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Senate fast-tracks bill legalizing hemp as agriculture product
Legislation that would legalize hemp as an agricultural product is getting fast-tracked through the Senate.

The bill, introduced last week by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), was placed on the Senate calendar on Monday.

The procedural move, known as "Rule 14," allows it to skip over the committee process, paving the way for the legislation to be brought up on the Senate floor. The move doesn't automatically guarantee that the bill will get a vote.

A spokesman for McConnell noted on Monday that they didn't have guidance or an announcement about if, or when, the bill would come up.

The bill, known as the Hemp Farming Act of 2018, would legalize hemp, removing it from the federal list of controlled substances and allowing it to be sold as an agricultural commodity.
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Decriminalize != legalize. But as baby steps go, it's a big one. All they really need to do is reschedule it.

We are just over two months away from the first stores potentially opening here, although the rollout is going to be rocky. The first grow-ops won't be licensed until May, so there's not enough time to legally grow and process a commercial crop by July, for instance. About 200 of our 351 cities and towns have banned cannabis establishments, so there will be vast weed deserts and buying it will be inconvenient for most of us. I think the black market is going to have the advantage in both price and distribution. Probably be a draw in quality.

I've pared my own grow room back to the legally allowed 12 plants. I'm going to have to switch to commercial methods for that to be enough, because my old-fashioned low-tech method is also low-yield. Plopping seeds in pots of dirt under fluorescent tubes served me well for the past 28 years, but I have to up my game if 12 plants is going to be enough. I want to stay at the limit until I know how strictly it will be enforced.

I haven't seen any data about home-growing yet, but I suspect that a lot of my fellow Massholes will go that route.
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Feinstein Finally Catches Up with Her Voters, Abandons Her Opposition to Marijuana Legalization
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), long one of the left's most intractable opponents of marijuana legalization, has finally recognized which way the wind is blowing. In an interview Tuesday with McClatchy, she said she wants the federal government to leave Californians who are legally smoking pot under state law alone.

"Federal law enforcement agents should not arrest Californians who are adhering to California law," she said.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. But given that Feinstein for all these years has opposed legalization even as her constituency increasingly embraces it, it's an important development. In 2015, Feinstein was the sole Senate Appropriations Committee Democrat to oppose a bill stopping the feds from using federal funds to go after medical marijuana facilities operating legally under state law. In 2016, she opposed the California ballot initiative legalizing recreational use.

To be clear, Feinstein is still as much of a Nanny State control freak as Sen. Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), who just came around to accepting legalization last month. She makes sure to say that states need "to ensure we have strong safety rules to prevent impaired driving and youth access." She says she will need to review proposed bipartisan legislation that would let the states craft their own rules for marijuana legalization without federal meddling.
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Missouri's House just passed a bill to legalize medical marijuana, but I have no idea how likely the bill is to pass the Senate. I've only lived here less than a year, but my impression is that the state legislature is pretty conservative. So who knows?
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Trudeau wants legal pot passed in Canada as Senate wavers
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is pressing ahead with a goal of legalizing recreational marijuana in Canada within months, as senators push for changes and a delay of as much as a year.

The government’s pot law is working its way through the Senate, where a trio of lawmaker reports has this week called for changes or a delay. While the government didn’t welcome or rule out an extension, there’s little sign it will pump the brakes. Trudeau says the push will continue as scheduled, and a spokesman said the health minister looks forward to a final Senate vote on June 7.

“We are going to bring in legalization as we’ve committed to this summer, on schedule,” Trudeau said Thursday in Ottawa, in comments echoing, but more specific than, those made a day earlier. “Make no mistake – this is a public health and public safety issue that we committed to in the election campaign.”
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Maine House overturns governor's veto of marijuana bill
The Maine House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday to override Gov. Paul LePage's (R) veto of a measure to allow the commercial sale of marijuana in the state.

The House overrode the veto with a 109-39 vote, according to The Portland Press Herald. The bill now heads to the state Senate, where lawmakers must vote by a two-thirds margin to overturn LePage's veto. The newspaper previously reported that senators believe they have the support to overturn a veto.

The measure was crafted by a special legislative committee, and previously passed the House and Senate by wide margins.

LePage vetoed the measure, however, arguing that it would violate federal law. Nine states, including Maine, and the District of Columbia have moved to legalize recreational marijuana use, but the substance remains federally prohibited.
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Party on, Maine.
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Unagi wrote: Fri May 04, 2018 12:40 pm Party on, Maine.
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Illinois Police Dog Trainer Warns: We May Euthanize Our Drug Dogs If You Legalize Weed
The cops' concerns here may be a bit more self-interested than they're letting on. You see, training police dogs costs a lot of money. Up to $20,000 per animal, not including ongoing food and kenneling costs. But drug-sniffing dogs bring in cash through civil asset forfeiture. Every time an Illinois drug dog hits paydirt during a traffic stop, police get to seize cash and cars. On a heavy drug-trafficking corridor, a K-9 unit can be a revenue-generating machine. For example, Illinois state and local police seized $72 million in cash and other property in 2014 and 2015, according to public records obtained by Reason.
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Colorado weed tax revenue

Calendar Year Total Revenue
2014 $67,594,323
2015 $130,411,173
2016 $193,604,810
2017 $247,368,473
2018 (Jan - Mar) $63,688,122

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Jeff V wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 4:44 pm Colorado weed tax revenue

Calendar Year Total Revenue
2014 $67,594,323
2015 $130,411,173
2016 $193,604,810
2017 $247,368,473
2018 (Jan - Mar) $63,688,122

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Like we need extra tax revenue in Illinois. We're already flush in . . .

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. . . corn money?
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Job-killing taxes :P
The bulk of the state’s money comes from income and sales taxes. Combined, these taxes account for over 70 percent, or $24 billion of the $33 billion state government collects.

Twelve percent of state revenues come from taxes on cigarettes, liquor and insurance sold in Illinois, totaling $3.9 billion in 2017.

Another 3 percent comes from the net proceeds of the state’s lottery as well as taxes on the profits of gaming river boats and casinos in Illinois – about $1 billion this year.

Public utility taxes on electricity, telecommunications and natural gas companies accounts for another 3 percent of state revenue collected.

The last 12 percent is received from the federal government. The state expects $3.8 billion in reimbursements from the federal government in 2017, primarily to help fund Medicaid.
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Moliere wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 3:05 pm Illinois Police Dog Trainer Warns: We May Euthanize Our Drug Dogs If You Legalize Weed
The cops' concerns here may be a bit more self-interested than they're letting on. You see, training police dogs costs a lot of money. Up to $20,000 per animal, not including ongoing food and kenneling costs. But drug-sniffing dogs bring in cash through civil asset forfeiture. Every time an Illinois drug dog hits paydirt during a traffic stop, police get to seize cash and cars. On a heavy drug-trafficking corridor, a K-9 unit can be a revenue-generating machine. For example, Illinois state and local police seized $72 million in cash and other property in 2014 and 2015, according to public records obtained by Reason.
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ImLawBoy wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 5:00 pm
Jeff V wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 4:44 pm Colorado weed tax revenue

Calendar Year Total Revenue
2014 $67,594,323
2015 $130,411,173
2016 $193,604,810
2017 $247,368,473
2018 (Jan - Mar) $63,688,122

Bye bye puppies.
Like we need extra tax revenue in Illinois. We're already flush in . . .

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. . . corn money?
Make corn cob pipes fashionable for smoking weed and double win!
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Wait, are you saying corn cob pipes aren't fashionable?

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For smoking weed. As opposed to, say, a proper bong.
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Never gonna rake in any Poontang with a BONG!

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Mine was purple. It was also confiscated by the cops when they raided an epic party. But that was long ago, when my high school had student smoking areas, and everyone smoked but few smoked cigarettes.
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I dont understand the dog killing stuff other than them being assholes.

I think it was Georgia that just legalized it for PTSD sufferers. We are so damn slow in the south.

And I saw a report today where unemployment is so low and pot is so legal that many companies are dropping drugs test for weed. They need more employees and weed tests not only keep needed employees out they also cost money and cannot tell when or how much a person as smoked. They say as long as its off the clock then f it.

Here in my shit f'd state of TN they will allow cannabis oil for kids..I think..if that.
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I think yes. And it is a good thing.
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Nearly two-thirds of Americans say that smoking marijuana is “morally acceptable,” while 31 percent disapprove of pot on moral grounds, according to a new survey released Monday by Gallup.
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The shift in moral acceptance of marijuana mirrors the shift in support for legalization over that time period, which rose from 48 percent at the end of 2012 to 64 percent last fall, according to Gallup.

On the spectrum of morality, Americans now rate marijuana use similarly to gay and lesbian relations, stem cell research, and having a baby outside marriage, according to Gallup. It's seen as significantly more acceptable than medical testing on animals, abortion and pornography. But it's viewed as less acceptable than alcohol use, which 78 percent of respondents say is morally acceptable.

The gap in the acceptance of marijuana and alcohol is driven almost entirely by conservatives, the Gallup data shows. Marijuana and alcohol use is viewed as morally acceptable by large majorities of self-described liberals and moderates — who together constitute about 61 percent of the adult population. Among conservatives, however, 75 percent say drinking is acceptable, while 47 percent say the same of marijuana use.
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The next big tests of voters' willingness to change marijuana laws will come in November, when Michigan voters will decide whether to legalize the drug and voters in Utah and Missouri will consider medical-marijuana measures.
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Not all the news out of Canada today is grim and depressing.

Canada moves a step closer to legalising marijuana
A key legislative hurdle has been passed as Canada moves closer to legalising recreational cannabis.

Canadian senators passed the Cannabis Act by 56 votes to 30 with one abstention after studying the landmark legislation for six months.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has committed to making marijuana legal by this summer.

Canada will be the first G7 nation to legalise recreational use of the drug. Medical use has been legal since 2001.

The vote on Thursday sends the bill back to the House of Commons, where members of Parliament will decide whether to accept the dozens of amendments added to the legislation by the Senate.

The vote had been expected to be close, and the Trudeau government moved on Wednesday to shore up support by assuring indigenous senators it would address significant concerns they had with bill.

That included committing more resources to mental health and addiction services for indigenous people in Canada.
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Trump Endorses Marijuana Federalism Bill
Their legislation would amend the Controlled Substances Act to make it inapplicable in those states, federal territories, and tribal lands that have passed some form of marijuana legalization. It would also open the financial sector to state-legal cannabusinesses, many of whom are unable to access credit, buy insurance, or even deposit cash in banks.

Asked if he supported the bill, Trump said: "I really do. I support Sen. Gardner. I know exactly what he's doing. We're looking at it, but we'll probably end up supporting that, yes."

Trump's comment "is a big deal," says Erik Altieri, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), a pro-legalization group. "This legislation is the first bicameral, bipartisan bill ever introduced at the federal level."

The Trump administration has had a rocky relationship with state-legal marijuana. Attorney General Jeff Sessions has been explicit in his hostility to legalization efforts. In January he rescinded Obama-era guidelines that deprioritized enforcement of federal marijuana laws in states that had legalized it.
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We'll see. My ability to have faith in what he says is going to happen zero some months ago. I think I've pleasantly surprised like twice since then, maybe? With him it seems to be bluster that goes 180 when it's something I agree and it bluster turned railroaded into law on what I don't.
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LordMortis wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:46 pm We'll see. My ability to have faith in what he says is going to happen zero some months ago. I think I've pleasantly surprised like twice since then, maybe? With him it seems to be bluster that goes 180 when it's something I agree and it bluster turned railroaded into law on what I don't.
Pretty darn sure rec will pass here in November. I think there are a lot of motivated voters for the midterms. Current legislators may have screwed up by letting it pass to the voters before they could neuter it.

I don't think it will change much more than the way some of those who use already acquire their cannabis. Concentrates and edibles should be more consistent with the requirement of testing. Test results can be misreported to the end user though. California is having a huge problem with pesticides in their concentrates right now due to inaccurate labeling.

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Z-Corn wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:19 pm Pretty darn sure rec will pass here in November. I think there are a lot of motivated voters for the midterms. Current legislators may have screwed up by letting it pass to the voters before they could neuter it.

I don't think it will change much more than the way some of those who use already acquire their cannabis. Concentrates and edibles should be more consistent with the requirement of testing. Test results can be misreported to the end user though. California is having a huge problem with pesticides in their concentrates right now due to inaccurate labeling.

Caveat emptor!

I also think it will pass. The only legislators that screwed up are the ones who think that Weed is the devil's plant and the ones who find money from criminal prosecution or asset seizures. I think they are much fewer and legalizing rec use will be a very popular vote and not nearly all by democrats, so it will influence or be influenced by "the blue wave."

I don wonder what happens to company policies though. Will business reserve the right to fire you using something legal on your own time? Especially if the legal is grey area federally.
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My MI friends tell me that your Republican legislature will pass legalization to keep it off the ballot because the ballot question will increase turnout among young people. Their gerrymanders are only reliable as long as turnout is low. They will also be able to shape a more restrictive bill than the legalization forces want. But mainly they're afraid of anything that will draw more liberals to the polls. If elections were really fair and representative, MI would be a light blue state.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:18 pm My MI friends tell me that your Republican legislature will pass legalization to keep it off the ballot because the ballot question will increase turnout among young people. Their gerrymanders are only reliable as long as turnout is low. They will also be able to shape a more restrictive bill than the legalization forces want. But mainly they're afraid of anything that will draw more liberals to the polls. If elections were really fair and representative, MI would be a light blue state.
That's what I was referring to. They had until either midnight or noon (opinions varied) last Tuesday to either pass their own legislation (and, in my opinion, neuter it) or punt it to the voters. The State Senate didn't even meet until 1:30 that afternoon so if the deadline was noon they weren't even in the building to force a vote.
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LordMortis wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:46 pm
I don wonder what happens to company policies though. Will business reserve the right to fire you using something legal on your own time? Especially if the legal is grey area federally.
This is going to be the big question. The state is already saying there aren't enough workers to fill jobs. Maybe they will have to keep their noses out of peoples' private lives?

I'm curious to see where people like my Dad go with this. He's had "minor" cancer (his phrase) and had no interest in pursuing Medical Cannabis because it was still too illegal for him. He's now completely retired from truck driving so the fear of losing his CDL is gone. He is still afraid of getting addicted though, no matter how many times I assure him he's more hooked on coffee than he could ever get on cannabis.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:18 pm My MI friends tell me that your Republican legislature will pass legalization to keep it off the ballot because the ballot question will increase turnout among young people. Their gerrymanders are only reliable as long as turnout is low. They will also be able to shape a more restrictive bill than the legalization forces want. But mainly they're afraid of anything that will draw more liberals to the polls. If elections were really fair and representative, MI would be a light blue state.
Young people don't hate Republicans. They hate the establishment. Republicans, while in control of establishment top to bottom, have people convinced they hate the establishment.

That and your conversations must be late. It's already going to ballot because they wouldn't pass or vote it down.

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Z-Corn wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:27 am
LordMortis wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:46 pm
I don wonder what happens to company policies though. Will business reserve the right to fire you using something legal on your own time? Especially if the legal is grey area federally.
This is going to be the big question. The state is already saying there aren't enough workers to fill jobs. Maybe they will have to keep their noses out of peoples' private lives?
I would guess it will eventually end up like alcohol. Drink all you want. Except not at work. Don't show up drunk. Don't show up hungover. Though not until the Feds dismiss the crime.

Also, I hope companies make anti-pot smell rules. That shit stinks.
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Z-Corn wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:27 am
LordMortis wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:46 pm
I don wonder what happens to company policies though. Will business reserve the right to fire you using something legal on your own time? Especially if the legal is grey area federally.
This is going to be the big question. The state is already saying there aren't enough workers to fill jobs. Maybe they will have to keep their noses out of peoples' private lives?
Here, where the first shops technically can open on 7/1 (but probably won't because the first grow-ops weren't licensed until May), it's up to each individual employer. Generally speaking, workers who have dangerous or critical jobs (heavy equipment operators, drivers, medical personnel, etc) will still be prohibited and tested, while those in more mundane jobs are at the mercy of their employers' whims.

The industry is going to have a late and small start here and won't be able to match black market convenience and prices, at least not in the first 6 months or so. I know I won't go out of my way to track down a store and stand in line on 7/1, or 7/15, or 7/30 for that matter. Maybe by September I'll look for a store that's not too terribly inconvenient.
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Fitzy wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:56 am
Z-Corn wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:27 am
LordMortis wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:46 pm
I don wonder what happens to company policies though. Will business reserve the right to fire you using something legal on your own time? Especially if the legal is grey area federally.
This is going to be the big question. The state is already saying there aren't enough workers to fill jobs. Maybe they will have to keep their noses out of peoples' private lives?
I would guess it will eventually end up like alcohol. Drink all you want. Except not at work. Don't show up drunk. Don't show up hungover. Though not until the Feds dismiss the crime.

Also, I hope companies make anti-pot smell rules. That shit stinks.

I love the smell of burning tobacco and the smell of pot burning or otherwise.

But yeah, I don't see my company dismissing their ban until feds make it not a crime. So I'm SOL. Even then, they may keep it. I dunno. I suppose the change in companies in general will depend on the developing job markets. My company is more conservative than most though and our biggest bread and butter plant is near drug war zone, so I imagine they will be especially slow to change.
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Phase II of will have to be the protection of workers for engaging in a legal activity in their off hours. Those that drive or fly for a living may never see that happen. I imagine it will probably show up in union contracts well before it shows up in any state law.
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Kraken wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:01 am Maybe by September I'll look for a store that's not too terribly inconvenient.
Huh, I'd have thought Curio City would be reopened by then featuring an all-new organic product (and accessories).
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Texas GOP Endorses Marijuana Decriminalization
The Republican Party of Texas has officially endorsed decriminalization of marijuana, offering yet more proof of the dizzying speed at which attitudes are changing toward marijuana and marijuana prohibition.

At the state's GOP biennial party convention in San Antonio last week, assembled delegates lent their overwhelming support to adding four cannabis-related planks to the party platform, including the repeal of criminal penalties for marijuana possession, the expansion of the state's incredibly limited medical marijuana law, a call for the rescheduling of marijuana at the federal level, and the legalization of industrial hemp production. All measures passed with 80 percent of the vote or more.
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Re: will marijuana ever be legal???

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I look forward to Max's AAR.
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Re: will marijuana ever be legal???

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The FDA has approved the first cannabis based drug.
Epidiolex was recommended for approval by an advisory committee in April, and the agency had until this week to make a decision.

The twice-daily oral solution is approved for use in patients 2 and older to treat two types of epileptic syndromes: Dravet syndrome, a rare genetic dysfunction of the brain that begins in the first year of life, and Lennox-Gastaut syndrome, a form of epilepsy with multiple types of seizures that begin in early childhood, usually between 3 and 5.
My son has Lennox-Gastaut and was involved in trials for this drug. It was a double-blind study, so we didn't know for sure that he was on the drug, but it stopped his seizures cold, so he was totally on the real stuff. Unfortunately, interactions with other drugs he's on caused his liver function to spike, so he had to exit the study (they couldn't modify his other medications due to the structure of the study). We've been waiting for this approval ever since so that we can wean the medications with the bad interactions and get on this instead.
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