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Re: Gun Politics
It's been a few months since Parkland, but POTUS is finally stepping up and making a statement.
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And that statement is “I’m on your side if I think it’s the most poplular one in the room”.
He won. Period.
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Re: Gun Politics
he wishes he was still campaigning.
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"Your Second Amendment rights are under siege, but they will never, ever be under siege as long as I'm your president," President Trump said during NRA speech. "I will NEVER let this government quarter soldiers in your private residences without your approval!"
He won. Period.
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Re: Gun Politics
Maybe he's talking about his second term.
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Re: Gun Politics
That would require him making it intact through his first.
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Re: Gun Politics
Nah... Pretty sure he's just a complete fool.
You can't have it both ways....
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Re: Gun Politics
From the "You Couldn't Make This Shit Up If You Tried" department, Oliver North (yes, that Oliver North) to become the next President of the NRA.
Oliver North, the Fox News contributor and central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, will be the National Rifle Association's new president, the group announced Monday.
"Oliver North is, hands down, the absolute best choice to lead our NRA Board, to fully engage with our members, and to unflinchingly stand and fight for the great freedoms he has defended his entire life," NRA executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre said in a statement on the pick.
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Erm, nope never mind. I've got nothing.Skinypupy wrote:From the "You Couldn't Make This Shit Up If You Tried" department, Oliver North (yes, that Oliver North) to become the next President of the NRA.
Oliver North, the Fox News contributor and central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, will be the National Rifle Association's new president, the group announced Monday.
"Oliver North is, hands down, the absolute best choice to lead our NRA Board, to fully engage with our members, and to unflinchingly stand and fight for the great freedoms he has defended his entire life," NRA executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre said in a statement on the pick.
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Re: Gun Politics
Does the NRA President do anything or is it a figurehead role filled by celebrities?
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Nothing says freedom like trying to buy Iran's good will with free weapons. Except maybe failing at it.
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Awesome.
As I understand it he is an expert on not just weapons but on the laws that surround them as well.
As I understand it he is an expert on not just weapons but on the laws that surround them as well.
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He certainly knows people who know things about the laws. All the best peoples.
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Full speed ahead on the Culture Wars above all else. What else can you say about the guy who sold weapons to Iran...Skinypupy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 2:02 pm From the "You Couldn't Make This Shit Up If You Tried" department, Oliver North (yes, that Oliver North) to become the next President of the NRA.
Oliver North, the Fox News contributor and central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, will be the National Rifle Association's new president, the group announced Monday.
"Oliver North is, hands down, the absolute best choice to lead our NRA Board, to fully engage with our members, and to unflinchingly stand and fight for the great freedoms he has defended his entire life," NRA executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre said in a statement on the pick.
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
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Re: Gun Politics
Maybe he thinks it's the Nicaraguan Rifle Association?
(It's too obvious, so I'm just going to say it for him: "The NRA is the moral equal of our Founding Fathers!")
(It's too obvious, so I'm just going to say it for him: "The NRA is the moral equal of our Founding Fathers!")
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
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Re: Gun Politics
For those wondering what the first NJ gun report revealed:
More than three-quarters of the guns used in shootings and other crimes in the first three months of 2018 in New Jersey originated from sales outside the state, according to the first statewide report on firearms and gun-related crimes issued Tuesday.
For the second day in a row, Gov. Phil Murphy has publicized his efforts at gun control. It was just 32 days ago that he signed an executive order mandating the release online of statistics about guns used in crimes in regular report.
According to the first monthly report, 93 people were shot, 17 of them killed, in April alone. New Jersey has among the toughest gun-control laws in the nation.
Maybe next year, maybe no go
- LawBeefaroni
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I know in Chicago, tough gun laws are only obeyed by those who don't really need tough gun laws. Criminals don't bother and what's more, they know that unless they get picked up for actually shooting someone, they'll be out in a day or two.
So people who are most likely to shoot someone else don't bother with the laws. How do you stop that? Enforce the existing laws.
Incidentally, the guy who shot the ATF agent here a few days ago is...surprise...a street gang leader. Multiple felonies, gun charges, and known to police. His gang was the subject of the ATF investigation and if I got it right, the agent was changing a battery in a tracking device on one of their cars.
So people who are most likely to shoot someone else don't bother with the laws. How do you stop that? Enforce the existing laws.
Incidentally, the guy who shot the ATF agent here a few days ago is...surprise...a street gang leader. Multiple felonies, gun charges, and known to police. His gang was the subject of the ATF investigation and if I got it right, the agent was changing a battery in a tracking device on one of their cars.
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Kent State
Kaitlin Bennett didn't like the rules that kept her from carrying a gun on campus.
So the day after she received her bachelor's degree in biology from Kent State University on Saturday - no longer bound by those rules - she put on a summery white dress, flung an AR-10 rifle over her back and posed for photos around campus.
She accessorized with her mortar board, decorated with a picture of a rifle and the words, "Come and Take It."
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"Now that I graduated from Kent State - I can finally arm myself on campus," she tweeted. "I should have been able to do so as a student especially since 4 unarmed students were shot and killed by the government on this campus."
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Kent State prohibits the possession, storage or use of a "deadly weapon" - which includes firearms - by students, faculty and staff, according to its policy on the Kent State website. But visitors may openly carry a gun on campus since it's considered public state property.
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“Kent State University is a school in which the government shot four unarmed students 48 years ago,” she told the conservative news outlet that covers higher education.
“I believe not only that those four students would still be alive today had they had the right to carry on campus, but that students today would be much safer."
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Universities that prohibit students from defending themselves but allow guests to do so "are in a sense saying that they don’t value the safety of their students,” she told Campus Reform. “Why are guests more important than the students who are paying thousands of dollars to attend the university?”
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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We all need kids who think they can change the world but they're all soooo annoying.
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Wow. So the conservative stance on Kent State now is that the only problem was the students couldn't start an armed insurrection by killing National Guard troops?Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 3:02 pm Kent State“I believe not only that those four students would still be alive today had they had the right to carry on campus, but that students today would be much safer."
What happened there was an awful tragedy, but thinking the solution was for the students to shoot back is insanity.
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Sounds like gun luv hype and demagoguery rather than a seriously held belief. That the mere RIGHT of those 4 students to carry would have prevented their deaths?
If she thinks 4 armed students could have taken on and survived shooting at the Natl Guard, then she has more problems than being on the wrong side of the gun debate.
If she thinks 4 armed students could have taken on and survived shooting at the Natl Guard, then she has more problems than being on the wrong side of the gun debate.
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How much worse would the body count have been if students had started firing back? I'm thinking the scale of tragedy would have numbered into the dozens instead of (the admittedly unacceptable and egregious) four students.
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This. So much of this.
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Nice to get $100,000 a year retirement after botching your last job with spectacular cowardice, but let's blame the NRA instead. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pa ... 9345d61b3f
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I think it would have been higher.
3,000 protestors and 100 National Guardsmen were there. Approximately 70 shots were fired.
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
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The argument, and I'm not saying I agree with it, is that the National Guard never would have been deployed of students were armed. Its spurious at best but the point she is probably trying to make is that an armed citizenry pre-emptively discourages tyranny.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:23 pmI think it would have been higher.
3,000 protestors and 100 National Guardsmen were there. Approximately 70 shots were fired.
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That argument is ludicrous.
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It's usually immediately followed by "Nazi Germany took the guns, Stalin took the guns, genocidal Turkey took the guns.. " Something like that.
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Waco pretty much disproves that.LawBeefaroni wrote:The argument, and I'm not saying I agree with it, is that the National Guard never would have been deployed of students were armed. Its spurious at best but the point she is probably trying to make is that an armed citizenry pre-emptively discourages tyranny.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:23 pmI think it would have been higher.
3,000 protestors and 100 National Guardsmen were there. Approximately 70 shots were fired.
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That's fucking horrible. It doesn't mean that the NRA is innocent as the two things aren't in any way linked, but that cowardly asshole doesn't deserve anything.em2nought wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:05 pm Nice to get $100,000 a year retirement after botching your last job with spectacular cowardice, but let's blame the NRA instead. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pa ... 9345d61b3f
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Presumably they took the guns DURING their rounding up of dissidents, not during peace time in anticipation of the horrors to come. But I don't actually know, so I'll have to do some reading.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:19 pmIt's usually immediately followed by "Nazi Germany took the guns, Stalin took the guns, genocidal Turkey took the guns.. " Something like that.
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At least some of the time, the authoritarian-boogeymen-of-choice simply followed the NRA bumper sticker instructions and took the guns from their cold dead hands. For example, armed resistance didn't save the Warsaw Ghetto.GreenGoo wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 3:44 amPresumably they took the guns DURING their rounding up of dissidents, not during peace time in anticipation of the horrors to come. But I don't actually know, so I'll have to do some reading.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:19 pmIt's usually immediately followed by "Nazi Germany took the guns, Stalin took the guns, genocidal Turkey took the guns.. " Something like that.
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It's better to die on your feet that die on your knees. Or something.Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 9:28 amAt least some of the time, the authoritarian-boogeymen-of-choice simply followed the NRA bumper sticker instructions and took the guns from their cold dead hands. For example, armed resistance didn't save the Warsaw Ghetto.GreenGoo wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 3:44 amPresumably they took the guns DURING their rounding up of dissidents, not during peace time in anticipation of the horrors to come. But I don't actually know, so I'll have to do some reading.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:19 pmIt's usually immediately followed by "Nazi Germany took the guns, Stalin took the guns, genocidal Turkey took the guns.. " Something like that.
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