The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

[Lagom Lite]

DAY 2

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A good Unagi hurt my feelings.

A bad Unagi is playing them.

Your endgame, you say?

+1

Is Unagi hurting or is he playing? From now on Unagi goes into aggressive-mode. I’m trying to read soberly to see if it’s bad guy defensive flailing or genuine poking good guy frustration.

RIF, purge.

just curious.

What's that mean?

Resist Imperial Forces, IMO.

I had to look it up. "Reading is Fundamental." Or from a military perspective, "Reduction in Force." But I'm certain that, despite theohall's (Imperial Navy) service, he meant the first one.

More irrelevant one-liners and banter from Isgrimnur.

Your certainty is a tell, Theo.
I showed you a Purge Push. You whined about Day 1.
Day doesn't matter. I push when I want.

Really? That's why I have been pinging on you for your certainty and repeated pushing of stessier when he had NOTHING to go on. Nice try. YOUR certainty on NO info is what has me harassing you. My certainty is purely based on the info you have so generously provided by completely changing your Day One behavior and now trying to be oh so helpful.

Keep on flailing, purge.

theohall is agressively wrong about purge.

RIF, purge.

just curious.

What's that mean?

Reading Is Fundamental.

I repeatedly mentioned purge's Day One behavior was different from his Day One behavior in other games. He turned around and tried to deny this by providing an example of non-Day One behavior in OOWWL Game 5 which was similar.

He was flailing. Now, he is trying to 'prove' his rebelness by posting supposedly "helpful" analysis posts. He's done this before, also, when evil. It's a lame effort to convince us he is not an Imperial.

My issue with Grundbegriff is he usually recognizes when someone is acting drastically different and he not only gave purge a pass for it, he claimed purge was good. I will happily vote for either, though.

This whole thing has me believing theo is good. I think he is just way out there for evil theo.

I'm not really convinced on purge, he's just being his vociferous, contentious self. Theo is overstating purge's play.

Taking theo's push at grund to be genuine, I can see what he's saying and it has me leaning toward a grund vote, but unconvinced.

LM/CR/Unagi/ElG is a freakin mess to me and I can't make anything of it so i'm not going to try yet.

I don't know/remember evil trig at all. He does seem a bit quiet.

Izzy is posting more than I am used to, but I think he is getting poked more than I am used to.

Bubbles, RMC and tru1cy posts are as innocuous as mine usually are when I'm evil, but they are always that way.

Anyone I haven't mentioned is just off my radar (or dead).

WarPig is a huge unknown. It's odd that I am not even thinking of Remus so far.

Now I am looking at the list to see who I have left out: Qantaga, Scoop, Lassr, Jow, Austin, Newcastle, Lagom

Cripes there are too many people to keep track of in this game.

 Grundbegriff 
 

coopasonic makes a threat list. Both Austin and Newcastle are hidden away in the “left out” section.

coop seems good to me.

For some reason.

Bubbles, RMC and tru1cy posts are as innocuous as mine usually are when I'm evil, but they are always that way.

I avoid Mr Bubbles... much will hinge on weather his guess of wolves pan out (IMO).
RMC seems good RMC to me (but I think he's one of the players that I have trouble with). tru1cy - I'm watching closely....

Expecting rain?

Does the "watching closely" work? Are you accusing, telling them to shape up, or is this a creepy "through the bedroom window" MO?

You've slipped into "cute" mode a little too quickly. Good purge would be frustrated with me right now.

Paranoid about/pushing purge.

coop seems good to me.

OMG!!11 He meant to post this on the empire forum! What is happening? Someone tell me what is happening?!

Austin makes fun of Unagi.

It could've been both a plea to a protector and an iocane gambit

This. As a note: this insight would be more likely thought up by the Imperials since they took more than a day to decide to kill redrun.

I'm glad you agree with it, but the imperial supposition's a little batty. For one, we don't know that the delay was due to imperial decision-making - it could just as well be due to bb2112 (as you note), or due to any of the specials (rebel or imperial) with night orders.

But who would know how long imperials took to decide on their kill?

Yeah, purge.... Who would know that?

I was on the fence with purge but that really looks like a slip.

Opportunism by Lassr. Further down, a vote for purge.

 Purge 
 


In other news, I played real, real life werewolf today and got the wolf. The game was called, who stole money from Austin's safe. I bluffed, he blinked and confessed, and I am sad. I put a lot of effort into that kid (19 is a kid right?), but there have been too many incidents and this one involved entering my house and going through my things. (And I will not be getting much of the cash back either - oh well, it's just money I guess, and at least I found him out and do not have to wonder who has been in my room)

Lassr is joined moments later by Austin.

Also, this post blows past my 160c. I do so knowingly.

fyi that got old the 4th time you did it. Kind of annoying have to sift through multiple pages and youre being "cutesy" and spamming the threads like that. Sorry to come out harsh, but there's a ton of posts here and I hate to see what this thread will become as the game progresses. Its already super unwieldy and tough with all the people in it. Again sorry if that came out harsh, but simply seeing it as spamming right now. We're well on track to breaking our previous record of 80page...wouldnt be surprised if we hit 100. I'm seriously considering voting for you simply on that basis alone.

as far as redrun - damn damn damn damn damn. I think he was a special. His slip, then how he quieted down after that shit storm. Looks like the imperials thought that way as well. I reread that thing, and just seemed an innocent slip. So, i'm going to take a half empty glass viewpoitn here and think that we are 1 special down...much rather think the worst and hope for the best.

-the fact that he didnt get protection scares me. Either A. our protector chose a different protect...or B. we have no protector. Specials be warned and time your coming out appropriately. I hope we have Mon mothma, and can provdie 1 night of protection, ....which brings up the hwole question was Redrun Mon mothma? Need to go through his posts to see if he hinted at anything.

-dont like Purges comment about "Evil taking a shit load time to choose a kill"...as others have noted....How you know that?

-need to reread the "gaffe" of el guapo

-the more i hear from theo, the more he's slipping into the good area. And hte other forum debate I think i can accept as just what he said it was...a hockey forum. as others have noted, he's being dogged, focused in theo.

Look at the bottom line, Newcastle is endorsing theohall.

I have to say Purge, you are building a case against yourself...

The Night kills can always be interrupted by:

Mon Mothma: The only role to be guaranteed in this game. She can nobly sacrifice herself to block a night kill. Instead of the intended target dying, Mon Mothma will die instead. This sacrifice overrides any protection that may be on Mon Mothma. Players will be told of Mon Mothma's sacrifice, and the victim of the foiled night kill will be identified to the group.

Which means after team bad guy submits their choice, Mon Mothma has to be given the chance to step in and take the hit.

So the delay is as likely to have been on Team Goods side, as team bad guy.

Just saying.

How do you know that once a night kill is selected, THEN Mon Mothma is given a choice? I did not read it as such. BB has hidden order preference on purpose - so do you have information the rest of us don't?

How else could it work, it is not written as a normal protector where she selects a target and then protects. Did I read this wrong?

 Purge 
 

 Purge 
 


In other news, I played real, real life werewolf today and got the wolf. The game was called, who stole money from Austin's safe. I bluffed, he blinked and confessed, and I am sad. I put a lot of effort into that kid (19 is a kid right?), but there have been too many incidents and this one involved entering my house and going through my things. (And I will not be getting much of the cash back either - oh well, it's just money I guess, and at least I found him out and do not have to wonder who has been in my room)

Ick. Sorry for your loss.

Onto the game: it doesn't explain why me?

For now, your knowledge of how long the empire took to make a choice is our best lead. Part of me says I'm chasing rainbows (is that an expression?), but too often those are actual slips and thery get ignored.

RMC joins the purge vote. Austin fuels it.


Unagi withdraws his purge vote and exclaims there is a “strange pile on”.

 withdraw purge 
 


I'll put it back, but I have no idea where he is at.

And - I see a strange pile on for something that I think purge is just not being clear on.

Mon Mothma simply says (my guess, but it sounds right): "I want to be Sacrificial tonight"

From that point on, the imperials may think they have a target - but she will be the night kill, and that's that.

So, what is it that everyone else is freaking on?

Purge just seems to be very defensive about nothing. He is attacking everyone, and seems to be making some leaps in logic, that I just don't see.

The prospect of him knowing the timing, just seems like a 'tell' maybe.

Do I think he is 100% on team evil, nope not at all. I give him maybe a 50% chance. Heck he could be Mara Jade, and is trying to get a scan, you got me.

I really think we should be pushing for some of the very quiet ones.

RMC makes sense. Withdraws moments later.

purge train forms and dissipates.

But for the record, if purge theo and austin are all evil, I am gonna be pissed.

Well they’re not ALL evil.

If he was anyone else and I would be voting Purge, but after seeing how evil he looked in the last game and wasn't evil, I'm putting my vote on  Grundbegriff 
 

Bubbles kicks off with a Grundbegriff vote. Followed by Remus.

This is quite simple. If you vote against me, you're definitely evil.

The time to reveal your true colors is now, for I am most definitely a Rebel.

Is that a plural "you"?

 Grundbegriff 
 


I just proved you wrong.

Back to  Purge 
 


Although, Grund is my third choice.

(bbc code edit)

Austin waves.

This is quite simple. If you vote against me, you're definitely evil.

The time to reveal your true colors is now, for I am most definitely a Rebel.

that reads so much like an evil manipulative move.

NO IT DOES NOT. Lassr is better than this.

I think he's going for class clown. Every post makes me laugh.

Kill me and the laugh will be on you.

Do you have knowledge about Mr. Bubbles? Do you know he is a Rebel? How would you know this?

 Grund 
 

Austin joins the Grund crusade.

Grund says “the only person I trust completely is triggercut”, hoping people will back off. Remus gets it and withdraws:

I do not understand the leap of "logic" that goes from purge (or Lagom) are Evil to Grund is Evil. I do think that a good Grund does his own thinking and delves into the available information. This Grund is going "oooh, shiny" and lunging for the purge vote. I don't like it.
 Grundbegriff 
 

Okay... This was my thought...

1) Day One purge was completely different from Day One purge in every game I can find when he has been good. I thought this during the game. To be sure, I went back and checked the last 4 games when purge has been good.
2) Grundbegriff named purge as one of his likely good guys. When questioned on why purge was good, in spite of his clearly different behavior, this was Grundbegriff's entire reasoning...

And please answer the question. What puts purge in your good column, because his posts do not warrant it?

Gut. His posts struck me as those of a Good, not an Evil.

Why is Grundbegriff suddenly changing his gut? Seems awfully convenient. I still surmise both he and purge are evil. It's reminiscent of someone sacrificing one of their won.

Of course, you not seeing it might be your way of trying to protect Grundbegriff, which puts you on the Empire side as others have suggested. But why vote Grundbegriff, then, if you don't get the reasoning.

My post was two different statements. I should have put them in separate paragraphs.

I do not understand your or LordMortis' claim that because purge/Lagom Lite is evil we should test Grund - which was how you started this day. You have now explained your thinking as being based off Grund switching his "gut". I am/soon to be was voting Grund because he did not seem to be trying to find evil and was simply reaching for the low hanging branch. A branch that is hanging low, imo, due to the number of people grabbing it.

I think he's going for class clown. Every post makes me laugh.

Kill me and the laugh will be on you.

Do you have knowledge about Mr. Bubbles? Do you know he is a Rebel? How would you know this?

I'm just playing off his clownlike name.

The only person I trust completely is triggercut.

 Withdraw Grundbegriff 
 

theohall doesn’t buy it.

Unagi doesn’t get it/buy it and places a vote on Grund.

Easy to trust another Imperial I guess.

Bubbles doesn’t buy it.

Not sure what to make of Grund but a lot of people jumped on the grund train after his little statement.

Knowing Grund I want to yell. "It's a Trap!"

But I can't help but think that earlier post sounded so much like the evil Grund trying to manipulate the crowd.

It also seems that the Purge train has died. No one really thinks the "took a day for the Empire to kill redrun" was a slip?

Lassr warns against Grund, wants people to stay on.

RMC is worried about Grund.

It’s harder to find anything of value now that neither Newcastle or Austin are around to post. This is why participation is important.

theohall keeps pushing purge.

 Purge and his game-inappropriate avatar 
 


Evil or not, he muddies the water better than anyone short of Grund on a mistaken crusade.

Now something interesting happens. Grund starts going for theohall. Then, in rapid succession:

 Purge 
 

In case Grund gets all static clingy.

 purge 
 



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Lets see what shakes out if they are moved towards a tie.
 purge 
 

Could this be a rescuing mission? Seeing as how Grund is the Seer, maybe Evil thought they wouldn’t get him lynched. But instead of accepting a theohall train, they resurrect the purge train.

Chaosraven and Qantaga joins the purge vote, bringing purge on par with Grund.

 purge 
 


I really dont like his imperial killing time frame comment that just bugs me.

As far as Grund....I dont intend on voting for grund, but my patience on that front is wearing thin. Keeping him around I think is the better option for today. As for tomorrow thats a whole new ball game. Right now though if he's good he's an asset, bad well you know the story. Dont mind keeping him alive...., if he's up to something, let him break his eggs.

If he's alive tomorrow...well lets just say his shelf life wil have hit a precarious state in my mind (yeah yeah i know...if i survive).

If anything...taking out Purge will slow down the speed this thread grows (no offense hombre).

I could easily vote for LM (his mind set just seems evil centric). Triggercut is still intrigues me. Bubbles is quiet. I realize i am too.

Qantaga - why Lagom?

I think my vote puts Purge at 9...will do a quick count after i post.

Newcastle adds his.

I'm down with either Grund or Purge today. I'm sticking with Purge simply because I have more confidence in that choice due to the slip.

The fact that both of them have a vote on Theohall also reaffirms my suspicion because I still feel we are dealing with the Good theohall not the evil one.

Yup.

I'm willing to take out either as well. I'd prefer Grund as he is the more dangerous of the two.

ORLY

purge states he’s Special.

You idiots. I've given you 15 clues to who I am.

I'm in training now. Go figure it out, and pull your votes off me.

Ambiguity is going to get you lynched. Either name your role or get lynched

tru1cy is true to form.

and so ends the tied vote experiment. Sigh.

Not waiting for a counter claim? Noted.

Remus/Austin interaction.

Austin withdraws purge.

Newcastle votes LordMortis.

Austin votes Mr Bubbles.

I did't mean it to really be evidence. Defensive?

The eye roll wasn't defensive, it was an eye roll in the event that you had meant that to be evidence. Hedging?

Austin/Unagi interaction.

I guess the purge train has been effectively derailed unless we have a counter claim...? Dueling Dookus? No?

I can go back to Day 1's vote.

 Grundbegriff 
 

Isgrimnur pops for the first time in a while, votes Grund.


Lassr tries to be entertaining:

hmmm, interesting this has become. (Note: I'm not counter claiming Purge with the Yoda speak).

...which is immediately followed by tru1cy:

 withdraw purge 
 

RMC, Unagi, LordMortis and Mr Bubbles gives the purge train some steam again.

 Purge 
 
As much as I want to vote Grund, Purge just made a big heaping pile of it right in the middle of the living room.

Uh-huh.

Luckily you can prove yourself today I guess but then you make yourself a target. What was your plan?

well, he can prove he has an over vote. If we allow him to do that and then he survives the night what do we do tomorrow? Give him a pass and then he survives another night? Then what? We can't let him live as he could be Dooku. I can't see the empire taking him out at out when there is so much doubt about him and the over vote is not that big of deal.

In my opinion he either dies today or tomorrow. Only way I can think to prove him is if Dooku is in the game and has already cast his secret vote and Purge cast his on the same player and we get a kill at N-2. If Purge is Yoda, why didn't Dooku use his over vote yesterday?

Lassr wants specials to die.

purge train peters out.

Purge and Grund are both voting for theohall.

VERY INTERESTING REMARK. Austin is giving a good-nod to theohall. We know Austin is evil. We know purge and Grund are good.

Remus, Lassr, Chaosraven puts quick votes on Grund. RMC hesitates:

What is the critical mass here for the vote?

Don't want to lynch Grund with the last vote accidentally.

Unagi brings Grund to 10 votes. CR says NOBODY MOVES. Vote dancing occurs.

add Newcastle to the list of folks ignoring my posts. In spite of the fact that El Guapo mentioned that I roughed out the why for my voting Grundbegriff.

Remus questions Newcastle’s motives.

This is quite simple. If you vote against me, you're definitely evil.

The time to reveal your true colors is now, for I am most definitely a Rebel.

that reads so much like an evil manipulative move.

Newcastle my attention started focusing on Grund after this statement. Since then I've noticed he has danced around some questions. The latest was Remus question about who he thought was dropping Yoda hints. And some of his posts still sound manipulative.

At the moment I do not have any better targets.

In a 24 player game, you don’t have any better target than the potential Seer?

add Newcastle to the list of folks ignoring my posts. In spite of the fact that El Guapo mentioned that I roughed out the why for my voting Grundbegriff.

maybe am not ignoring em, but wouldlike to see others explanations for their votes. After all if Grund goes down...and he comes up imperial...be nice to see people's reasoning as to why or why not they voted for him...if grund comes back rebel...be nice nice to see folks justification for their votes.

I have no justification for killing grund. I just like to kill people. We have 22 more or less anonymous players. All we know is redrun and stess were good. That's not a hell of a lot of help. With 13 votes on a train and no idea how many imps there are I feel like we are in it deep.

Heh... coop “just likes to kill people”... I might put coop down to the neutral camp just for that.

This is quite simple. If you vote against me, you're definitely evil.

The time to reveal your true colors is now, for I am most definitely a Rebel.

that reads so much like an evil manipulative move.

Newcastle my attention started focusing on Grund after this statement. Since then I've noticed he has danced around some questions. The latest was Remus question about who he thought was dropping Yoda hints. And some of his posts still sound manipulative.

At the moment I do not have any better targets.

I'd put money on that exchange being fake.

OK, weird - I thought that was a back-n-forth between You and Newcastle. Now I see you just quoted yourself...

Unagi looks human here.

ah ok. I was confused also.

no, no, don't get me wrong - I still read it as weird.

Yes.

Newcastle my attention started focusing on Grund after this statement. Since then I've noticed he has danced around some questions. The latest was Remus question about who he thought was dropping Yoda hints. And some of his posts still sound manipulative.

At the moment I do not have any better targets.

I'd put money on that exchange being fake.

which exchange?

The way you spoke to Newcastle seemed 'staged' and/or "unlike you" .

ah.

I was simply answering this question as I saw he had his vote elsewhere. I want to see his response.

so consider me dumb here...why we voting for grund?

Unagi saw a not-wholesome relation between Lassr and Newcastle.

Unagi is contributing now, but stepping on lots of people toes. RMC’s, Qantagas (sort of), mine. Hurting or playing?

Where are you - why aren't you KNEE DEEP in this whole purge/grund/theohall thing? You are No where to be found?

The main reason is that this game is so VERBOSE. By the time I check in, there are pages of posts, looking at every side of the discussion. So, I've just been trying to watch and learn.

You should trust your instincts on me in the two Star Wars games, though. Once a Rebel, always a Rebel.

Cute, but my insticts finds me wolves, not 'Rebels'.

If you want me to trust my instincts, it's that I think you are riding the wings again, because you don't actually play the wolf-side of these games the same way you play the 'fodder-side'.

Yeah, the game is Verbose. It should be pretty simple to find a place to insert your big blind "just a rebel' opinion, but you've just been reading and waiting. No help really.

More Unagi goodness.



* Isgrimnur is completely detached from anyone else. He pops by and places a vote or rambles about irrelevant things.
* Stuff Lassr says isn’t right.


EVIL
Isgrimnur
Lassr

Leaning Evil:
theohall
tru1cy

Unknown:
Mr Bubbles
coopasonic
Remus West
RMC

Leaning Good:
Chaosraven
Scoop20906
Unagi
LordMortis




I’m on page 37.

[Lagom Lite]

DAY 2 (cont)

/OOC

Hey guys,

Something unexpected came up. I need to head to Detroit on Thursday (5/17) for a few weeks. I'm out there to help an elderly Aunt with stuff basically and she dont have internet. My engagement in the game will be will be low, sporadic and intermittent until i can get back to the homestead which looks like the first week of June.

I still intend on playing, just giving you folks a heads up that my participation and engagement will be very low. I'll try to keep up to date. I dont think i need to be replaced though.

Thanks!

so, in a few weeks you will be back and then you can catch up to the 120 page thread - because you are so well known for going back and feeling like getting re-caught up?


We should make today's test against YOU.


purge, have you already done your secret vote ?

actually - my intentions were to find a local starbucks when i have some time and use this as a mental diversion. Was just warning on the outset....

 unagi 
 


for being pissy

Heh.

No help really.

You're right. But, I've been trying for days to get people to look at Lagom. No one listens.

I get here today and the die has already been cast. I mean, you all have the plan in place, all set in stone, to the exact number of people who should be on Grund's vote and who shouldn't.

What I would tell you is that we're in deep trouble if both purge and Grund turn up good. You and Remus have both stated that you think purge firehosing Yoda clues is in character for a good purge. Yet, if that is true and Grund turns out Rebel, then where are we?

Two misses, with a lot of uncertainty about purge tomorrow. And, (if he is good) enough Imperials to get a significant groundswell of opinion behind them so that we then face tomorrow night potentially lynching Yoda, having missed three times and just about sealing our fate.

So, I think this is a really dangerous plan. I think we should be asking ourselves if this is a Rebel driven plan or an Imperial one. I hope I'm wrong and that both of them are evil.

But, you can see why I feel significantly against the majority and, thus, felt I could learn more by watching.

I've also told you (while Lassr trumpets the "theo must be good" trumpet) that this theo looks a lot like a previously evil theo incarnation.

I didn't trumpet theo must be good, my gut says he is and that's just my opinion. Lagom is up on my list but that's for another day or later this day, as for now we are waiting on Grund.
I don't think both Purge and Grund are Empire but I will not be shocked if one of them is. If Grund is and purge cast the over vote then that proves Purge is good as empire can't vote against their own.

Lassr endorses theohall.

actually - my intentions were to find a local starbucks when i have some time and use this as a mental diversion. Was just warning on the outset....

it was the whole "low, sporadic and intermittent" that worried me.

I mean, not just low and sporadic - but intermittent on top of all of that.

Up until now, I would consider your current level of contribution to be low and sporadic.

Newcastle/Unagi interaction.

So, what, we're sitting around waiting for Grund to tell us not to lynch him and why? That's never really worked to our benefit in previous games.

Isgrimnur wants to lynch the Seer so freakin bad.

We still have 6 days. In theory we're forcing to claim something. If he won't then we kill him or don't... and then start all over again.

coopasonic wants to wait and see.

actually - my intentions were to find a local starbucks when i have some time and use this as a mental diversion. Was just warning on the outset....

it was the whole "low, sporadic and intermittent" that worried me.

I mean, not just low and sporadic - but intermittent on top of all of that.

Up until now, I would consider your current level of contribution to be low and sporadic.

i'd like to think that what i have said has been of substance and not a wishy washy, blah blah blah statements, hyperactive, caffeeine, add induced statements. But i've actually been keeping up, just havent pipped up. Guess ilike to speak up when i have something to say or something to give in to the group. Pretty much since this whole game has been centered around a few individuals i've been content to watch the on goings and try to figure things out. Guess if you ever meet me in real life you'll notice i am a very quiet person...observant, watchful...but i really dont talk a lot. Imma thinker not a blabber.

i still think your evil, i still think your "lord mortis" thing is weird and kind of reminds me of grunds game a while back where he was evil and he kept on refering to a "secret forum". Your play style is dinstinctly evil this game. But, i doubt if i'll be able to get a train rolling on either you or LM.

Anyway, for the rest of you and back to my little sojourn. I'll try my best to pipe up when i can..

This exchange makes Unagi look good.

Grundbegriff somes out as Talon Karrde.

Lassr and Isgrimnur quickly withdraws. Grund finds it interesting:

I think it's fascinating that people withdraw their votes without even hesitating to see whether the claim will be contested.

He has a point.

I am Empire, obviously.

triggercut pops the “I’m Empire”-slip. We know it wasn’t, since trig simply got the sides confused, and Austin was evil. So who else fueled this?

wild development I would say.

 triggercut 
 



"in case we missed Grund's hint"

um, no - we already discussed how he flipped on you, and well - that just seems odd for Grund to basically hand them his scanned player like that. Or is that just me that finds that odd.

Unagi does. trig replies it looks opportunistic, and it does, except what look like opportunism is often wild poking. I often do it myself.

I'm gonna' consider Grund good for now. This is a major step in my development as a person. My therapist says I need to do it though. Of course, if he's alive tomorrow then we'll have to reconsider. It would just be such a stupid play for an evil Grund to point out another evil player at this junction with so many people left. I cannot fathom it, as Grund, if the seer, will not be left alive and that would point at Trig. Instead, he would try to frame a Rebel me thinks.

 Unagi 
 

Austin fuels Unagi paranoia by joining triggercut’s vote.

Grund votes Unagi.

LordMortis comes out as Wedge:

My patience is a little worn at this point. If we assume redrun was special and we run up purge and trust him for now and we run up grund and trust him for now then the hell with it. I'm Wedge, the most imperial looking of the specials and I'm not sure I care where it goes. While I'm a fair to middlin' useful good guy, I don't really think I'm going to have what it takes to play this game for several months, so please feel free to point the finger at me if you must. Better sooner than later.

If you don't point the finger at me then I suggest Grund scan me. He already thinks I'm evil (though honestly I think it's better scan those you think are good rather than those you think are evil which is yet another reason I think he's lying) One of several things happen. He gets killed. At least then we haven't lynched a good guy in vane. And trig gets trusted. Mon Martha protects him (which I think is a bad move). He can vouch for me. He gets cock blocked by Bane (I think it's bane). We at least know we have a specific imperial guy we have to watch out for... Which then means of course we have to worry about whether to trust him or me or trig for another day.

Anyhoo, if Grund isn't going to happen today, then I'm just going to go with the best historically winning strategy when everything gets turned on its head and we allow it. And that's to start going after the least evil looking, minding their own business, hiding in plain sight, plodding along people.

 chaosraven 
 

Consider that we’ve only had one night kill – redrun – and stessier claimed Citizen. Grand Moff Tarkin can only scan kills of previous nights or days. Therefore, if LordMortis is Imperial he’s made a stupid, high-risk move for no reason at all, against his own judgement (see my first mega-post where LM considers coroners).

LordMortis is good.

Why would Wedge come out unprompted? The one guy who should be trying to draw night attacks?

I think it's because he's frustrated with the catch and release program we run here. Once again we are T-5 days, including a weekend, with no target.

I was about 60% sure you were pulling the strings for the badguys.

I am now about 75% sure you are. Your vote on me smacks of Badguy opportunism, frankly.


 Unagi 
 

The funny thing here (probably to me alone) is your countervote also smacks of badguy opportunism.

Gods help me, I'm siding with Grund.


 Unagi 
 

coop/Austin interaction, and Unagi vote at the end.

 withdraw Unagi 
 

/grumble

I'm still not certain how I view Grund's claim. triggercut certainly is not helping me feel better about it.
I need to decide where I fall on the grund lying/truthful before going further but right now I look at Lagom and lassr as the next two most likely.

Lagom has been outlined before. Lassr has made many odd posts not least the last one.

Remus is suspicious of Lassr.

I'm getting the feeling it is Grund and triggercut along with Remus that are empire.

I also have Lagom for being quieter than usual, Qantaga for hiding in the shadows, and Scoop (early posts gave me a bad feeling).

Purge (night kill slip)and Newcastle (seemed inattentive to posts) are possibilities.

Speculations.

Voting for the guy who just posted "I am Empire". How is it even questionable that Unagi vote for that. We always talk about "poking the innocent". For god's sake it doesn't get much more than open than that. I'm really having a hard time seeing this as anything other than Grund getting his spoof blown up by a partner two games in a row right now but want to reread first.

See, now you are all in my head.


Jerk.

I’m kind of worried about this exchange. But I’m probably seeing ghosts.

Lassr has made many odd posts not least the last one.

what was odd about the last one?

Grund and triggercut could be empire=true
grund could be evil / triggercut is not evil=true
grund good / triggercut evil =false

so why vote triggercut?

Voting for the guy who just posted "I am Empire". How is it even questionable that Unagi vote for that. We always talk about "poking the innocent". For god's sake it doesn't get much more than open than that. I'm really having a hard time seeing this as anything other than Grund getting his spoof blown up by a partner two games in a row right now but want to reread first.

So if that is a slip then that means Grund is lying also. I'd take out Grund first as he is more manipulative. That was my point.

and if it was an honest mistake? If grund is telling the truth and triggercut just made an innocent error then you'd maximize the damage. Voting triggercut and finding an Imp would show them both as liars (thus saving our suicidal protector) and allow us to deal with Grund the following day. How manipulative can he be when he is fully outed as Evil?

that IS the question. Was it an honest mistake? I was leaning yes. Then it appeared you and Grund were cooperating on targeting me as Empire and made me rethink.

Remus and Lassr interaction.

LM - If you are actually Wedge...you're an idiot.

Yep. I am.

I think Lord Mortis coming out now, is too convenient.

Yep. It is.

Ha.

Lord Mortis, I mean this: you rock.

I think you are 100% right to have come out when you did and how you did.

Perfect. And, yeah - that probably annoys the hell out of you, since you don't know if I'm evil and just being a jerk - or if I really mean that.

Personally, I totally believe you and trust you now implicitly.

And - I also think that you just quoted two wolves that are not happy that you did.

You and me, LordMortis - we could walk to the very end together on this one. Don't get discouraged. (You are right, this is going to be a long ass game)

Seriously you can go to the end unagi? And how do you know you'll survive the nights?

First of all...if LM is indeed a rebel...BIG BIG BIG BIG IF here....after all he might just be an imp, and realizes thats an awesome role to claim then exude disgust in the game....perfect cover....perfect.

Now lets just say he's a rebel.....His coming out benefits the rebels how? If i were an imp...you know i'd be happy as can be...why do you ask? Because a special just came out...thats one more special i dont have to worry about. Hell we just pertty much gave the rebels a gift basket today if everyones claims is true. We jsut gave em 3 specials to toy with. 3! What is this the 3 for 1 sale today at Rebel HQ?

/puts on 1920's tellers visor
/clears throat
"Step right up, step right up. Come on down to Rebel HQ. We got a mighty fine sale for you fine imperials today. We have not only 1 special for sale today. No, we're gonna beat that sale. We have 2 specials for sale for the price of 1. No. We're GONNA SMASH THAT and lets go absolutely Mortis, nut sack crazy here...and do a 3. You heard me right. We're gonan give you Three specials for the price of...oh what...hell we're giving our specials away for free. But pay attention because you never know how much more crazy we'll go here. We migth just give everything away!

It really hurts us if you think about it...really really hurts us. So yeah...applauding a strategic blunder...

Vitriol from Newcastle against Unagi. It’s hard to think Unagi is evil now, especially with the upcoming Unagi vote train.

Man, I don't want to go through all those 40 pages.

What about El Guapo?

Some of you suspect me (Unagi, LordMortis,Qantaga). That is normal, I don't mistrust you because of it. But I remembered there's something about Qantaga that bugged me.

...I'm going to have to go back, aren't I.

What about me?

But yes, you're going to have to go back, though reading every word may not be necessary. Also, I went back and checked - the whole Princess Bride game took 54 pages from start to finish. Where will this end up, I wonder - 100?

100 already!

...pages and pages of posting diarrhea...

Offer one up, you must.

I really can't think of a good way to handle the triggercut/Grund situation today. I'm starting to lean toward letting the night play out and see if the Empire goes after Grund. It is always dangerous to let the seer live even if he isn't believed at first.

So going down list I think Scoop or Lagom is a good test.

 Lagom Lite 
 
He has been eerily quiet for a smooth tongued devil in this game.

It’s never a good sign to see Lassr drop the “smooth tongued devil” shtick.

I'm also with Mortis on Trig vs. Grund. Since if Trig's evil then Grund's evil, Grund's the better target in that scenario, but yeah...lynching our seer.

Hmmm, the dark side clouds things. Or whatever that line from the prequels was. The dark side hides much? Purge, help me out here.

If grund is really our seer they *have* to kill him in the night. Then we get into the "why is grund still alive" issue... I hate the idea of lynching our seer, but also the idea of playing chicken with evil over someone who could be our seer.

trig is a safer lynch, unless he is being set up by grund. Ow my head.

coop says lynching Seer is bad.

Grund is evil or good, then cursed he must be. Last game his blind was scanned and discovered, now today we have a slip. Hmmm.

Two votes I am - yet vote I will not move until we're at 10. If Theohall is tested with both votes, then at N-1 he must be.

FYI - this won't prove whether purge is Dooku or Yoda, because I am a Rebel. Nice that purge once again names a Rebel and no one else, while willing to move only when someone else is at N-1. Why do you keep making me doubt you purge? Moving my vote back to...

 purge 
 

He’s insane. Simply insane. Is he faking zealot-hall or is he really like this? It seems like overacting, and bloody well done if you ask me. Every behavior of theohall’s scream old-school theohall before he god wiser. I mean, the last few games he has checked his insanity and turned into a top player. This sort of thing seems like a regression.

I have an idea. Let's just wait until Monday afternoon. We'll be more motivated then.

Unagi isn't going anywhere, let's lynch the seer!

 Grundbegriff 
 

Sarcasm?

Remus follows.

If we're going to deny grund's advice then we kill grund. If we want to see how it goes then we leave them both alone.

Lynching trig is madness.

I agree, and it's a little odd that Remus thinks otherwise (or as he said, that he thinks he has a better chance with that lynch...)

I did not think anyone would be interested in lynching a Seer claimant in spite of it being a pretty obvious lie. I figured that getting either of them lynched would get the job done and with triggercut slipping up and proclaiming himself it seemed pretty obvious to me that he would be the more likely one to get the fence sitters to agree on. I just want one of them lynched. I don't care which because lynching one of them will lead to lynching the other.

Let me put it to you this way.
Lynch triggercut:
triggercut comes up Evil we know Grund is Evil.
triggercut comes up Good it has no bearing on Grund but removes the taint of "the slip" from tying them together.

Lynch Grundbegriff:
Grund comes up Evil it has no bearing on triggercut - it is still triggercut's slip that condemns him as a fake Seer often names a player who is actually good as their scan.
Grund comes up Good it proves triggercut is Good but costs us the Seer and over night probably costs us his only scan.

So where is the benefit of lynching Grund versus lynching triggercut again? Evil Grund tells us nothing regarding triggercut and we are left tomorrow with those who still argue that triggercut's "slip" was not a true slip. Personally I like the triggercut comes up Evil and I don't have to spend 30 some odd posts convincing the rest of you that we need to lynch Grundbegriff. Then I can spend those 30 odd posts in tribute to my own genius. Cause we all know I'm going to make those posts one way or the other if I don't get killed.

This worries me. Remus completely disregards the fact that Talon Karrde/Grund is uncontested, and there is no way bad guys could know if redrun was him. If Remus is a good guy, he’s playing a poor game.

You people all ignore that lynching either triggercut or Grundbegriff - who are our best bets to be imperials right now - yields us a test of purge if they prove imperial we get either a proven Yoda or another outted Imperial. One lynch can give us knowledge of three players.

Has it been pointed out what you are wrong about above?

if they prove imperial we get either a proven Yoda or and another outted Imperial.

Very sloppy play today and you've now got me concerned.

Unagi sees it too.

Start talking alternatives.

 Unagi 
 

Austin starts off on Unagi. Followed by Grund.

Unagi bothers me and Scoop. Looks legit.

So potential shooters not shooting the two most important rebels means nothing. Got it Scoop and Unagi.

??

First - what's the "Scoop and Unagi" thing.

Second - I think it's been said before - that it IS interesting - but I will be DAMNED if i am going to Lynch Grundbegriff just because he has not been shot yet.

Imps could wait until 5 minutes before the DEADLINE before they shoot Grund. OR - they could shoot grund right before someone else gets up to N-1.

The fact is, Grund just hasn't been shot 'yet'.


Figure that out, then go have an anurism somewhere else. (I say this in humor, of course)

More weird stuff from theohall.

 Tru1cy 
 
has posted 4 times since the 14th, not at all in this thread though. Laying low? I Just happened to see he posted in some soccer thread and I realized I forgot he was playing. I get nervous when I forget about people.

Austin complaining about/summoning tru1cy. But then:

Correction. He did post on the 16th, my bad.

On the first day, I think I would have been fine with going into the night without a lynch. Today, not so much; but I think that's where we are headed.

I will not vote for an uncontested seer or his alleged scan today. If they're both alive tomorrow. . . But today, Grund and Trig are no-votes for me.

I could still vote Purge or Lord Mortis, but am more comfortable with someone else.

Unagi is my first pick, but Remus is playing really poorly too. I cannot grasp the idea of pushing for Grund or Trig today. I also am uncomfortable with not finding myself fighting with Remus this game. We always used to get into it. It's like when Grund is being too nice to me, it feels wrong. (Last game this happened with Grund)

Warpig, Jow, Mr. Bubbles and Tru1cy, keep escaping my notice. I don't like that.

Chaos seems off, and grasping.

I don't "get" Scoop and Newcastle. I can never seem to follow their thoughts, although Scoop was newer about the time I went on hiatus. Scoop seems more evil than Newcastle, but they both always seem evil to me.

In any case, I am going to be traveling to South Africa on Monday, so chances are tomorrow will be my last chance to move my vote before the deadline. I have varying degrees of suspicion, but really it is still a bit of a crap shoot and I will jump onto pretty much any train but the two I mentioned; maybe not LR or Purge depending on my mood tomorrow.

It doesn't look like many share my Unagi suspicions, so perhaps we should just find a non-voter, or a non=meaningful-voter and lynch them up for stalling. Or can someone convince me that going into night without lynching can be a good thing today?

Threat list by Austin. Puts Newcastle below Scoop. Won’t mention theohall, or Lassr, or coopasonic.

*I* won't vote for either of them today.

This.

+1 lets see what the night brings...if htey have a penchant for surving the night we have spoofer.

I see. So all three of you refuse to lynch the people that are attached to triggercut's Kelricing.

I can not believe we are even still talking about who to lynch with the two of them available. My vote will stay where it is or move to triggercut if he gets close. *I* won't be voting anyone other than one of those two today.

I find it very interesting how quickly the push on them disappeared. Lagom made a comment about having time. I'd like to know how he'd know that or why we would waste it if we do.

triggercut or Grund. Lets start cutting the Empire's numbers down now rather than later. Look at it this way, tomorrow Grundgercut lives. He gives us an "Empire" scan. Are we going to lynch that player? When that player turns out to be a Rebel we will go to night and they will have bought time to the tune of 4 players - 2 missed lynches and two night kills (one of which is likely to be Mon since her using her power doesn't stop us from losing one of our hit points).

So, down 4 more players before we do anything about them. Then we'll see how many shooters the Imperials might have. We will also have burnt through the 3 miss window the games usually provide.

lynch stessier - strike 1
lynch ? today resulting in Rebel - strike 2
lynch ? tomorrow based of Grund accusation resulting in Rebel - strike 3 - typically game over. So where is this mythical time we have?
Did I read people talking about the possibility of shooters for the Imperial team? Would you like the math behind the fact that they are almost certain to have AT LEAST one? I'm not interested in arguing about whether Grund has been shot or not and what that means. I am interested in the fact that those shooters increase the number of deaths and thus where we are on the "last chance to find an Imperial lynch.

24 players to start
22 right now. remove 4 more.
20 players - we have now hit likely end game scenarios. How many Imperials does it take to cook our collective gooses? How many shooters? What happens if they have Boba? I'll tell you. Another day of no Imperial lynched - particularly if triggercut or Grundbegriff are Boba as they will have already been outed. There goes another night kill.

Can we please lynch one of the two outed Imperials today, it is simply stupid to do otherwise.

Remus against Newcastle and Austin.

Grund points out that Remus is silly, whether evil or good.

BTW, I mentioned that triggercut was a Rebel but declined to state whether his role was Special or Normal in case he wanted to act as night bait or otherwise play on the ambiguity.

However, since he has made clear that he's an unpowered, normal Rebel, I'll go ahead and confirm that that's the case.

Is that enough for confirmation, or do I need to wait for a coroner to collect my Quatloos?

Isgrimnur is perfectly sure Grund is in fact the Seer. Only a bad guy would know for sure.

And then we have Newcastle harping on my accusations:

I dont have a lot of time, will try to draw some thoughts...hmm, probably should check if i am dead yet...considering unagi and the fact he has the hots for me

but he's not got time to add thoughts - should be back in a couple days. got it.

ya know i am tryin to understand youre case against me...you start off by saying oh noes he used lists...something which i tend to do. simply because you guys might as well see whats going on in my head. just because you went on hiatus and didnt see em....dont mean they werent there (and i got a bone to pick w/ you post game w/ linking to previous games...but thats for later)...so to sum it up..youre case V. me is 1. oh noes a list.....2. ???

i am also trying to understand the above accusation...i am kind of getting tired of defending myhself to you...and i am really becoming more and more convinced of your evilness...after all short of a scan from karde...nothing i say or do will provfe it...but then ialso b=wonder why should i provfe myself to you..youre either a. a misguided vilalger or B. evil and youre using me to set up a straw man. so can we lynch unagi today?

Why were you so accepting of LM?
Why were so eager to lynch a "proclaimed seer"; aint the standard operating procedure wait for the night to come and see what it brings?

(now to skim the rest of hte thread)[/quote]

ok skimmed and am kind of abreast right now. I like unagi as a lynch. I'd be open to most people...some more so than others. I WILL NOT lynch any of the following today: grund, triggercut, purge & LM. I much rather see what the night brings that pool of players.

My vote stays w/

 unagi 
 

Newcastle goes on about Unagi again, and joins the Unagi train. If this is a ruse, evil is greatly overplaying it.

Remus and theohall sitting in a tree. E M P I R R E. (I needed an extra letter)

 theohall 
 


I will switch to Unagi or Remus or Scoop, or whoever is trending before I leave for SA. (I'll have Internet there, but during travel, not so much)

Austin puts a non-serious vote on theohall – he says he will switch to “Unagi or Remus or Scoop”. Shortly after, Austin votes Unagi.

Remus and theohall sitting in a tree. E M P I R R E. (I needed an extra letter)

 theohall 
 


I will switch to Unagi or Remus or Scoop, or whoever is trending before I leave for SA. (I'll have Internet there, but during travel, not so much)

1) So you absolutely trust triggercut who claimed "I am Empire." and has since been backtracking trying to convince us that was not an error?
2) And you absolutely trust Grundbegriff who named triggercut has completely trustable before triggecut's gaffe?

Which team are you on again, Austin? It does not seem like the Rebel side.

Since the deadline is tomorrow and you all don't seem to want to vote for Kelricut...

 Grundbegriff 
 

Conversation between theohall and Austin looks a little staged.

1) So you absolutely trust triggercut who claimed "I am Empire." and has since been backtracking trying to convince us that was not an error?
2) And you absolutely trust Grundbegriff who named triggercut has completely trustable before triggecut's gaffe?

No, and no. Are you 100% sure they're Empire? If not, why risk lynching the freaking seer on day 2? If you're even only 90% sure (basically unless you are the real seer and have a scan on either one of them) why lynch them today? Why not let them live one more night just in case?

I am thinking the 'pro-lynch the single seer claimant crowd' must be wolves hiding in plain sight. I cannot fathom the play otherwise - and I am always uber sensitive to giving up a Grund lynch. I really think it must be an All-Empire brigade laughing it up on their boards about how they're all voting together because,no one would ever do that right?

1) So you absolutely trust triggercut who claimed "I am Empire." and has since been backtracking trying to convince us that was not an error?
2) And you absolutely trust Grundbegriff who named triggercut has completely trustable before triggecut's gaffe?

No, and no. Are you 100% sure they're Empire? If not, why risk lynching the freaking seer on day 2? If you're even only 90% sure (basically unless you are the real seer and have a scan on either one of them) why lynch them today? Why not let them live one more night just in case?

I am thinking the 'pro-lynch the single seer claimant crowd' must be wolves hiding in plain sight. I cannot fathom the play otherwise - and I am always uber sensitive to giving up a Grund lynch. I really think it must be an All-Empire brigade laughing it up on their boards about how they're all voting together because,no one would ever do that right?

Because one of them said "I AM EMPIRE" and the other said they absolutelytrust the other one. I cannot fathom why either has not been shot unless there are no Empire shooters in the game. The purpose of shooters is to take out the opponent's most important roles. Well... these are supposedly the Rebels two most important roles, yet both are still alive. Doesn't that bother you at all??

I won't vote for the same as either of them and neither should the rest of us. They are not to be trusted, yet it seems folks want to follow them along again, likely lynching another rebel at their direction. Doesn't that sound astonishingly familiar to what happened on Day One?

I cannot fathom letting someone who flat out said they were Empire live another day.

I think evils simply divided between Unagi and Grund. Newcastle and Austin went after Unagi, theohall with his misguided-act keeps pushing for Grundbegriff.

Lassr votes Unagi.

tru1cy votes Grundbegriff.

Mr Bubbles votes Unagi.

...

VOTING

9 Unagi <---------------------------- Newcastle, Triggercut, Grundbegriff, Chaosraven, Warpig, Austin, Lagom Lite, Lassr, Mr. Bubbles
6 Grundbegriff <------------------- Jow, Coopasonic, Remus West, Lord Mortis, Theohall, Tru1cy
1 Scoop20906 <-------------------- Unagi
1 Qantaga <------------------------- RMC
1 Lagom Lite <--------------------- Qantaga
1 Triggercut <---------------------- Scoop20906
1 Tru1cy <-------------------------- El Guapo

No Votes:
2 <------------- Isgrimnur, Purge
...

By my suspicions, evil are voting:
Unagi: Newcastle, Austin, Lassr, (Mr Bubbles)
Grund: theohall, tru1cy, (Remus West, coopasonic)

Isgrimnur, (RMC) off the flank, ready to jump.

If we remove Mr Bubbles, Remus and RMC we have seven evils.

Wow nice one Unagi.. If there was any doubt you just erased it. I can't decide who makes themselves look evil more.. Purge or Unagi.

Unagi flies off the handle, starts insulting people and push for Scoop. Bubbles react.

Panic ensues as people start to realize deadline is looming. However, Bubbles is keeping calm:

purge, your post count was inflated somewhat (not entirely but at least a little) due to you treating this thread like twitter.

Oh a twitter game of WW. Intersting Remus. I hope you didn't copyright it yet.

Nice try, trying to deflect the train.

So when Unagi turns up Empire (which I'm now almost sure he will), we lynch El Guapo tomorrow. Unless purge whiffs on his covert vote, that would be awesome.

Why are you now almost sure that Unagi will turn up Empire? What's happened to enhance your certainty?

It's how extremely worried he is about getting lynched. A normal rebel wouldn't exaggerate his worth like that.

There’s truth to my point here. Grund made the same point. Still, I think Unagi is simply frustrated.

In the interest of fair play, I'll even up the vote counts.

 Grundbegriff 
 


I'm not completely sold on either frontrunner today, but we can't go to night without a lynch and there's no time to get another train rolling.

So RMC, Qantaga, or Scoop, I guess, gets to decide where Purge goes all ballot-stuffing.

Not-unexpectedly, Isgrimnur smells Seer blood.

In the interest of fair play, I'll even up the vote counts.

 Grundbegriff 
 


I'm not completely sold on either frontrunner today, but we can't go to night without a lynch and there's no time to get another train rolling.

So RMC, Qantaga, or Scoop, I guess, gets to decide where Purge goes all ballot-stuffing.

Wow, just... are you kidding?

I still say why must we lynch Grund today? I think it is foolish to do that if he is good. Our big hold up that Grund is evil is a typo.

If Grund is not on team evil, and we lynch him today..Then we lynch our seer? Why do that. If he survives one more night, and get's one more scan, and gives us a rebel or imp, then we are better.

I am guessing there are no shooters in this game, as I think someone would have shot if they had the opportunity to do that.

And I know lynching Grund does help us a little, but really maybe lynching the seer? I just don't see it. so I am keeping my vote on Scoop for right now.

If it get's closer to 9pm without anyone switching votes, I will switch my vote, just so we do not lose a lynch for today.

RMC argues against lynching the Seer.

This is where I get pissed off, and (mistakenly, I now believe) accuse Unagi of being evil. Remus clings to his Grund is evil-belief. Panic, panic. What’s interesting here is all the people who don’t pipe up, letting the good guys tear each other apart:

Lassr, tru1cy, coopasonic, Mr Bubbles, Newcastle, Austin, theohall, Isgrimnur.

This village is too stupid to save.

And just to point it out, when you get into the whole how many rebs vs imps, there is mara jade, who starts out as confused Reb and could be imp. So that pushes the numbers of misses one way or the other.

No guarantee that she is in the game, but also something to think about when thinking about strikes.

RMC brings up Mara Jade. This is before he outs himself. Now, it could be a sign to the Empire to get himself scanned.

:pop:

Hours away from deadline, and Isgrimnur (voting for Grund) is entertained. Good guys are shitting bricks.

And if we were inclined to do so, who are you scanning this evening?

Explain to me why it would ever make sense to divulge that information in advance.

Overtly evil.

so it looks like Grund is at 10 right now. A few hours to go. My vote stays on Unagi. If everyone wants to quickly switch to Scoop or Lagom, I'm game! But if we all started changing our vote now then we could get stuck in a no lynch situation without coordination.

Being helpful.

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 


This ought to make tomorrow very interesting.

Whose strings shall we dance to then?

Is your intent to prevent a lynch?

In the last couple of hours, this happens. Note it’s coopasonic who calls out Isgrimnur. Then Unagi. Then Chaosraven.

coopasonic votes Isgrimnur in a last ditch effort to make a lynch happen. Joined by Unagi, El Guapo, Chaosraven, Grundbegriff. And no one else. I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine that bad guys wouldn’t hop on this vote if Isgrimnur is evil.

Voting is closed with no lynch, we go into night, Remus is entertained:

Well, I think now we know what would happen if Congress played a game of WW together.

5 pages, so I pretty much skimmed for votes and anything that stuck out. I was almost hopeful at one point but someone tried to push for Issgrimmer a d it all went to crap. Really? 40 min before the deadline? I tried to push for Tru1cy and Mr. Bubbles but it seems Unagi was successful in railroading toward a non-lynch.

Mentions tru1cy, Mr bubbles (quiets), and Unagi.

5 pages, so I pretty much skimmed for votes and anything that stuck out. I was almost hopeful at one point but someone tried to push for Issgrimmer a d it all went to crap. Really? 40 min before the deadline? I tried to push for Tru1cy and Mr. Bubbles but it seems Unagi was successful in railroading toward a non-lynch.

I love how :
Isgrimnur pulling his vote off Grundbegriff
Coop pulling his vote off Grund and onto Isgrimnur
Purge totally not showing up

And then, me, with 4 minutes left in the day , desperately try and get those that do appear online into a last second lynch on some possible common ground; I'm the one who Railroaded For No Lynch.

Are you F-ing kidding me?

Really Austin?
If I wanted there to be no lynch, I wouldn't have said a word the whole time.
And, if you really were thinking about who orchestrated that entire moment, I'd question why you just blow past Isgrimnur. The guy that both Set Up The Tie (which, at the time saved My Neck) and then broke our little plan to test purge by taking Grund off the deck.

Right. That's just to be ignored.
I think Remus, in his own fury, also laid the least blame at Isgrimnur's feet.

Unagi attacks Austin. Looks legit.

Let me be clear that I really think there is no doubt grundbegriff is an Imperial. There is ZERO chance that the Imperials pass on lynching a Rebel grundbegriff on day 2. ZERO.

Uh-huh.

I had in my head that the deadline was at 8, which was correct for my timezone. Given my illness, I believed that my post was vote pull was 10 minutes before the deadline. I made an error in having the number in my head, and had forgotten that I'd already converted it from Eastern to Central.

I was convinced that Purge hadn't shown up to perform his duties, we had been dancing to his strings the whole freaking day, and that pulling back was the wisest thing to do, as I still wasn't sure that we weren't about to lynch our seer and prevent the possibility of a WTF dogpile at the last second.

Wait, what? Isgrimnur was all concerned about our Seer now?

coop calls it:

I had in my head that the deadline was at 8, which was correct for my timezone. Given my illness, I believed that my post was vote pull was 10 minutes before the deadline. I made an error in having the number in my head, and had forgotten that I'd already converted it from Eastern to Central.

I was convinced that Purge hadn't shown up to perform his duties, we had been dancing to his strings the whole freaking day, and that pulling back was the wisest thing to do, as I still wasn't sure that we weren't about to lynch our seer and prevent the possibility of a WTF dogpile at the last second.

So you think pulling your vote with 10 minutes to go is better than pulling it with 70 minutes to go?

That must be some good cold medicine.

IMPERIALS: triggercut, Grundbegriff, purge, Chaosraven and possibly Isgrimnur after his actions yesterday.

See if any of them die in the night. I doubt any of them will.

...and of course, no one did.

If you so strongly believe both I and Grundbegriff are members of Team Empire, then why not hang me first, theo?


In your postulation, if I swing and come back as an Imperial, it will also reveal Grund to be an Imperial. So, for the umpteenth time, why not vote to hang me?

You claim that you did not see anyone express enthusiasm to vote me off so that's why you voted for Grundbegriff. That also makes no sense. You were the fifth vote on Grund, which means there only 4 votes on him when you cast your vote.

What's interesting to me is that you seemed to think I had claimed to be Qui Gon originally, and then voted for me. Once you realized that this belief was from quickly skimming one of my posts but that I claimed no such thing, you then switched to Grundbegriff--while pushing that purge was also someone who should be syringed.

theo in your world, you've expressed clearly that you think that my misstatement is reason for me to hang...but you'd rather the group string up Grundbegriff and purge, who have both claimed reasonably important Rebel roles based on no evidence that you've presented.

Why do you want to string up persons who may indeed be high value Rebel role players before stringing up the guy who said "Obviously I'm Empire"?

Why would you want that?

Ani interesting argument from (now-proven) triggercut regarding theohalls alignment.

I have been on that 'lets not lynch the possible seer' ever since I stated I wasn't willing to vote for either trig or grund on day2. Which is why I didn't jump on the grund vote as purge failed to appear. But I still want to hear from the rest of the Grund voters as to why they could not vote Unagi, willing to go No Lynch over lynching Unagi.

I don't believe Unagi is evil. That is all on that.

To triggercut for the bajillionth time:

I DID VOTE FOR YOU! NOT ENOUGH FOLLOWED. I FEEL GRUNDBEGRIFF IS GUILTY WITH YOU VIA ASSOCIATION AND ACTUALLY ALMOST HAD ENOUGH VOTES

Is that clear enough, or do I have to put it in sky-writing??

He had FOUR votes when you placed your fifth vote.

That explanation makes no sense--unless you had knowledge that others would join you in voting for Grundbegriff. Did you know that others would follow your vote, theohall?

Keep on mis-directing, Imperial scum. No one was following the triggercut vote. It is not that hard to follow it was time to vote for someone else - the other person who was most likely evil based on posts by two people.

Someone else please explain to me how voting for one of the two most likely evil people based on their own posts is wrong?? Can't vote for two people at once. Folks weren't following the triggercut vote. Folks were starting to vote for Unagi and Grund which is the the way the wind seemed to be blowing. I chose the player I felt to be evil and most likely to receive enough votes at that point.

Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be enough for the Obviously Imperial triggercut. How many times have I said the same thing? I am losing count.

Why the continued stress on me, triggercut? You really are an Imperial. Wasn't 100% sure until this recent spate of posts.

theohall loses his temper.





* Unagi was under heavy fire from the two known evil players – Austin and Newcastle.
* I’m torn about theohall. Some things points to him being evil, but his basic zealousness is typical for good theohall. Maybe too typical.
* tru1cy and Bubbles are hard to read because they don’t post much. I’ll need to go over my own mega-posts again to find some kind of tendency.
* If Remus is evil, he’s playing a good game. If Remus is good, he’s not playing a good game. Since he’s clearly not playing a good game, maybe this means he’s innocent.
* RMC is unattached. Maybe it’s just an effect of playing Mara Jade. Maybe he’s converted. Still, not a priority I think.


EVIL
Isgrimnur
Lassr

Leaning Evil:
theohall
tru1cy

Unknown:
Mr Bubbles
Remus West

Leaning Good:
RMC (conversion?)
coopasonic (good if Isgrimnur is evil)

GOOD
LordMortis
Chaosraven
Scoop20906
Unagi



I’m at page 61. I’ll be here all day!

[LordMortis]

Not enough coffee to get through that wall of text and we are on a deadline. Ugh.

[Lassr]

Has Lagom ever done this before?

Yes, and I pwned your ass then too.

and Newcastle did this once as an evil and I have done this once as an evil. The great thing about being evil and doing this in a game this large is it is hard to go back and check what you have selected to post from the last 99+ pages. You can take any statement and manipulate it into what you want. Some of your selections seem opportunistic.

Particularly stuff like this:

Scoop20906 wrote:
Luckily you can prove yourself today I guess but then you make yourself a target. What was your plan?


Lassr wrote: well, he can prove he has an over vote. If we allow him to do that and then he survives the night what do we do tomorrow? Give him a pass and then he survives another night? Then what? We can't let him live as he could be Dooku. I can't see the empire taking him out at out when there is so much doubt about him and the over vote is not that big of deal.

In my opinion he either dies today or tomorrow. Only way I can think to prove him is if Dooku is in the game and has already cast his secret vote and Purge cast his on the same player and we get a kill at N-2. If Purge is Yoda, why didn't Dooku use his over vote yesterday?


Lagom wrote: Lassr wants specials to die.

That is so wrong. If you take that conversation into perspective Purge had not been proven and we were debating how to prove him. Often times the only way to prove someone is when they die. As there is still lingering doubt about LordMortis but we've come to accept the risk with him because of the circumstance in which he revealed. Purge was getting pressured when he revealed. Glad you had the insight to know Purge was good at that time and wasn't worried about him. If Purge could be proven without dying that would have been fantastic and what happened was we WERE able to do just that because of Austin. So if you have an agenda as you go through all those pages then it is quite easy to manipulate the facts and post them here for all to see that is why I no longer do what you are doing.

I do reread the thread but I may only post a point here or there that I find it helpful. Mass postings like these may be helpful to you but it can be very misleading to others.

[Lassr]

 Lagom Lite 
 

[bb2112]

Day 7 Vote

1. Isgrimnur ---------------> Theohall, Remus West
2. RMC ---------------------> Remus West, Scoop20906
3. Lassr --------------------> Remus West, Lagom Lite, Scoop20906, Lagom Lite
4. Mr. Bubbles -------------> Lagom Lite
5. Coopasonic -------------> Lagom Lite, Scoop20906
6. Chaosraven -------------> Isgrimnur, Scoop20906
7. Remus West ------------> Unagi
8. Scoop20906 ------------>
9. Theohall ----------------> Remus West, Tru1cy
10. Tru1cy -----------------> Unagi
11. Lord Mortis -----------> Remus West, Coopasonic, Scoop20906
12. Unagi ------------------> Scoop20906
13. Warpig ----------------> Remus West, Scoop20906
14. Lagom Lite -----------> Lassr


5 Scoop20906 <-------------------------- Unagi, Lord Mortis, Warpig, Chaosraven, RMC
2 Lagom Lite <--------------------------- Mr. Bubbles, Lassr
2 Unagi <--------------------------------- Tru1cy, Remus West
1 Remus West <------------------------- Isgrimnur
1 Lassr <---------------------------------- Lagom Lite
1 Tru1cy <-------------------------------- Theohall


No Votes:

2 No Votes <--------------- Scoop20906, Coopasonic

Majority is 8

Dead
Day 1 <------------ Stessier - Syringed
Night 1 <---------- Redrun - Garroted
Night 2 <---------- Jow - Injected
Day 3 <------------ Grundbegriff - Blasted
Night 3 <---------- Triggercut - Nailed
Night 4 <---------- Qantaga - Knifed
Day 5 <------------- Austin - Needled
Night 5 <----------- El Guapo - Strangled
Day 6 <------------- Newcastle - Poisoned
Night 6 <----------- Purge - Bashed


Deadline is June 15th 9PM Eastern

Day: All day actions happen first come first served
Count Dooku: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Yoda: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Darth Maul: Who will you take with you to the afterlife?
Boba Fett: Who will you protect from the lynch?
Admiral Ackbar: Will you public declare?
Rukh: Who will you assassinate?
Boba Fett: If your scan reveals a Rebel, will you kill the Rebel?
Greedo: Who will you shoot?
Leia Organa: Who will you stun?
Vader: Who will you choke to death?
R2D2: Who will receive your 3 secret votes for a lynch?
C3PO: Will you ask the Mod through PM what role started in the game?
Chewbacca: Who's arms will you tear off?
Han Solo: Will you initiate a block? If so on who?
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Get’s Rebel or Citizen if there is a successful lynch of a Rebel or Citizen.

Anytime:
Rukh: If you have identified Thrawn, you may interrupt any kill on Thrawn and sacrifice yourself instead.
Cad Bane: Name the player you want to disable.
Admiral Ackbar: Did you meet your secret agenda? If so PM the Mod.

[coopasonic]

DAY 2 (cont)

In the interest of fair play, I'll even up the vote counts.

 Grundbegriff 
 


I'm not completely sold on either frontrunner today, but we can't go to night without a lynch and there's no time to get another train rolling.

So RMC, Qantaga, or Scoop, I guess, gets to decide where Purge goes all ballot-stuffing.

I had in my head that the deadline was at 8, which was correct for my timezone. Given my illness, I believed that my post was vote pull was 10 minutes before the deadline. I made an error in having the number in my head, and had forgotten that I'd already converted it from Eastern to Central.

I was convinced that Purge hadn't shown up to perform his duties, we had been dancing to his strings the whole freaking day, and that pulling back was the wisest thing to do, as I still wasn't sure that we weren't about to lynch our seer and prevent the possibility of a WTF dogpile at the last second.

So you think pulling your vote with 10 minutes to go is better than pulling it with 70 minutes to go?

That must be some good cold medicine.

I still don't understand how pulling off grund could be an evil move, but this bothers me so much. If Lagom is manipulating me he is doing a brilliant job and deserves recognition for it. I have to wonder if Lassr is recognizing him for it.

 Lassr 
 

[Mr Bubbles]

If Lagom is manipulating me he is doing a brilliant job and deserves recognition for it.

NO he doesn't. If he is evil he deserves to die.

[Lassr]

DAY 2 (cont)

In the interest of fair play, I'll even up the vote counts.

 Grundbegriff 
 


I'm not completely sold on either frontrunner today, but we can't go to night without a lynch and there's no time to get another train rolling.

So RMC, Qantaga, or Scoop, I guess, gets to decide where Purge goes all ballot-stuffing.

I had in my head that the deadline was at 8, which was correct for my timezone. Given my illness, I believed that my post was vote pull was 10 minutes before the deadline. I made an error in having the number in my head, and had forgotten that I'd already converted it from Eastern to Central.

I was convinced that Purge hadn't shown up to perform his duties, we had been dancing to his strings the whole freaking day, and that pulling back was the wisest thing to do, as I still wasn't sure that we weren't about to lynch our seer and prevent the possibility of a WTF dogpile at the last second.

So you think pulling your vote with 10 minutes to go is better than pulling it with 70 minutes to go?

That must be some good cold medicine.

I still don't understand how pulling off grund could be an evil move, but this bothers me so much. If Lagom is manipulating me he is doing a brilliant job and deserves recognition for it. I have to wonder if Lassr is recognizing him for it.

 Lassr 
 

[Lassr]

Are you saying you believe Lagom because he painted you in a favorable light?

[coopasonic]

Are you saying you believe Lagom because he painted you in a favorable light?

I am recognizing that subconsciously that is a factor, but in his first two summation posts he was going the other way on me and I was still swayed.

I actually started that post with a vote on Isgrimnur, but I'm still having a hard time doing that and I don't think anyone else will go with me anyway. Your response to Lagom's last post isn't sitting well with me along with the vote on top. It might make me look like Lagom's lapdog, but I think you're a better call than Scoop at this point.

[Lassr]

Are you saying you believe Lagom because he painted you in a favorable light?

I am recognizing that subconsciously that is a factor, but in his first two summation posts he was going the other way on me and I was still swayed.

I actually started that post with a vote on Isgrimnur, but I'm still having a hard time doing that and I don't think anyone else will go with me anyway. Your response to Lagom's last post isn't sitting well with me along with the vote on top. It might make me look like Lagom's lapdog, but I think you're a better call than Scoop at this point.

I know I'm just a rebel citizen so my opinion of Lagom's post will obviously look different.

Look at it this way.

Say you are a rebel citizen:
Chaosraven goes through his posting spree and lists his top suspects as Isgrimnur and Coopasonic.
Lagom comes in a chats with him while he's doing it kind of backing him on that point then Lagom does the same thing as Chaos and comes up with the same top suspects.
They start pushing for your lynch. I step in and pull something out that their posts about me that I know to be true. I then use that to agree with them and I vote for you.

How does that look in you eyes if you know you are innocent? Would that not trigger some alarms? If you are indeed a rebel citizen then that should alarm you. If you are Empire then you know exactly what you are doing.

SO I now am sitting here re-evaluating my suspect list. A few game days ago I had Chaos and you listed more on the good side although Chaos bothered me. Now I have to wonder if I've been duped.

[El Guapo]

[coopasonic]

How does that look in you eyes if you know you are innocent? Would that not trigger some alarms? If you are indeed a rebel citizen then that should alarm you. If you are Empire then you know exactly what you are doing.

SO I now am sitting here re-evaluating my suspect list. A few game days ago I had Chaos and you listed more on the good side although Chaos bothered me. Now I have to wonder if I've been duped.

I guess the good thing is that Chaos bothers me too. Otherwise, re-evaluate away.

Here's a rough list of where I place people from likely evil at the top to good at the bottom.
3. Lassr
1. Isgrimnur
4. Mr. Bubbles
10. Tru1cy
9. Theohall
6. Chaosraven

<gap here>

14. Lagom Lite
12. Unagi
8. Scoop20906
2. RMC
7. Remus West
11. Lord Mortis
13. Warpig
5. Coopasonic

[Lagom Lite]

DAY 3

Jow is night killed.

I too wonder if Jow was a special. It was a somewhat strange selection.

If Grund is who he says he is then maybe they didn't want to prove Grund in case Mon Mothma committed the ultimate sacrifice. We know Mon Mothma is in the game but is she dead or alive and patient?

The again it could be the simple fact that Purge, Grund, and/or triggercut cannot die at night...

Evil is looking for specials, I guess.

theohall kicks off the Grund train:

Gee.... what a surprise. The Imperials supposedly let THREE Rebels specials live.

1) Grundbegriff = Palpatine. He should be dead.
2) triggercut = Naru Gun. He wanted us to lynch him so he would not die. He would then claime was Lando. Convenient way to avoid a day time lynch and give the Imperials another free kill. Unfortanetely, we rebels let that happen anyway by listening to the noise coming from someone who flat out said "I am Empire, obviously" and a large group ignoring someone who said they completely trusted triggercut before his Empire statement. How does anyone not lynch the guy who completely trusted someone who then said "I am Empire, obviously." The logic of NOT lynching that person on a specious scanner claim boggles the mind.
3) purge = Dooku.

 Grundbegriff 
 


And, purge, my certainty is based on the posts of you three - nothing more.

How in the hell does the Empire leave the Rebels scanner alive???? That is complete idiocy - OR - these "Rebels" are not what they claim to be.

Either he took the Evil bait hook and sinker, or he was baiting the rest of us.

Grund comes out to say he scanned a Special. Why wouldn’t he just say he scanned a person and that person wasn’t Evil? This is what got him killed that day, IMO.

Unagi and RMC votes Grund. Then trig, grudgingly. Then coop. Warpig. Me. That 7 out of 11 votes for Grund.

JOw? seriously? They hit jow? WTF? Dude he was truicy's twin but he talked more. Does not compute. Why take out jow? Why didnt they hit grund? Was jow = mon mothma and took the hit and they targeted grund? Yeah tryin to catch up am sure you guys hashed this through.

Adding Newcastle to my list. It's possible he is just trying to pack a days worth of dramatic exposition into one post, but that's almsot theo territory right there. 7 question marks.

coop comments on Newcastle.

Lassr votes Grund. Remus. 9 out of 11 votes. tru1cy says:

Guess I'll hold off

Interesting since Grund got Dooku:ed. tru1cy could have closed the day. Maybe he didn’t want the attention?

Austin votes Grund. 10/11.

Unagi removes his vote for Grund and say “wtf Austin??”:

 Withdraw Grundbegriff 
 


What on earth is your problem, Austin.

But it’s too late and voting is closed.

Hm. This whole affair makes tru1cy look much better. But later, Austin says:

Peh. Sorry guys. Yeah, I would test me too. Second time pulling the same crap. I was trying to be better about actually reading and not skimming. I had no idea there could be a n-1 vote yet. It's been a long day.

Maybe Austin had a more expendable role (Boba) than tru1cy. Maybe tru1cy backed off so Austin would get in our crosshairs, and get faux-lynched.

I am so glad I wasn't on the Grund vote.

I’m sure.

triggercut suggests in the night, before he is killed that Austin should be lynched next day. That is what happens.


triggercut’s final thoughts:

Going to braindump in case of my own death tonight.

7 Grundbegriff <-------------------- Theohall, Unagi, RMC, Triggercut, Coopasonic, Warpig, Lagom Lite

Warpig put his vote on Grundbegriff.

Then there was some interplay between Grund and Scoop where our actual, verified scanner strongly hinted that maybe he'd give us an Imperial after all.

Lagom Lite voted, Chaosraven Chaosed--and begged for time for talk--and I this VERIFIED rebel player decided it sure would be itneresting to hear what else Grundbegriff had to say.

I'm guessing the Empire thought Grund had interesting things to say as well, because Grundbegriff rocketed to the gallows like an express train today.

How'd that happen?

10 Grundbegriff <-------------------- Theohall, Unagi, RMC, Triggercut, Coopasonic, Warpig, Lagom Lite, Lassr, Remus West, Austin

I would strongly suspect those three folks: Lassr, Remus, and Austin.

I suspect Austin especially for his final vote.

After I say that, I wonder to myself: "Did anyone else seem to act and react to me the same way Austin did?"

There's one other, and he's also on the Grundbegriff list: RMC.

Still looking...........

Blame triggercut for his "I am Empire, obviously" statement. Without that, I probably trust Grund.

Looks like the Empire is going to win this one, since there is no likely chance of me surviving after my incorrect nonsense. Which means my death is just another Rebel citizen death putting the Empire that much closer to victory. Oh, well. I will shut up now.

If you are Empire, well done. You cooked our Seer. Good job.

If you are not, perhaps you've learned a valuable lesson here about the meaning of the word "context". Perhaps you've also learned as well as the idea that the truth you think you know perhaps is not the truth that actually is.

I hope you learned the lesson to pay attention to what you post. without your faux pas, what happens? I certainly don't keep pointing out something that didn't happen.

Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2

I can't decide if you're out of your mind or Empire.

I'm hoping it's the latter.

I know, right?

I do want to say if Grund had just given us the information he had, this would not have happened. I could have put him over the day before and did not, as I didn't think he was evil.

But when he came out and wanted to be coy about what he had found out, I really thought he was on team evil.

<shrug> I am just a confused rebel what can I say?

You put him on the block ... what DO you say?

I said it before he was lynched - Grunds method is testing - ALWAYS.

If he says he's seer, I don't believe him. I wait for the other shoe to drop.

If he's seer, and comes across as such, his reveal may well be a trap for the imperials.

Either he baited them, or he trusted that Rebels would actually want to hear what he had to say. Clearly the folks who cast votes did not.

We can only kill imperials one at a time.

I think Theohall or Remus need to be shot.

BB: does a kill other than lynch confirm alignment? I am going to assume it does not reveal role due to coroners being present. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

purge, like trig, thinks theohall and Remus should be shot.

trig and purge are currently dead.

Look, I do not have a secret vote

Of course you don't. That would be a silly imperial to string up. Likely you are a not so special imperial. A shooting imperial. Or a miss a lynch imperial.

Precisely.

trig dies in the night.



DAY 4

This vote isn’t so important though since evils were offering Austin up as a sacrifice.

I can't think of a reason to not vote for Austin today. Could it have been a mistake on his part? Sure. But the way he disappeared after the post that killed Grund is too suspicious. If he had kept replying to posts as he read it may have been more believable.

So I plan on voting Austin barring anymore major revelation.

Lassr tries to argue in favor of Austin a bit.

I can't think of a reason to not vote for Austin today. Could it have been a mistake on his part? Sure. But the way he disappeared after the post that killed Grund is too suspicious. If he had kept replying to posts as he read it may have been more believable.

So I plan on voting Austin barring anymore major revelation.

I posted, continued reading, had a bunch of people at my house, drove someone home, came back and got caught up. Hence the pause.

well that's a revelation but not major...

Plus I get a chance to vote for you finally. That always makes my day!

Evil banter.

Austin,

I totally get your vote.

Were there a hidden vote that killed someone, I'd be pointing at the one who was outed.

I want Chewie to step forward with a shot. Because of the fact that there are imp shooters (their possible 3 to our possible 1), I think we should DECIDE, before he comes out, who to take the shot on.

Bold tags only - chime in with who our best test case is.

My recommended target for a shot is THEOHALL.

Lassr, Newcastle, RMC also gimme the heebee-jeebies. I'm most convinced that Unagi is the puppetmaster though. Unagi - you may as well stake claim to role - your alignment tells us the most about more people in this game, and our seer deliberately voted for you. No surprise that he WOULD scan you, given your position in the vote race yesterday.

The late purge argues for theohall to be shot.

Austin is lvoted for by (in order): LM, coop, Mr Bubbles, Newcastle, Lassr

Austin votes purge. So does tru1cy, but then withdraws. theohall votes purge. So do I, like an idiot. then Isgrimnur.

I'm starting to think Remus and Unagi are on the same team. (evil team)

Huh.


Unagi abandons his Remus vote and votes for Austin. CR votes Austin. Remus, and withdraws. tru1cy. Unagi wd. Unagi votes. Goes back to Remus, then to Newcastle. Then to Austin. theohall votes Austin.

Lassr deflects Newcastle suspicion:

If anyone thinks Newcastle or Scoop is a better choice today - and would put their votes there today - I'd love to hear that.

I'll be happy to push Scoop tomorrow. His early quirkiness seemed like the evil Scoop and since then he has gone silent. I just can't say he is a better target than Austin right now.

As for Newcastle, what have you seen that makes you so sure? His absence due to travel has limited his presence on the board thus less info to process. Seems I remember someone mentioning his lists as a sign of his evilness.

purge states he sent in his secret vote, and that bb2112 should be closing the vote shortly.

Voting closes, Austin is lynched... not. pew pew.




DAY 5


Qantaga dies, Austin returns and is re-lynched.

I’m sort of skimming now beacuse damn, this re-read is an epic undertaking.



DAY 6

RMC comes out as Mara Jade:

Whew. Looking at the night order rules, Luke scans before the Emperor.

Of course how do we know you speak the truth?

Really???

Come on, they should have both been looking for me. If my hints, which started out with Mara Jade quotes(very obscure) and then moving to two comments telling everyone I was just a confused rebel / confused citizen.

To prior to last night coming out and saying I had a 'worthless' role. <shrug>

Believe or not, I am Mara Jade.

Mara Jade: Mara at the start of this game is a citizen. Both the Emperor and Luke are looking for Mara. If she is scanned by the Emperor first, then this will give her the confirmation she needs and she will become loyal to the Empire forever. If she is scanned by Luke first, then she will change sides and become a Rebel. Mara will receive a PM after she has been scanned by either the Emperor or Luke and simply told that either the Emperor has scanned her or that Luke has scanned her. She will not be told the true identity of either the Emperor or Luke. If she isn't found by either, then she will remain a conflicted citizen.

<shrug> It's Day 5, so my only power is to be found, or not. I become a liability to the rebels at this point if I have not been found by them, as if the empire finds me, I switch sides and could tip the balance for winning or not.

I believe he is who he says he is, question is if he’s converted or not. I don’t get him coming out either way.



DAY 7

Qantaga is killed.

theohall votes Remus right out of the gate (wtf?).

as it appears we have no shooter, I'm all for taking out theohall or Remus today. If they zerk it is better to do it now than toward the end of the game.

If they are indeed finding specials and killing them then I assume they have the Emperor. I would also think the Emperor may be a quite player. Why put your scanner in the target sites.

Also, if they have the emperor, then RMC is converted or had already been found by Luke and was just yanking our chain.

A lot of IFs to think about.

Lassr is fine with killing theohall or Remus.

Isgrimnur votes theohall.

LM, Unagi, RMC, Mr Bubbles votes tru1cy.

tru1cy votes Remus West.

Remus votes Bubbles.

...yada yada...

Warpig outs as R2D2, wants to prove himself on Newcastle, does so - to great effect.




DAY 8

purge is killed.




EVIL
Isgrimnur
Lassr
tru1cy

Leaning Evil:
theohall

Unknown:
Mr Bubbles
Remus West

Leaning Good:
RMC (conversion?)
coopasonic

GOOD
LordMortis
Chaosraven
Scoop20906
Unagi

[Lagom Lite]

Sorry for the wall of text everyone.

I'm DONE.

Now to re-read my re-read.

[Unagi]

Again, I'm feeling this almost just like Coop is... If I had to pick, I'm reading Lagom as being the real-deal. (Yes, Lassr, it's not unthinkable that it's an Evil ploy, it just - feels like real inspection on stuff, IMO)

However, I'm still a bit concerned about Scoop. (And if Scoop is indeed Good, I'm saddened by his participation)

[Unagi]

and that takes a lot for me to say (that I'm putting down my defenses on Lagom)

[Unagi]

If Lagom is manipulating me he is doing a brilliant job and deserves recognition for it.

NO he doesn't. If he is evil he deserves to die.

Sorry, I disagree.

It's your play that I would rather 'punish' as Good (if you are) and I understand coop's comment regarding recognition for Lagom putting a good deal effort into the game (nearly too late, eh?)

[LordMortis]

However, I'm still a bit concerned about Scoop. (And if Scoop is indeed Good, I'm saddened by his participation)

Not only this but many times this. What can we say about scoop aside from he was entertained by ketchup this game? We can't even get votes out of him which is absolutely damming if we have 9 rebs to 5 imperials.



I'd love to put up similar degrees of evil as Lagom does my barometer for how evil people seem is all over the place. If I had to do something like that for right now, I'd be like and this changes all of time:


WTF?
Scoop20906

EVIL:

REALLY Leaning Evil:
theohall
Chaosraven

Leaning Evil:
coopasonic
Mr Bubbles
Isgrimnur
Lassr
tru1cy
Unagi

Unknown on side of evil give some time:
Remus West

Unknown on side of good:
RMC (conversion?)

Leaning Good:

GOOD
LordMortis
Warpig

[Unagi]

I think I still feel that Scoop is an Imp.

If the deadline comes I could move to:

tru1cy
Mr B
Lassr
Isgrimnur

and - actually I think I could still go for Remus. He is willing to 'miss' on me, and frankly we would be MUCH better off if we "missed" on him.... OR HIT! At least a miss on him would tell us that RMC is likely trustable.

I'm not sure what to do with Theohall any more. He's become a last priority.

[Lassr]

(Yes, Lassr, it's not unthinkable that it's an Evil ploy, it just - feels like real inspection on stuff, IMO)

and it could be legit inspection but from my view point it's not helping.

[Lagom Lite]

EVIL
Isgrimnur - opportunism, detachment from Newcastle/Austin paints a big crosshair on him. Probably safest bet.
Lassr - Helpful evil. If Lassr isn't evil I'll need to check my brain.
tru1cy - fits too well with Newcastle/Austin being evil.

On the fence:
theohall - I can see arguments either way for theohall. He's not a priority.
Mr Bubbles - quiet, but he alway is. Nothing stands out on the re-read. Skilled at hiding if evil.
Remus West - can't read this guy very well. Claims C3PO, but it's late in the game and Jow, Qantaga, El Guapo or whomever could have been C3PO for GMT to scan.
RMC - Mara Jade. Might be converted, we can't be sure, but he's not high priority.

GOOD
Lagom Lite - me!
coopasonic - I was on and off about coop, but I'm placing him as good - especially if Isgrimnur is evil.
LordMortis - took a mighty big risk coming out as Wedge if he's faking.
Chaosraven - Early interactions with known evils, active participation, I think he's good.
Scoop20906 - Early game pushes by known bad guys, missed opportunities - I think it's unlikely Scoop is Imperial.
Unagi - Interactions with evils, active participation, I'm placing him as good.

Today I'll vote for Isgrimnur, Lassr or tru1cy. My vote is currently on Lassr.

[Lagom Lite]

I think I still feel that Scoop is an Imp.

If the deadline comes I could move to:

tru1cy
Mr B
Lassr
Isgrimnur

and - actually I think I could still go for Remus. He is willing to 'miss' on me, and frankly we would be MUCH better off if we "missed" on him.... OR HIT! At least a miss on him would tell us that RMC is likely trustable.

I'm not sure what to do with Theohall any more. He's become a last priority.

Ok, so that's overlap with tru1cy, Lassr, Isgrimnur.

Leaning Evil:
coopasonic
Mr Bubbles
Isgrimnur
Lassr
tru1cy
Unagi

If I read you right there's overlap with tru1cy, Lassr, Isgrimnur here too.

Here's a rough list of where I place people from likely evil at the top to good at the bottom.
3. Lassr
1. Isgrimnur
4. Mr. Bubbles
10. Tru1cy
9. Theohall
6. Chaosraven

...Same here.

So, which one of the three to test first? Deadline is coming.

[LordMortis]

and - actually I think I could still go for Remus. He is willing to 'miss' on me, and frankly we would be MUCH better off if we "missed" on him.... OR HIT! At least a miss on him would tell us that RMC is likely trustable.

I'm not confident we have a miss left in us. If I felt we did then my mistrust for Remus' reveal would have left my vote on him. As it goes, I fish elsewhere and see what remus tells us tomorrow.

And to the earlier suggestion that remus will die tonight (I forget who said it) because he can give us more information. I don't buy it. Unless Warpig dies today, there's no way he won't be the target tonight (though I admit I have been wrong before with Trig and purge surviving nights I didn't understand... Which of course is part of why I highly suspect remus)

[Lagom Lite]

Warpig is still alive?

Meh, you're proven anyways.

[LordMortis]

I quoted and rearanged LLs list to make my own. LL is also leaning evil.

So, which one of the three to test first? Deadline is coming.

That would be scoop. The only way my vote is moving is if warpig's vote moves. Stalemating Warpig's vote on a guy who is showing right now, today that he will be no help at all even if he is rebellious is in my opinion an imperial action.

I have no problem with thinking things through even if I think we would have (and perhaps still are) better served in lynching scoop before he appears and quite frankly if scoop appears and shoots someone (presumably me), the direction for tomorrow should be much clearer tomorrow.

[Lagom Lite]

* sigh *

Whatever. I tried. Wake me up if you wise up.

[Unagi]

So, which one of the three to test first? Deadline is coming.

That would be scoop. The only way my vote is moving is if warpig's vote moves. Stalemating Warpig's vote on a guy who is showing right now, today that he will be no help at all even if he is rebellious is in my opinion an imperial action.

I'm of a like mind

[coopasonic]

and - actually I think I could still go for Remus. He is willing to 'miss' on me, and frankly we would be MUCH better off if we "missed" on him.... OR HIT! At least a miss on him would tell us that RMC is likely trustable.

I'm not confident we have a miss left in us. If I felt we did then my mistrust for Remus' reveal would have left my vote on him. As it goes, I fish elsewhere and see what remus tells us tomorrow.

And to the earlier suggestion that remus will die tonight (I forget who said it) because he can give us more information. I don't buy it. Unless Warpig dies today, there's no way he won't be the target tonight (though I admit I have been wrong before with Trig and purge surviving nights I didn't understand... Which of course is part of why I highly suspect remus)

That was me. Yes, warpig is trusted but also powerless. His greatest power now is to mislead people who would follow him blindly (you!) despite the fact he knows nothing and is a rookie at this game and to provide an "alibi" for evil to place votes on good. That power requires him to be alive. C3P0 can provide actual information.

[coopasonic]

That would be scoop. The only way my vote is moving is if warpig's vote moves.

This is dumb. Warpig knows crap about the game and crap about the players. Giving him a second vote just because we know he is a good guy is crazy.

I'm not saying voting for scoop is dumb. I don't know if he is good or evil, but early game he acted good and now he is acting not at all.

If you want to take out someone who is no help now and never was, let's take out tru1cy or Isgrimnur.

[Unagi]

But a "Remus Killed in the Night" would also verifiy:
No Emperor
and that RMC, if Mara, is unconverted

On that note - - why wouldn't Remus WANT to scan for Mara to be sure that RMC isn't just some Imperial that also "knows there isn't an Emperor" and then went on to assume that Mara may not even have made it into the game.

Just struck me that Remus, himself, would maybe want to scan for Mara - yet he questioned the value of that.

[coopasonic]

OK so maybe they leave Remus alive for us to argue about him and mistrust him. There are lots of other targets.

[Chaosraven]

I'm willing to vote for Lassr or Isgrimnur.

[Unagi]

If you want to take out someone who is no help now and never was, let's take out tru1cy or Isgrimnur.

I don't see how Scoop has done a single thing really - accept constantly string us along with 'ketchup' jokes and the such. And, while I think a good deal of Lagom's inspections have value - I didn't really even see where he "cleared Scoop"... was it because known evil players made minor moves against scoop?

In anycase - I don't have a problem voting tru1cy or isgrimnur, but I don't see any real reason to not vote for Sccop.

[RMC]

So, which one of the three to test first? Deadline is coming.

That would be scoop. The only way my vote is moving is if warpig's vote moves. Stalemating Warpig's vote on a guy who is showing right now, today that he will be no help at all even if he is rebellious is in my opinion an imperial action.

I'm of a like mind

I am on the scoop vote, but I really like Tru1cy for team evil. He usually comes in towards the end and contributes in small but meaningful ways...He is not doing that this game, and whether it is because of 100 pages, or he is on team evil I am leaning evil on him.

Scoop I want to lynch just because he is not bantering, and I know he lost work access...But when he has been good in the past, he is more playful(for lack of a better word) and seems to participate with flavor text and some decent insight.

So those are my two priorities for testing tonight, and I can switch to Tru1cy if that is the way other people want to go.

[Unagi]

I'm willing to vote for Lassr or Isgrimnur.

Just 2.

I love it when you are firm.

[LordMortis]

* sigh *

Whatever. I tried. Wake me up if you wise up.

Let's say for a moment that you are on to something and you've found an imperial (and also assume that Remus is trustworthy). 1) You are voting against warpig, so you have to convince 7 of 11 remaining players, 4 of which are empire to vote with you (in the next 37 hours) to kill a team mate. Of those remaining 11, you think scoop is innocent and he's absent. So that's 7 of 10 players 4 of which are imperial that need to be convinced. And then you still run the risk of vote pulling. Much like the votes you and coop pulled off of scoop.

My vote goes nowhere unless warpig's does.

[Lagom Lite]

* sigh *

Whatever. I tried. Wake me up if you wise up.

Let's say for a moment that you are on to something and you've found an imperial (and also assume that Remus is trustworthy). 1) You are voting against warpig, so you have to convince 7 of 11 remaining players, 4 of which are empire to vote with you (in the next 37 hours) to kill a team mate. Of those remaining 11, you think scoop is innocent and he's absent. So that's 7 of 10 players 4 of which are imperial that need to be convinced. And then you still run the risk of vote pulling. Much like the votes you and coop pulled off of scoop.

My vote goes nowhere unless warpig's does.

Well I'm sure Lassr would love to oblige in putting Scoop over the edge.

[Lagom Lite]

So, which one of the three to test first? Deadline is coming.

That would be scoop. The only way my vote is moving is if warpig's vote moves. Stalemating Warpig's vote on a guy who is showing right now, today that he will be no help at all even if he is rebellious is in my opinion an imperial action.

I'm of a like mind

I am on the scoop vote, but I really like Tru1cy for team evil. He usually comes in towards the end and contributes in small but meaningful ways...He is not doing that this game, and whether it is because of 100 pages, or he is on team evil I am leaning evil on him.

Scoop I want to lynch just because he is not bantering, and I know he lost work access...But when he has been good in the past, he is more playful(for lack of a better word) and seems to participate with flavor text and some decent insight.

So those are my two priorities for testing tonight, and I can switch to Tru1cy if that is the way other people want to go.

How do you feel about Lassr and Isgrimnur?