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Wow Donnys doing good. Behaving exactly how I figured he would.


Are Americans really this stupid?
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Just pointing out that there are several topics where Trump and his antics are being discussed. Need for pitchforks being covered.
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"c'mon people, you're letting me down"

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I'm pissed about Trump. I'm pissed that the GoP has managed to dupe significant amount of our population. I don't want to be in the same country as these assholes. I say let the country rip itself to shreds. Build over new.
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Drazzil wrote:Wow Donnys doing good. Behaving exactly how I figured he would.


Are Americans really this stupid?
The answer is becoming increasingly more obvious. Yes.
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I figured if Trump got into office he would either be the best president we ever had or be the guy that would drive us towards a revolution. Now Trump's literally way worse then I figured, but Americans are just bending over and taking it.

What f_cking gives?
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Drazzil wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:01 pm I figured if Trump got into office he would either be the best president we ever had or be the guy that would drive us towards a revolution. Now Trump's literally way worse then I figured, but Americans are just bending over and taking it.

What f_cking gives?
First how could you possibly imagine he would be the best president we ever had? Second, what exactly, are you expecting anyone to do about it? Mueller is investigating the Russia angle, Congress is having a field day and the rest of us don't have much power until November 2018.
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Because the government isn't his friend and/or the man is keeping him down.

Drumpf was neither the government nor the man (he most certainly was to anyone near his influence).
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Drazzil wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:43 pm Wow Donnys doing good. Behaving exactly how I figured he would.


Are Americans really this stupid?
Mostly because Mueller's still on the job, IMHO. If Trump were to fire Mueller, I do believe that there would be riots in the street.
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coopasonic wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:04 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:01 pm I figured if Trump got into office he would either be the best president we ever had or be the guy that would drive us towards a revolution. Now Trump's literally way worse then I figured, but Americans are just bending over and taking it.

What f_cking gives?
First how could you possibly imagine he would be the best president we ever had? Second, what exactly, are you expecting anyone to do about it? Mueller is investigating the Russia angle, Congress is having a field day and the rest of us don't have much power until November 2018.
First. I figured ya know maybe some big public spending, maybe repeal nafta? Second I figured by now his actions would ha e vaused rioting or at least large scale protest.
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So you believe NAFTA was bad for the US, or you personally?

Is it your belief that things will be better for the US when NAFTA is gone?

Why do you believe that, if so?
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GreenGoo wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:14 pm So you believe NAFTA was bad for the US, or you personally?

Is it your belief that things will be better for the US when NAFTA is gone?

Why do you believe that, if so?
I believe that anytime you take a huge swath of jobs and move them overseas you produce a large drag on the economy that is not fixed with cheap stuff.

I think that manufacturing would come back in some part if NAFTA were gone.
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China isn’t part of NAFTA. Manufacturing of cheap crap isn’t coming back. Go read First Contract. It’s a good sci-do novel with some economic lessons in it.
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Drazzil wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:47 pm I believe that anytime you take a huge swath of jobs and move them overseas you produce a large drag on the economy that is not fixed with cheap stuff.

I think that manufacturing would come back in some part if NAFTA were gone.
As Isgrim points out, that's not what NAFTA does. The NA is for North America.

Perhaps you were just using the wrong acronym? Hence my questions, although it sort of made sense, since Drumpf hates competition and has decided that the best way for America to succeed on the global stage is to run a protectionist market. Or at least that's what he claims he wants to do, and sure makes a lot of noise about it.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:02 pm China isn’t part of NAFTA. Manufacturing of cheap crap isn’t coming back. Go read First Contract. It’s a good sci-do novel with some economic lessons in it.
Well it's not cheap crap if it's built in the US, no matter how crappy it is. That's mostly why it's made elsewhere.
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Drazzil wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:43 pm Wow Donnys doing good. Behaving exactly how I figured he would.


Are Americans really this stupid?
Drazzil wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:01 pm I figured if Trump got into office he would either be the best president we ever had or [...]
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Drazzil wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:43 pm Are Americans really this stupid?
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coopasonic wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:04 pmSecond, what exactly, are you expecting anyone to do about it? Mueller is investigating the Russia angle, Congress is having a field day and the rest of us don't have much power until November 2018.
Start volunteering for or donating to the '18 campaigns of Democratic candidates? :think:
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GreenGoo wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:17 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:47 pm I believe that anytime you take a huge swath of jobs and move them overseas you produce a large drag on the economy that is not fixed with cheap stuff.

I think that manufacturing would come back in some part if NAFTA were gone.
As Isgrim points out, that's not what NAFTA does. The NA is for North America.

Perhaps you were just using the wrong acronym? Hence my questions, although it sort of made sense, since Drumpf hates competition and has decided that the best way for America to succeed on the global stage is to run a protectionist market. Or at least that's what he claims he wants to do, and sure makes a lot of noise about it.
He sure makes a lot of noise about it yeah but he hasent done anything to make good on that noise.

If I were him I'd tear up or phase out our current agreements with China too. Russia would be old news. Buried under page 5.

But that isin't what Trump's doing.
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Trump is President because people expect him to perform the miracles he promised. But he can't.

You drank the snake oil to feel better when the adult thing would be to demand a better medicine. But it's poison. And if anyone read the label, it was clearly marked poison.
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Drazzil wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:47 pm
GreenGoo wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:14 pm So you believe NAFTA was bad for the US, or you personally?

Is it your belief that things will be better for the US when NAFTA is gone?

Why do you believe that, if so?
I believe that anytime you take a huge swath of jobs and move them overseas you produce a large drag on the economy that is not fixed with cheap stuff.

I think that manufacturing would come back in some part if NAFTA were gone.
lol, seriously, you'll be worse off without it than with it.

I'm also laughing at his extra taxes on wood, like it matters to Canada we simply raised the prices to US customers so once again you guys are getting fucked by Trump and his "top negotiation" tactics.

I feel bad for you guys since 99% of the people on this forum would never think of voting for that maniac but I don't feel bad for the US as a whole hopefully the wakeup call will finally bring the country in the 21st century.
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GreenGoo wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:14 pm So you believe NAFTA was bad for the US, or you personally?

Is it your belief that things will be better for the US when NAFTA is gone?

Why do you believe that, if so?
I believe that anytime you take a huge swath of jobs and move them overseas you produce a large drag on the economy that is not fixed with cheap stuff.

I think that manufacturing would come back in some part if NAFTA were gone.
Manufacturing will only come back as automated. Also, post nafta,the manufacturing all went to China, not Mexico/Canada.
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The whole point of NAFTA was to create a unified trading block that could compete with the rising China manufacturing juggernaut. The major companies are going to manufacture where it's cheapest, period.
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Vorret wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:05 pmhopefully the wakeup call will finally bring the country in the 21st century.
I'm more worried that it's a beginning to an era where America spends 87% of its energy fighting itself. Drunk, staggering across a field, and finally fallen into a pit trap set by Russia.
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Pretty sure we are in the trap now. It was sprung already, and it's taken us this long to realize it (since one half of the country is vehemently denying that a trap is even plausible).
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Zarathud wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:41 am Trump is President because people expect him to perform the miracles he promised. But he can't.

You drank the snake oil to feel better when the adult thing would be to demand a better medicine. But it's poison. And if anyone read the label, it was clearly marked poison.
I drank no snake oil. I voted for Bernie. I also figured Trump was poison. I just figured he woild be overthrown, assassinated or driven out of office by now, but no such luck.
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I'm so pissed at the process now that I think my new voting strategy will be a little different from now on. I'm going to keep voting the worst guys (or gals) into office until the whole thing comes down on top of DC and the bodies are stacked up like cordwood on the steeets.

This seems to be the only way out at this point.
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Drazzil wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:00 pm I'm so pissed at the process now that I think my new voting strategy will be a little different from now on. I'm going to keep voting the worst guys (or gals) into office until the whole thing comes down on top of DC and the bodies are stacked up like cordwood on the steeets.

This seems to be the only way out at this point.
That's pretty fucked up.
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pr0ner wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:15 pm
Drazzil wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:00 pm I'm so pissed at the process now that I think my new voting strategy will be a little different from now on. I'm going to keep voting the worst guys (or gals) into office until the whole thing comes down on top of DC and the bodies are stacked up like cordwood on the steeets.

This seems to be the only way out at this point.
That's pretty fucked up.
We've been over this before. Drazzil seems to continually overlook the fact that the poor and disenfranchised people are almost certainly going to be the first to suffer from a collapse of society. Survivalist fantasies not withstanding, of course.

It's Drazzil's body that will most likely end up on the heap, not the "man's".
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GreenGoo wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:22 pm
pr0ner wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:15 pm
Drazzil wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:00 pm I'm so pissed at the process now that I think my new voting strategy will be a little different from now on. I'm going to keep voting the worst guys (or gals) into office until the whole thing comes down on top of DC and the bodies are stacked up like cordwood on the steeets.

This seems to be the only way out at this point.

That's pretty fucked up.
We've been over this before. Drazzil seems to continually overlook the fact that the poor and disenfranchised people are almost certainly going to be the first to suffer from a collapse of society. Survivalist fantasies not withstanding, of course.

It's Drazzil's body that will most likely end up on the heap, not the "man's".
You're most likely right. I would probabally be one of the first killed where I'm at. Im no stranger to the stuff that goes down. I just dont see another way out, so with all due respect, I'll take my chances.
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I think that I would rather take my chances the soonest to now as I can rather then kick the can another 20 or 30 years when I'm too old to do anything useful.
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I am quite sure we all have/will take our chances. The restart game button is non-functional.

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Drazzil wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:48 pmYou're most likely right. I would probabally be one of the first killed where I'm at. Im no stranger to the stuff that goes down. I just dont see another way out, so with all due respect, I'll take my chances.
So in your example, you'd vote for a Roy Moore candidate simply because he's an awful, degenerate human being? The idea being that he helps burn down the system faster? I get your sentiment, but there's a huge difference between thinking you'll vote for a sack of human excrement and then actually helping to put a giant sack of human excrement into power- particularly when the elected sack of shit starts doing horrific things to your neighbors or community.

But I think you know this; you're just frustrated.

To answer your question, pitchforks aren't out yet because bread and circuses are still working. As long as they continue to work and the people being impacted by the horrific policies of elected officials are always in a different zip code or demographic than the person you're asking, the pitchforks will stay away.
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Zarathud wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:41 am Trump is President because people expect him to perform the miracles he promised. But he can't.

You drank the snake oil to feel better when the adult thing would be to demand a better medicine. But it's poison. And if anyone read the label, it was clearly marked poison.
I drank no snake oil. I voted for Bernie. I also figured Trump was poison. I just figured he woild be overthrown, assassinated or driven out of office by now, but no such luck.
Not to state the obvious / retread old discussions, but this just means you drank different snake oil. The choices were Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

That our system left us only those choices is its own type of fucked up. But voting for Bernie was effectively voting Trump.
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Zaxxon wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:04 pm
Drazzil wrote:
Zarathud wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:41 am Trump is President because people expect him to perform the miracles he promised. But he can't.

You drank the snake oil to feel better when the adult thing would be to demand a better medicine. But it's poison. And if anyone read the label, it was clearly marked poison.
I drank no snake oil. I voted for Bernie. I also figured Trump was poison. I just figured he woild be overthrown, assassinated or driven out of office by now, but no such luck.
Not to state the obvious / retread old discussions, but this just means you drank different snake oil. The choices were Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

That our system left us only those choices is its own type of fucked up. But voting for Bernie was effectively voting Trump.
And if just for this reason I'm hoping things come to an end sooner rather then later.
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When I was in college I knew a number of people (Weathermen and Panthers, mostly) who voted Nixon using Draz's logic - a Nixon victory would cause the Revolution to start sooner.

You might want to ask them how that went.
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tgb wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:28 pm When I was in college I knew a number of people (Weathermen and Panthers, mostly) who voted Nixon using Draz's logic - a Nixon victory would cause the Revolution to start sooner.

You might want to ask them how that went.
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Hell. I even miss W.
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tgb wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:28 pm When I was in college I knew a number of people (Weathermen and Panthers, mostly) who voted Nixon using Draz's logic - a Nixon victory would cause the Revolution to start sooner.

You might want to ask them how that went.

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