I know they were in my case.Holman wrote: In most cases the late-19th century statues--especially statues of soldiers instead of individual generals--were a somewhat different thing from the 20th-century erections.
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I know they were in my case.Holman wrote: In most cases the late-19th century statues--especially statues of soldiers instead of individual generals--were a somewhat different thing from the 20th-century erections.
BREAKING: After alt-right organizers saw huge counter-protests in Boston, they've canceled 67 "America First Rallies" scheduled in 36 states
— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) August 22, 2017
Hopefully the alt-right can get a huge makeover without the KKK and Nazis getting involved. Son's of Liberty sounds much better to me than alt-right. Seems like it would be hard to sully that name. Fiscal Conservatives sounds good too, leave all the other crap at the door.Defiant wrote:BREAKING: After alt-right organizers saw huge counter-protests in Boston, they've canceled 67 "America First Rallies" scheduled in 36 states
— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) August 22, 2017
Fiscal Conservatives? No. No no no no no. Don't you dare lump in what a lot of perfectly reasonable people in this country are with those alt-right nutjobs.em2nought wrote:Hopefully the alt-right can get a huge makeover without the KKK and Nazis getting involved. Son's of Liberty sounds much better to me than alt-right. Seems like it would be hard to sully that name. Fiscal Conservatives sounds good too, leave all the other crap at the door.Defiant wrote:BREAKING: After alt-right organizers saw huge counter-protests in Boston, they've canceled 67 "America First Rallies" scheduled in 36 states
— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) August 22, 2017
Right. Because their name, not their actions, is clearly what's holding them back.em2nought wrote:Hopefully the alt-right can get a huge makeover without the KKK and Nazis getting involved. Son's of Liberty sounds much better to me than alt-right. Seems like it would be hard to sully that name. Fiscal Conservatives sounds good too, leave all the other crap at the door.Defiant wrote:BREAKING: After alt-right organizers saw huge counter-protests in Boston, they've canceled 67 "America First Rallies" scheduled in 36 states
— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) August 22, 2017
I guess you didn't give any credence to where I write "leave all the other crap at the door"? A fiscal conservative is pretty much 99% of what I am.pr0ner wrote:Fiscal Conservatives? No. No no no no no. Don't you dare lump in what a lot of perfectly reasonable people in this country are with those alt-right nutjobs.em2nought wrote: Fiscal Conservatives sounds good too, leave all the other crap at the door.
But then there's that last 1%......em2nought wrote: A fiscal conservative is pretty much 99% of what I am.
Why would we?em2nought wrote: I guess you didn't give any credence to where I write "leave all the other crap at the door"?
F' offAlefroth wrote:Why would we?em2nought wrote: I guess you didn't give any credence to where I write "leave all the other crap at the door"?
You really think 4 guys would have much power though?em2nought wrote:
Hopefully the alt-right can get a huge makeover without the KKK and Nazis getting involved.
Which is the part of you that feels that colloquialisms from the 1940s and earlier are just part of everyday normal communications on the internet in 2017?em2nought wrote:A fiscal conservative is pretty much 99% of what I am.
No shit. The republican party already had long since chased me away. (Which is not to say I'm perfectly reasonable, though I have strong fiscal conservative leaning in many areas) I won't accept being embraced by Nazis and their apologists. They can fuck the hell right off.pr0ner wrote:Fiscal Conservatives? No. No no no no no. Don't you dare lump in what a lot of perfectly reasonable people in this country are with those alt-right nutjobs.em2nought wrote:Hopefully the alt-right can get a huge makeover without the KKK and Nazis getting involved. Son's of Liberty sounds much better to me than alt-right. Seems like it would be hard to sully that name. Fiscal Conservatives sounds good too, leave all the other crap at the door.Defiant wrote:BREAKING: After alt-right organizers saw huge counter-protests in Boston, they've canceled 67 "America First Rallies" scheduled in 36 states
— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) August 22, 2017
Fortunate Son seems more appropriate to the discussion.em2nought wrote:I guess you didn't give any credence to where I write "leave all the other crap at the door"? A fiscal conservative is pretty much 99% of what I am.pr0ner wrote:Fiscal Conservatives? No. No no no no no. Don't you dare lump in what a lot of perfectly reasonable people in this country are with those alt-right nutjobs.em2nought wrote: Fiscal Conservatives sounds good too, leave all the other crap at the door.
And now I gotta go listen to some CCR because I wrote the word. lol "do, do, do lookin' out my backdoor."
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — As demonstrators clashed near a downtown park here two weeks ago, a white nationalist protester in a bulletproof vest turned, pointed a pistol toward the crowd and fired a single shot at the ground, in the direction of a black man wielding an improvised torch.
To make his escape, a video recording shows, the armed protester strolled past a line of about a dozen state police troopers who were safely positioned about 10 feet away behind two metal barricades. None of them budged.
“We all heard it and ran — I know damn well they heard it,” said Rosia Parker, a community activist in Charlottesville. “They never moved.”
It wasn't the safety. He didn't have a round in the chamber. He tried to fire, got a no-bang, and racked the slide (with some difficulty, fwiw). On the one hand at least he wasn't walking around hot. On the other, he meant to fire at someone, he pulled the trigger on them, but having to chamber a round either meant he lost his target or thought better of it and shot into the ground.Holman wrote:He first points it at head height and (some people say--I can't tell) appears to squeeze the trigger. The safety is on, and this gives him a second to rethink before he un-safeties it and then fires at a low angle.
If this guy doesn't go to jail, what is the point of gun laws? Pretty sure it's illegal to fire into a crowd.Carpet_pissr wrote:Definitely need more guns, and more lax gun laws.
A man who is suspected of firing a gun at counterprotesters during the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, earlier this month has been arrested, police said Saturday.
Richard Wilson Preston, 52, was arrested following the release of a video, filmed by the ACLU of Virginia, that allegedly shows him in a verbal altercation on August 12 with counterprotestors near the Southwest corner of Emancipation Park. In the video, counterprotesters appear to throw objects at right-wing marchers.
With his pistol out and pointed at the crowd, he walks toward them before pausing, taking a step back, and racking the slide to load a bullet in his weapon's chamber. The man aims again, seemingly lower, and quickly fires a shot, before turning around, holstering his weapon, and rejoining the march.
As the camera pans to follow the man, police officers in high-visibility vests -- including Virginia State Police troopers in their distinctive hats -- can be seen manning barricades some 50 feet away. They appear not to react to the shot.
Aside from identifying the shooter in the video as Preston, Charlottesville police spokesman Lt. Thomas McKean declined to comment.
The Virginia State Police confirmed Saturday that their officers were nearby, but said they were unaware of the incident.
"From where they were standing, none was witness to the incident," Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller told CNN in an email. "Nor did they hear the single shot being fired because it was muffled by the loud volume of the crowd yelling and chanting, drums and music."
The Virginia State Police confirmed Saturday that their officers were nearby, but said they were unaware of the incident.
"From where they were standing, none was witness to the incident," Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller told CNN in an email. "Nor did they hear the single shot being fired because it was muffled by the loud volume of the crowd yelling and chanting, drums and music."
They were 10 feet away. It was at least a 9mm. If they were "unaware" is wasn't an accident.Rip wrote:Perhaps you guys missed it.
The Virginia State Police confirmed Saturday that their officers were nearby, but said they were unaware of the incident.
"From where they were standing, none was witness to the incident," Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller told CNN in an email. "Nor did they hear the single shot being fired because it was muffled by the loud volume of the crowd yelling and chanting, drums and music."
The shot was in between them and the other noise sources. Unless those cops all had earbuds in and had death metal roaring in their ears, you can't miss a gunshot from even 50 feet away, regardless of crowd size and drumbeats.Rip wrote:Perhaps you guys missed it.
The Virginia State Police confirmed Saturday that their officers were nearby, but said they were unaware of the incident.
"From where they were standing, none was witness to the incident," Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller told CNN in an email. "Nor did they hear the single shot being fired because it was muffled by the loud volume of the crowd yelling and chanting, drums and music."
You're right. Nothing like that has ever happened in this country before that might cause people to suspect the police in that area of the country might be inclined to ignore a white man firing a gun at a black man.Rip wrote:That is silly. Suggesting that cops would just purposely ignore a man firing a gun in a crowd of people is ridiculous.
Until you factor in that once they were aware they did arrest him and it appears he will be prosecuted. I live in the south and I can say I have never met a cop that would ignore someone firing a weapon in a crowd, no matter their skin color.Chaz wrote:You're right. Nothing like that has ever happened in this country before that might cause people to suspect the police in that area of the country might be inclined to ignore a white man firing a gun at a black man.Rip wrote:That is silly. Suggesting that cops would just purposely ignore a man firing a gun in a crowd of people is ridiculous.
While I'm not saying there was definitely a racial element going on here, there is a certain history with regards to policing in the south that means it's not exactly out of the question.
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It's a dangerous job with shitty pay and it no longer commands the respect it used to.Rip wrote:No wonder no one is interested in being a cop anymore.
He was arrested after the feds and the ACLU got involved.Rip wrote:Until you factor in that once they were aware they did arrest him and it appears he will be prosecuted.Chaz wrote:You're right. Nothing like that has ever happened in this country before that might cause people to suspect the police in that area of the country might be inclined to ignore a white man firing a gun at a black man.Rip wrote:That is silly. Suggesting that cops would just purposely ignore a man firing a gun in a crowd of people is ridiculous.
While I'm not saying there was definitely a racial element going on here, there is a certain history with regards to policing in the south that means it's not exactly out of the question.
Not hearing of something doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Like I said, it's not purely a race thing. The shooter was a racist, yes. But the police are political pawns and they weren't there to make firearm arrests.I live in the south and I can say I have never met a cop that would ignore someone firing a weapon in a crowd, no matter their skin color.
Most cops I know are burned out and depressed. It's a shitty job a lot of the time.No wonder no one is interested in being a cop anymore.