Grifman wrote:Scuzz wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:26 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:11 pm
Who brings proof of citizenship with them anywhere in the US? You'd need passport or birth certificate, right? State IDs don't count.
That's awful, stopping a bus like that. Fuck.
So, if I was on a bus and these guys came on board and asked for this info what would happen if I refused them. As an old white guy I am sure they wouldn't care, but what right do they have to ask for ID from everyone on a bus?
They don't. It's illegal. You cannot be detained unless you are suspected of a crime, and you do not have to furnish id to a police officer, again, unless you are suspected of a crime. All you need to do is ask if you are suspected of a crime and if you are being detained.
ICE can make it a little difficult for you even though Americans cannot be detained.
From an NPR story:
You Say You're An American, But What If You Had To Prove It Or Be Deported?
"In the U.S., people accused of crimes have an automatic right to an attorney. But those accused for the first time of entering the country illegally actually face civil — not criminal — charges, so they don't have a right to court-appointed legal counsel, making the process of proving they're American that much harder.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement declined NPR's request for an interview. But an official speaking on background said the agency takes claims of citizenship seriously and has already set up mechanisms, such as an 800 number, to prevent this from happening. This is a complex problem, the official said, and many times individuals might not even know they're citizens when they're picked up by immigration.
"It is more common for ICE to encounter people who attempt to avoid removal by falsely stating they are U.S. citizens," the official said.
What's more, the official said it is not that agency's job to determine citizenship. Instead, a final determination is made by immigration judges and, on appeal, by federal judges.
Still, even though it's unlawful for American citizens to be held in ICE-ordered detention, neither local authorities nor immigration officials treat these cases any differently than they would a case involving someone who is truly in the country illegally. "
What the fuck do I do as an Asian American other than bend over for ICE. I don't have the skin color or the last name of Smith to tell them to fuck off. And they're not cops who usually don't ask about immigration status.