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Stephen King's 'Dark Tower' Set For Film Trilogy, TV Series
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Goldmans point of view is pretty cut and dry. You can disagree with the casting, hes fine with that. What hes not fine with is if your disagreement is based in racism. Or if your responses are racist, because I can guarantee he has received some pretty vile and hateful correspondence, over this cast choice. He does not have 3 defined groups in mind. That is your definition of the situation not his. He can not be held responsible for your definitions and you can not define his intent by your beliefs.
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Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
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King might have revealed more than he intended...or maybe he's just not really good at communicating in 144 characters or less. I suppose I should spoiler this in case anyone hasn't read the books yet (why are you in this thread?):
Spoiler:
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Now *that* I could probably get behind.
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That would definitely be bananas.
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Morgan Freeman as Red in Shawshank was fantastic and I have no problem with this.
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Polygon has up a leaked trailer. Watch it before Sony has it pulled
http://www.polygon.com/2016/10/10/13228 ... ak]trailer
http://www.polygon.com/2016/10/10/13228 ... ak]trailer
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Whoa. Nice find. I'm not really sure what to make of it, but I'm really hoping the earlier rumors regarding what the movie represents (and why it could be so different from the books) is true.
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Delayed to Summer 2017
Regarding the leak:Sony has informed distributors that the new release date will be July 28.
$60 million for this film seems...surprisingly low.A trailer leak last month featured mostly rough visual effects, and the filmmakers have discovered that the aggressive February timeline isn’t enough time to get the sci-fi/fantasy epic into shape, given its financial constraints. The film has a surprisingly low cost of about $60 million, and the choice was either to add millions more to the budget to speed up the work, or push to a later date. “It’s a very fiscally responsible budget, and trying to stay in budget to make money and stay profitable means the VFX won’t be finished in time [for February],” one source tells EW, on condition of anonymity. “Now that there’s more time, they’re not paying rush charges to get the effects where they need to be.”
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How does more time mean cheaper effects?
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Classic scope triangle. You want it fast and you want it high quality? Prepare to pay.
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Isgrimnur wrote:How does more time mean cheaper effects?
they’re not paying rush charges to get the effects where they need to be.”
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
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Reading fail.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Looks like we're getting something tomorrow. But I'll admit, seeing the actual exchange in my Twitter feed made me giddy.
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Whew, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was considerably underwhelmed by that trailer.
Here's my problem:
1. I still don't buy Idris Elba as Roland. Sorry, I don't. I didn't like the casting when it was first announced, then I tried to keep an open mind, but now seeing it in the trailer I realize it's just not going to work for me. And if I can't buy Roland, then the entire movie falls apart. And again, it has nothing to do with racism as I looooooove Idris Elba. It's just that I have spent the last 30 years with this character that has been described countless times in books and comic books one way, and then this movie goes in a completely different direction. I'd have had just as much problem buying it if they had cast Tom Cruise or Ben Affleck.
2. The trailer definitely feels like they're trying to cram too much story into one film. All I could think of was "Dark Tower: Cliff Notes Edition."
3. The tone just feels......off. I get the feeling that just like Paul Feig's Ghostbusters, this is a film created by a person who understands the story, characters, and plot on a very thin surface level. But they don't understand the film from a fan level. And fans can see through that charade a mile away.
I hope I'm wrong, but my Spidey sense is definitely setting off alarms right now.
Here's my problem:
1. I still don't buy Idris Elba as Roland. Sorry, I don't. I didn't like the casting when it was first announced, then I tried to keep an open mind, but now seeing it in the trailer I realize it's just not going to work for me. And if I can't buy Roland, then the entire movie falls apart. And again, it has nothing to do with racism as I looooooove Idris Elba. It's just that I have spent the last 30 years with this character that has been described countless times in books and comic books one way, and then this movie goes in a completely different direction. I'd have had just as much problem buying it if they had cast Tom Cruise or Ben Affleck.
2. The trailer definitely feels like they're trying to cram too much story into one film. All I could think of was "Dark Tower: Cliff Notes Edition."
3. The tone just feels......off. I get the feeling that just like Paul Feig's Ghostbusters, this is a film created by a person who understands the story, characters, and plot on a very thin surface level. But they don't understand the film from a fan level. And fans can see through that charade a mile away.
I hope I'm wrong, but my Spidey sense is definitely setting off alarms right now.
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It's disorienting to watch because whatever they just portrayed in the trailer seems like it should be The Dark Tower story but it's not quite right. I keep telling myself that the rumored spoiler regarding the movie (i.e. when this movie story takes place) is the best explanation I can hope for as clearly the exact story of the books isn't being depicted here. I've read the Dark Tower series more than any other book or series of books so to say I have high hopes is an understatement. I can still very clearly remember reading The Gunslinger for the first time.
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I've only read the first three or four Dark Tower books, but almost nothing in that trailer seemed familiar to me (the exceptions being the Man in Black and the words of the Gunslinger). It has been six years since I've read the books, though.
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Apparently the trailer is filled with all kinds of interesting things. Had to watch it again to see this at the 1:30 mark:
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I read the original Dark Tower a long time about but I'm pretty sure I never read whatever that trailer was for.
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Having never read the books, that trailer was rather 'meh'. As much as I love Elba and like Mcconaughey, that looked like nothing more than a generic, boilerplate fantasy film. Based on the reaction, I'm guessing the books are quite different than what was depicted there.
I should probably get around to reading them someday.
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After watching the trailer, I think it's best if I give up hope of seeing a faithful adaptation of the books. That's not what this is.
That's disappointing, but we're still left with a movie at least "inspired by" the books with two great actors who can maybe create some compelling characters. Maybe if I lower my expectations enough I'll still enjoy it.
That's disappointing, but we're still left with a movie at least "inspired by" the books with two great actors who can maybe create some compelling characters. Maybe if I lower my expectations enough I'll still enjoy it.
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Nothing short of an episodic hourly drama that unfolds over multiple seasons would ever come close to a faithful adaptation of the books. The fact that Jake is seemingly trying to convince Roland that he needs to save the Tower should be a big clue that this isn't the story we've all read.msteelers wrote:I think it's best if I give up hope of seeing a faithful adaptation of the books.
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I second that. Someday I'll have to read it.Skinypupy wrote:I should probably get around to reading them someday.
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I don't know that it could possible live up to the hype, but as someone that blasted through the first three books in 1991 and then had to wait 6 years to read book #4, and then another 6 years to read #5 you all have it lucky. Punks.
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never read the books, thought the trailer looked cool.
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I largely agree. We've seen so many epic TV shows in the past couple of years that it's easy to believe that someone like HBO or Netflix would get it right.Smoove_B wrote:Nothing short of an episodic hourly drama that unfolds over multiple seasons would ever come close to a faithful adaptation of the books. The fact that Jake is seemingly trying to convince Roland that he needs to save the Tower should be a big clue that this isn't the story we've all read.msteelers wrote:I think it's best if I give up hope of seeing a faithful adaptation of the books.
This will never happen but I think a cinematic universe of King's work, with the Dark Tower as the backbone, would be amazing.
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My cousin said the same thing.naednek wrote:never read the books, thought the trailer looked cool.
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I've read the books, and the trailer seemed decent. I'm not married to a faithful retelling of the books, though. Much of King's work doesn't translate well to the screen, so if they have to make serious changes to make the movie, fine. I'd rather have a good movie that deviates from the source material than a bad movie that is faithful to the source material.
I'll obviously withhold final judgment on this until I see it. If I can make a suggestion to the more rabid DT fans here, though, it would be to come to terms with the fact that this movie will not be a faithful adaptation of the books, the story will not be told in the same manner/chronology as the books, it will not be an HBO series, and Idris Elba will not be white. That ship has sailed. If you want any chance at enjoying this movie, then let all of that go and take the movie for what it is. (After we've all seen it, of course, we can then go back to talking about how much they screwed up this element or that, or how they actually improved on something.)
I'll obviously withhold final judgment on this until I see it. If I can make a suggestion to the more rabid DT fans here, though, it would be to come to terms with the fact that this movie will not be a faithful adaptation of the books, the story will not be told in the same manner/chronology as the books, it will not be an HBO series, and Idris Elba will not be white. That ship has sailed. If you want any chance at enjoying this movie, then let all of that go and take the movie for what it is. (After we've all seen it, of course, we can then go back to talking about how much they screwed up this element or that, or how they actually improved on something.)
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Ummm...spoiler?ImLawBoy wrote:Idris Elba will not be white.
But yes, as I said, if the spoiler that has been suggested as to what this movie represents in the telling of The Dark Tower story is true, I think it will be ok. If what is rumored to have been the framework for this movie isn't true...trouble.
Spoiler:
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The best part of the trailer was the music. I recognized it immediately from the movie For a Few Dollars More. Its a nice nod to the "real" Roland, Clint Eastwoods Man with No Name. The rest.... meh. It seems to run from Jakes point of view and has a watered down YA vibe to it. I think the only way Ill be able to watch without disappointment is to accept that this is not the Dark Tower timeline from the books but a different timeline in one of Rolands many attempts to set things right. Ill also have a tough time with Elba, who simply does not work as The Gunslinger for me. Thats coming from someone who likes Idris and thinks he is a fine actor and actually thought it would work earlier. Now seeing him in the role, he just doesn't fit. To be honest I would rather see the actors in the roles of Roland and the Man in Black reversed. But I guess it's far too late for that so I will have to get past my reservations.
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
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I guess my problem with the whole "this is not the same timeline" thing is that it seems like a cop out. It's basically exploiting the "many worlds" premise of the book to justify the fact that you can't make a faithful adaptation. King unintentionally gave every hack working on this thing a built-in excuse as to why it doesn't resemble the source material.
Though I will say that "Idris Elba will not be white" line made me LOL at work.
Though I will say that "Idris Elba will not be white" line made me LOL at work.
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We can do that two, three times tops.YellowKing wrote:I guess my problem with the whole "this is not the same timeline" thing is that it seems like a cop out. It's basically exploiting the "many worlds" premise of the book to justify the fact that you can't make a faithful adaptation. King unintentionally gave every hack working on this thing a built-in excuse as to why it doesn't resemble the source material.
Though I will say that "Idris Elba will not be white" line made me LOL at work.
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It might be a total cop-out or it could be a way to craft a story that follows the same general narrative as the books without alienating people that haven't ever read them. If the movie is a different interpretation on the journey to the Tower but it's filled with references to the novels (and related books) that only the "faithful readers" pick up on, I think it might actually be pretty cool. I mean, let's not pretend King's fascination with all things Harry Potter was a great addition to book #5.
But I swear to God, if Jake is ever in front of a computer terminal and while trying to "hack" a beam says, "It's a Unix system - I know this!" I will get up and walk out.
But I swear to God, if Jake is ever in front of a computer terminal and while trying to "hack" a beam says, "It's a Unix system - I know this!" I will get up and walk out.
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I've made two attempts with the 2nd leaving off where Roland is leaving some kind of mountain / Moria like place...Paingod wrote:I second that. Someday I'll have to read it.Skinypupy wrote:I should probably get around to reading them someday.
I'm sure I will love it..just hasn't stuck yet. I did the same thing with Song of Ice and Fire..for whatever reason it took me over a year after AGoT to get through ACoK but from then on the rest were devoured right away.
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I have no idea if the movie will be good or not, but they have made it abundantly clear that this is NOT a retelling of the books. It is a follow up to the books. Roland has the horn. And I believe the plan is to follow the movie with a series, but I am sure that won't happen if the movie flops.
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I've only read the first book, so am not a freak fan. If I could survive goddamn surfing Elves, I'll survive this.
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Wait, what?? 'Splain yerrself.Smoove_B wrote:I mean, let's not pretend King's fascination with all things Harry Potter was a great addition to book #5.
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Lot of comments here cover my feelings as well - Idris is just not Roland. I like the guy as an actor but he just seems horribly miscast here. Definitely feeling the YA vibe as well, and the "too much story for too little movie" feeling. If LOTR took three movies, the Dark Tower just can't be crammed into one without cutting out huge chunks of the story.
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The last time I had this much confusion as to what a movie was trying to be, it was another Sony fiasco called GHOSTBUSTERS.