Formula D League Race 2: Sebring
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Hey izzy's dice of doom didn't blow anything up this time!
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Nice. Right 1, forward 18. Last spot in the turn in the middle.
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Done. Cunningham Corner complete.
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Done.
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Let's just try and finish this race. 4th please.
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At this point that could be good for about 4th place, maybe 3rd the way some of us are running.hentzau wrote:Let's just try and finish this race. 4th please.
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Movement roll is 11.hentzau wrote:Let's just try and finish this race. 4th please.
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I mis-read the grid. I can spend the gearbox and brake points to get down to 3rd. It would take the engine to get down to 2nd, which is farther than I need.
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Straight Ahead.
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Re: Formula D League Race 2: Sebring
Done. North Gate Corner 1/2.
Movement roll is 12.El Guapo wrote:5th gear when it gets to me.
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I saw that but I wasn't going to spoil it for you.Isgrimnur wrote:I mis-read the grid. I can spend the gearbox and brake points to get down to 3rd. It would take the engine to get down to 2nd, which is farther than I need.
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Well you are in front of me and based on the fact I have to be careful now, I am not catching up.
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I think I'm about as close to first as I'm going to get, myself.
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Done.
I spend the last brake and transmission points to get down to third gear. Movement roll is 6. Movement is left, forward 6. Le Mans Curve complete.
I spend the last brake and transmission points to get down to third gear. Movement roll is 6. Movement is left, forward 6. Le Mans Curve complete.
Movement roll is 12.coopasonic wrote:5th
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Question for my next move: based on the NickAragua discussion from a few pages ago, you can weave to move around debris, right? So it would be legal for me to move left 1, straight 2, right 1, straight 1, left 1, correct?
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That's clearly scrubbing speed which is only open for abuse in corners where you can follow the arrows to your heart's content. It's up to Isg if he will allow it as I don't think it is laid out clearly in the rules.
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That's what this is, I think:coopasonic wrote:That's clearly scrubbing speed which is only open for abuse in corners where you can follow the arrows to your heart's content. It's up to Isg if he will allow it as I don't think it is laid out clearly in the rules.
NickAragua wrote:Does the 'moving around another car' rule count if the other car is in the next turn? a.k.a. would I be able to come out of my turn on the left side, shift right to behind bb and then move left to avoid him?
Isgrimnur wrote:I have no issues with it. It's a natural driving course rather than one designed to attempt to trim spaces off of movement.
NickAragua wrote:In that case, four forward, two left, one forward, two right, eight forward, one left, one forward.
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The first move there was coming out of a corner following an arrow I believe. That's a different ballgame and why I included that it was open for abuse in corners.
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Why would that matter? As Nick describes it, he comes out of the turn, then (after having exited the turn) shifts right to a spot behind bb, and then moves left to go around him. That's why I'm pretty sure that this is the exact same thing, just that I'm shifting to behind debris rather than shifting behind a car.coopasonic wrote:The first move there was coming out of a corner following an arrow I believe. That's a different ballgame and why I included that it was open for abuse in corners.
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Done.coopasonic wrote:straight 13
In this case, you're already on the straight in a position to avoid the debris. If you move either direction, left or right, you'll need to stay there until entering the turn. You're close enough to "see" the debris and make adjustments after it without deliberately moving into harm's way to need swerving to avoid it. Had you started the turn in the left lane, swerving would be acceptable. In this case, I'm disinclined to allow it.El Guapo wrote:Question for my next move: based on the NickAragua discussion from a few pages ago, you can weave to move around debris, right? So it would be legal for me to move left 1, straight 2, right 1, straight 1, left 1, correct?
Nick exited Turn One in the left lane, shifted to the right lane in the straight, then had to shift to the middle in order to avoid driving into bb2112 when he entered North Gate (Game States 162 and 163).
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That's fine, but what's the rule here?
In both cases the driver's in the straightaway and shifts in both directions with another obstacle involved. It seems like the rule is either "if it looks on the map like the pretend driver can't see the pretend obstacle at the start of the turn, then they can shift to behind said obstacle in a straightaway to shave movement" or either "you can do it unless it feels icky."
In both cases the driver's in the straightaway and shifts in both directions with another obstacle involved. It seems like the rule is either "if it looks on the map like the pretend driver can't see the pretend obstacle at the start of the turn, then they can shift to behind said obstacle in a straightaway to shave movement" or either "you can do it unless it feels icky."
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The arrows in the corners are excluded from the swerve rule.
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Per the Rulebook:
Page 4 wrote:While driving on a straight, a car may only change two lanes.
“Zig-zag” driving on a straight is not allowed. A car may not change lane and return to the same lane during the same movement.
“Zig-zag” driving is allowed when overtaking another car.
Important: The maneuvre must be completed using the smallest number of spaces possible.
In this case, the dangerous space is already avoided by holding your lane, so changing lanes is not required. The requested movement would not be completed in the smallest number of spaces, would be changing lanes to return to the same lane later, and is not for the purpose of overtaking another car.Page 7 wrote:The dangerous spaces can be avoided by changing lanes.
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That's irrelevant, because in Nick's case he had already exited the turn before going right and then left.coopasonic wrote:The arrows in the corners are excluded from the swerve rule.
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It sounds like he was exiting a turn. I certainly don't remember it. There is a rewind feature on my site, but damned if I could match it up to a point in time in the thread.NickAragua wrote:Does the 'moving around another car' rule count if the other car is in the next turn? a.k.a. would I be able to come out of my turn on the left side, shift right to behind bb and then move left to avoid him?
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So is it the case that the rules for overtaking a car are different than the rules for avoiding dangerous spaces? I.e. so if your move involves overtaking a car, that then permits "zig-zag driving", and "zig-zag driving" permits you to move behind the car in order to then move and overtake it. By contrast, dangerous spaces don't allow you to do "zig-zag driving", they just allow you do only what you need to do to avoid them, so you can't move behind them to set up the hazard (whereas you can move behind a car to set up the need to overtake them).Isgrimnur wrote:Per the Rulebook:
Page 4 wrote:While driving on a straight, a car may only change two lanes.
“Zig-zag” driving on a straight is not allowed. A car may not change lane and return to the same lane during the same movement.
“Zig-zag” driving is allowed when overtaking another car.
Important: The maneuvre must be completed using the smallest number of spaces possible.In this case, the dangerous space is already avoided by holding your lane, so changing lanes is not required. The requested movement would not be completed in the smallest number of spaces, would be changing lanes to return to the same lane later, and is not for the purpose of overtaking another car.Page 7 wrote:The dangerous spaces can be avoided by changing lanes.
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You can do it by hitting "previous", then changing the number in the url to the turn number (so replace "202" with "162".coopasonic wrote:It sounds like he was exiting a turn. I certainly don't remember it. There is a rewind feature on my site, but damned if I could match it up to a point in time in the thread.NickAragua wrote:Does the 'moving around another car' rule count if the other car is in the next turn? a.k.a. would I be able to come out of my turn on the left side, shift right to behind bb and then move left to avoid him?
Nick was coming out of a turn during his move. However, the shifting right and then shifting left occurred after he had exited the turn (and so he was on the straightaway at that point):
The bold part was all on the straightaway.NickAragua wrote:In that case, four forward, two left, one forward, two right, eight forward, one left, one forward.
Mostly I'm just curious what the rule is (to the extent that it's not just discretionary).
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Now that I see the move, I am with El Guapo, the two right and back left on the straight were illegal.
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That's correct.El Guapo wrote:So is it the case that the rules for overtaking a car are different than the rules for avoiding dangerous spaces? I.e. so if your move involves overtaking a car, that then permits "zig-zag driving", and "zig-zag driving" permits you to move behind the car in order to then move and overtake it. By contrast, dangerous spaces don't allow you to do "zig-zag driving", they just allow you do only what you need to do to avoid them, so you can't move behind them to set up the hazard (whereas you can move behind a car to set up the need to overtake them).
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Gotcha. Ok, I'm clear now.Isgrimnur wrote:That's correct.El Guapo wrote:So is it the case that the rules for overtaking a car are different than the rules for avoiding dangerous spaces? I.e. so if your move involves overtaking a car, that then permits "zig-zag driving", and "zig-zag driving" permits you to move behind the car in order to then move and overtake it. By contrast, dangerous spaces don't allow you to do "zig-zag driving", they just allow you do only what you need to do to avoid them, so you can't move behind them to set up the hazard (whereas you can move behind a car to set up the need to overtake them).
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To me, the two right was a natural driving movement that would have been a reasonable move for any driver coming out of the turn seeking to adjust movement in a normal manner, and would have entered the turn in the left lane, if able. The presence of bb forced him into a suboptimal path through the turn. Again, to me, the presence of two turns in that movement is what sets it apart.coopasonic wrote:Now that I see the move, I am with El Guapo, the two right and back left on the straight were illegal.
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