And arbitrary endpoints are arbitrary. Show it per capita over a longer time frame with standard deviations and you might be able to make some sense if there is a difference before and after the law.LordMortis wrote:I thought the change of use midstream was strange. I also thought it strange to graph with 0 at the top. The whole things feels intentionally disorienting. All in all it leaves me not making anything of the study.Rip wrote:So is it gun deaths or murders? They are hardly the same thing.
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The issue with the graph, and why it's worth discussing, isn't really about its content. It's that the y-axis has been inverted so that a downward line actually represents an increase in gun deaths/murders/whatever.
Of course, these other questionable items raised further demonstrate what a poorly designed graphic it is.
Of course, these other questionable items raised further demonstrate what a poorly designed graphic it is.
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I'm not going to get into another "misleading graph" argument. I'm just not.
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It's murders. Here are the numbers per 100,000 population (I'm not going to put them into a graph). I don't know statistics well, but I don't think standard deviation applies here, since these are concrete numbers, not estimates or averages.stessier wrote:And arbitrary endpoints are arbitrary. Show it per capita over a longer time frame with standard deviations and you might be able to make some sense if there is a difference before and after the law.LordMortis wrote:I thought the change of use midstream was strange. I also thought it strange to graph with 0 at the top. The whole things feels intentionally disorienting. All in all it leaves me not making anything of the study.Rip wrote:So is it gun deaths or murders? They are hardly the same thing.
Source (which goes back to the 70s if you want to see a longer time frame).
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1991 9.7
1992 8.9
1993 8.7
1994 8.3
1995 7.3
1996 7.5
1997 6.9
1998 6.4
1999 5.6
2000 5.6
2001 5.3
2002 5.43
2003 5.41
2004 5.4
2005 4.9
2006 6.2
2007 6.4
2008 6.2
2009 5.4
2010 5.3
2011 5.2
2012 5.3
2013 5
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I don't find it misleading at all. But then I look at graphs all day long and always take time to figure out what I'm looking at. I could see it messing up someone doing a drive by interpretation, but that's really on them.
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Thanks. Yeah, standard deviation was wrong - this is better looked at in an Individual/Moving Range chart. From that, we see that the Moving Range chart is in control. The per capital death rate also shows a steady decline from 1991-2005 and then a slight tick up in 2006 but in decline since then. There's no statistical difference from 1997 through 2013. Fun.AWS260 wrote:It's murders. Here are the numbers per 100,000 population (I'm not going to put them into a graph). I don't know statistics well, but I don't think standard deviation applies here, since these are concrete numbers, not estimates or averages.stessier wrote:And arbitrary endpoints are arbitrary. Show it per capita over a longer time frame with standard deviations and you might be able to make some sense if there is a difference before and after the law.LordMortis wrote:I thought the change of use midstream was strange. I also thought it strange to graph with 0 at the top. The whole things feels intentionally disorienting. All in all it leaves me not making anything of the study.Rip wrote:So is it gun deaths or murders? They are hardly the same thing.
Source (which goes back to the 70s if you want to see a longer time frame).And since this is the Pictures thread,Code: Select all
1991 9.7 1992 8.9 1993 8.7 1994 8.3 1995 7.3 1996 7.5 1997 6.9 1998 6.4 1999 5.6 2000 5.6 2001 5.3 2002 5.43 2003 5.41 2004 5.4 2005 4.9 2006 6.2 2007 6.4 2008 6.2 2009 5.4 2010 5.3 2011 5.2 2012 5.3 2013 5
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They also refer to homicides which makes it even more confusing.LordMortis wrote:I thought the change of use midstream was strange. I also thought it strange to graph with 0 at the top. The whole things feels intentionally disorienting. All in all it leaves me not making anything of the study.Rip wrote:So is it gun deaths or murders? They are hardly the same thing.
gun deaths != homicides != murders
Three terms with different meanings.
Not even touching on the issue that an increase in justifiable homicides might increase just because crooks get killed in situation they may have previously escaped from without harm and murders may increase because criminals that would have offended and escaped murdered someone confronting them who is armed.
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That's the replacement for Corbet, yes? I know he was often on Stewart's show.
If an animated .gif can be that funny, I might have to stop by and see how the show itself is doing.
If an animated .gif can be that funny, I might have to stop by and see how the show itself is doing.
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He was part of the Daily Show before getting his own show on HBO. See his YouTube channel for some clips. He has essentially taken the Daily Show to HBO except doing it once a week.GreenGoo wrote:That's the replacement for Corbet, yes? I know he was often on Stewart's show.
If an animated .gif can be that funny, I might have to stop by and see how the show itself is doing.
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I knew W. was going to find a way to get around the two term limit thing! A little nip and tuck, some skin colorization, and BAM! Bush is now Obama.
That might actually explain a few things . . . .
That might actually explain a few things . . . .
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Not exactly R&P... but close enough.
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"CLEAR!"Kasey Chang wrote:Not exactly R&P... but close enough.
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I hear they can unhinge their jaws to get something that big down. Creepy, man!
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Lol. The notes are actually from Walmart? I thought it was a parody. I'm serious.
Good times.
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Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
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Your point? The writer didn't claim to have invited the idea of redlining an article.Fireball wrote:Seems familiar.
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Here's another link to the same video.Kraken wrote:McAfee hates your link.
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Looks more like a game trailer than a film.Moliere wrote:Here's another link to the same video.Kraken wrote:McAfee hates your link.
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Maybe next year, maybe no go
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I must be missing something. What's so special about Obama and John Kerry shaking hands?
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Is the little guy mini-Obama?
Isn't there a height requirement for the Secret Service?
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I have that mask. It's spectacular.
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I was thinking that Sarah Jessica Parker has big arms.LordMortis wrote:I must be missing something. What's so special about Obama and John Kerry shaking hands?
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Two in one day? This might be one of the greatest pictures ever taken.
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Rick Perry: "When I'm president.... wait. Why are you all laughing?"Smoove_B wrote:Two in one day? This might be one of the greatest pictures ever taken.
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Are those name tags in front of them on the table?
That's....interesting.
That's....interesting.
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I feel like someone with Photshop skills could add a Dungeon Masters screen, some dice and a viking helmet to Governor Perry and it would be perfect.
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Say his name three times and he appears.Smoove_B wrote:I feel like someone with Photshop skills could add a Dungeon Masters screen, some dice and a viking helmet to Governor Perry and it would be perfect.