw Scoop 
 


Lagom shows Scoop to be either brilliant or good. I'm going with good. Sorry scoop.

Even with hindsight I can't see Austin's post as a slip. A weakness in my game I guess.

I don't really like Lagom's other conclusions though. tru1cy I think I can vote for. Isgrimnur I am very much on the fence. Lassr I just don't see evil.

Two days to figure it out, but I think I agree with Lagom on Scoop after havnig his early play laid out for me.

[Unagi]

Lagom shows Scoop to be either brilliant or good. I'm going with good. Sorry scoop.

what?

can you please help me see the thing(s) that you agreed with that Lagom showed? The move off Austin to stessier?

[coopasonic]

Lagom shows Scoop to be either brilliant or good. I'm going with good. Sorry scoop.

what?

can you please help me see the thing(s) that you agreed with that Lagom showed? The move off Austin to stessier?

Every lynch needs a kill vote. There were plenty of other good guy votes on stess.

[theohall]

 withdraw Remus West


tru1cy 
 

[Mr Bubbles]

The way I see it is Lagom is doing the same thing Newcastle did. He's trying to spin things in the direction he wants. I am 100% convinced that Lagom is a dirty evil bastard!

[Unagi]

Lagom shows Scoop to be either brilliant or good. I'm going with good. Sorry scoop.

what?

can you please help me see the thing(s) that you agreed with that Lagom showed? The move off Austin to stessier?

Every lynch needs a kill vote. There were plenty of other good guy votes on stess.

?
I'm not sure what you are saying there. I'm not saying that Scoop's vote on stess is what makes him evil.

I'm asking you what part from Lagom's post made you feel that Scoop was either brilliant or good.

[coopasonic]

Lagom shows Scoop to be either brilliant or good. I'm going with good. Sorry scoop.

what?

can you please help me see the thing(s) that you agreed with that Lagom showed? The move off Austin to stessier?

Every lynch needs a kill vote. There were plenty of other good guy votes on stess.

?
I'm not sure what you are saying there. I'm not saying that Scoop's vote on stess is what makes him evil.

I'm asking you what part from Lagom's post made you feel that Scoop was either brilliant or good.

His early game play was very believably good. So he's either playing evil very well or actually good. I think of the two it's more likely he's good. Sorry scoop, no offense intended.

[Chaosraven]

 withdraw Remus West


tru1cy 
 

[tru1cy]

Been up since 4 am and just getting in from work... damn Medicare Compliance Audits..


I've got nothing.. sorry

[Lassr]

Has Lagom ever done this before?

[Lagom Lite]

I don't really like Lagom's other conclusions though.

Not conclusions, tendencies. And I'm not done.

[Lagom Lite]

Has Lagom ever done this before?

Yes, and I pwned your ass then too.