Immigration Policy

[Unagi]

Was she also a teenager?

[Isgrimnur]

The father of the Honduran girl who became the face of the family separation crisis has revealed that he still has not been in touch with his wife or daughter but was happy to learn they are safe.

Well, I’m sure since someone told him that, it’s all fine.

[Holman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-out.html

Now, Hernandez says that his wife and daughter were never separated by Border Patrol agents and that they remain together.

Hernandez also told the Daily Mail that he did not support his wife Sandra’s decision to leave their home and travel through dangerous conditions to seek political asylum in the U.S.: “I didn’t support it. I asked her, why? Why would she want to put our little girl through that? But it was her decision at the end of the day.

“I don’t have any resentment for my wife, but I do think it was irresponsible of her to take the baby with her in her arms because we don’t know what could happen,” he told the Daily Mail.

He said she had talked about going to the United States for a “better future” but she did not say she had made the decision to take the 1,800-mile trip — paying a “coyote” smuggler $6,000 to take them.

When Sandra left on her journey with Yanela, she left Hernandez behind with three other children — Wesly (14), Cindy (11), and Brianna (6).

Though he said she had planned to apply for political asylum, Hernandez did not mention any political persecution that might have justified the claim.

He also said that he was employed: “I thank God that I have a good job here.”

So it seems the mother and daughter were never separated. They were picked up crossing the Rio Grande, so did not attempt to properly apply for asylum. On top of that they don't even come close to asylum requirements.

So... all the kids separated from their parents aren't really suffering, and this crisis is a big nothingburger, right? That's the takeaway?

[YellowKing]

Yes, In Rip-land, if you can find a single contrary example to an issue, then the issue never existed in the first place.

[GreenGoo]

Lol!

Fake news!

[Smoove_B]

Brought to you by the same people that suggested a dead child on the beach was the fault of the parents.

[Smoove_B]

Oh, and as a reminder:

The House rejected a hard-line immigration bill on Thursday and Republican leaders delayed a vote on a compromise measure that seemed destined to fail, then delayed it again, in the latest show of their party’s disarray over immigration.

The compromise, a broad immigration overhaul negotiated by moderate and conservative Republicans, was supposed to be voted on early Thursday evening. It would provide a path to citizenship for young unauthorized immigrants while keeping migrant families together at the border, in addition to funding President Trump’s border wall.

But with its prospects seeming dim, Republican leaders pushed the vote to Friday and huddled with their members in a last-ditch effort to stave off what would have been an embarrassing defeat. Then they delayed the vote again, to next week, as lawmakers discussed making additions to the legislation.

[Fitzy]

Oh, and as a reminder:

The House rejected a hard-line immigration bill on Thursday and Republican leaders delayed a vote on a compromise measure that seemed destined to fail, then delayed it again, in the latest show of their party’s disarray over immigration.

The compromise, a broad immigration overhaul negotiated by moderate and conservative Republicans, was supposed to be voted on early Thursday evening. It would provide a path to citizenship for young unauthorized immigrants while keeping migrant families together at the border, in addition to funding President Trump’s border wall.

But with its prospects seeming dim, Republican leaders pushed the vote to Friday and huddled with their members in a last-ditch effort to stave off what would have been an embarrassing defeat. Then they delayed the vote again, to next week, as lawmakers discussed making additions to the legislation.

I am uncertain of your point, but I think due to the bolded words, you are saying that the Democrats are at fault? But I could be misreading

[LawBeefaroni]

The father of the Honduran girl who became the face of the family separation crisis has revealed that he still has not been in touch with his wife or daughter but was happy to learn they are safe.

Denis Javier Varela Hernandez, 32, said that he had not heard from his wife Sandra, 32, who was with his two-year-old daughter Yanela Denise, for nearly three weeks until he saw the image of them being apprehended in Texas.

In an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com, Hernandez, who lives in Puerto Cortes, Honduras, says that he was told yesterday that his wife and child are being detained at a family residential center in Texas but are together and are doing 'fine.'

Yeah. Of course he is being told they are fine. Of course they're probably back together after worldwide condemnation (but he still can't speak with his daughter). What is your point?

Remember the big, absurd to do about FEMA camps and Jade Helm? Well, this mom and daughter are actually locked in one but hey, it's pretty good accommodations for that kind of person, right?

[Smoove_B]

I am uncertain of your point, but I think due to the bolded words, you are saying that the Democrats are at fault? But I could be misreading

I'm sure on some corner of the internet, that's what's happening.

[Skinypupy]

Yes, In Rip-land, if you can find a single contrary example to an issue, then the issue never existed in the first place.

It's simple math, man. If one person or group is doing something contrary, then obviously that means the majority are doing that same thing. We're just not hearing about it because of the fake news media.

STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!!

[Grifman]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

Teenage?

Rip just makes crap up when he runs out of rebuttals. It’s a Trumpy’s thing.

Regardless of whether you was a teenager or not, Rip is right. If Clinton had been CEO of any Fortune 500 company in the US, he would have been fired. That's not to say Republicans haven't been hypocritical about supporting Trump while claiming to be the party of "family values", but that's not relevant to what happened here.

[Isgrimnur]

Oh, and of course, that's a Daily Mail link:

moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.
...
Notes: The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market tabloid newspaper owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust and published in London. Has a strong conservative bias and has a poor track record with fact checkers.

[pr0ner]

Oh, and as a reminder:

The House rejected a hard-line immigration bill on Thursday and Republican leaders delayed a vote on a compromise measure that seemed destined to fail, then delayed it again, in the latest show of their party’s disarray over immigration.

The compromise, a broad immigration overhaul negotiated by moderate and conservative Republicans, was supposed to be voted on early Thursday evening. It would provide a path to citizenship for young unauthorized immigrants while keeping migrant families together at the border, in addition to funding President Trump’s border wall.

But with its prospects seeming dim, Republican leaders pushed the vote to Friday and huddled with their members in a last-ditch effort to stave off what would have been an embarrassing defeat. Then they delayed the vote again, to next week, as lawmakers discussed making additions to the legislation.

Trump's response:

[geezer]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

Teenage?

Rip just makes crap up when he runs out of rebuttals. It’s a Trumpy’s thing.

Regardless of whether you was a teenager or not, Rip is right. If Clinton had been CEO of any Fortune 500 company in the US, he would have been fired. That's not to say Republicans haven't been hypocritical about supporting Trump while claiming to be the party of "family values", but that's not relevant to what happened here.

You think that, in 1995, if the CEO of a Fortune 500 company had a consensual relationship with a 24 year old female intern he would have been brought up before the board of directors and fired?

[GreenGoo]

Only if she pressed sexual harrasment charges, otherwise, imo, no.

Was she 22 or 24? Or both? Was it a 2 year affair?

[Skinypupy]

And there it is:

.@kilmeade on children who have been split from their parents as a result of Trump administration policy: "Like it or not, these are not our kids. Show them compassion, but it's not like he's doing this to the people of Idaho or Texas. These are people from another country."

Because they're not "our kids", they don't deserve humane treatment. Deplorable is far too kind a word for these people.

[Smoove_B]

Various tweets from the Fanta Menace

Unreal.

[Smoove_B]

Because they're not "our kids", they don't deserve humane treatment. Deplorable is far too kind a word for these people.

Did someone follow up and ask about Puerto Rico? Because I'm pretty sure we already knew it, but it would be nice to hear it.

[LordMortis]

Love it!!!!!!

Remember their motto, RESIST!

I could put that on bumper sticker

Remember their motto, RESIST!
-President Trump

Remember their motto, RESIST!
-President Trump

Remember their motto, RESIST!
-President Trump

Remember their motto, RESIST!
-President Trump

This might be the first thing to come out of his fingers to make me feel good in over 18 months.

[Holman]

I feel like there must be a link between Trump's rhetoric, his treatment of immigrants and their kids, Charlottesville, Puerto Rico, athletes kneeling, and more, but I just wish I could figure out what it is.

[Sepiche]

Ours is PRODUCE!

[In Trump voice]
You know, like lettuce and the orange things on top of my taco salad that aren't my tiny finger.

We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!

He's either deluding himself into thinking the R's are going to gain seats in the election, or calling for a genocide.

[hepcat]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

Teenage?

Rip just makes crap up when he runs out of rebuttals. It’s a Trumpy’s thing.

Regardless of whether you was a teenager or not, Rip is right. If Clinton had been CEO of any Fortune 500 company in the US, he would have been fired. That's not to say Republicans haven't been hypocritical about supporting Trump while claiming to be the party of "family values", but that's not relevant to what happened here.

Rip was trying to make it sound like Clinton took advantage of a child. And I think you know that.

[Unagi]

Ours is PRODUCE!

[In Trump voice]
You know, like lettuce and the orange things on top of my taco salad that aren't my tiny finger.

We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!

He's either deluding himself into thinking the R's are going to gain seats in the election, or calling for a genocide.

Red Dawn is what he meant to say. Red Dawn.

[LawBeefaroni]

Ours is PRODUCE!

[In Trump voice]
You know, like lettuce and the orange things on top of my taco salad that aren't my tiny finger.

Of course the King of Word Salad is going to have a motto like that.

And there it is:

.@kilmeade on children who have been split from their parents as a result of Trump administration policy: "Like it or not, these are not our kids. Show them compassion, but it's not like he's doing this to the people of Idaho or Texas. These are people from another country."

Because they're not "our kids", they don't deserve humane treatment. Deplorable is far too kind a word for these people.

Othering. It's how genocide is born.

[LordMortis]

Ours is PRODUCE!

That doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. When my government tells me PRODUCE! am kinda terrified. Seriously, isn't the communist mantra we've been taught to be afraid of our entire lives?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_of_production

I figure either he's gone full blown Marxist or this is some sort of call to arbeit macht frei.

[Isgrimnur]

PRODUCE

[naednek]

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1009871069694627842

What kind of crazy-ass trolling is this? Could this really just be coincidental? Like Nielsen and Miller eating at Mexican restaurants, I swear we're all being trolled.

[em2nought]

Such a hectic schedule we fiscal conservatives have. Just got back from my Klan rally, and Nazi tiki torch lady's drink any flaming beverage free night at Applepee's. (They really should trade their "b" for IHOP's "p" ever since they started serving that yucky Angry Orchard Cider.)

What have I missed besides democrats using the plight(real or made up) of anyone they possibly can to advance their agenda or false narrative? Not much I'd guess.

[YellowKing]

What's more likely:

There is a gigantic conspiracy orchestrated among all major media outlets (including foreign) to agree on the same fake news stories to advance a liberal agenda. In addition, a majority of the American people have bought into this narrative, and have been foolishly duped into believing this false narrative. Independent whistleblowers from within have also joined in on this conspiracy, coordinating efforts to also dole out the same information to perpetuate this grand plan.

or.....

You're wrong.

The guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room rarely is.

[Skinypupy]

[Grifman]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

Teenage?

Rip just makes crap up when he runs out of rebuttals. It’s a Trumpy’s thing.

Regardless of whether you was a teenager or not, Rip is right. If Clinton had been CEO of any Fortune 500 company in the US, he would have been fired. That's not to say Republicans haven't been hypocritical about supporting Trump while claiming to be the party of "family values", but that's not relevant to what happened here.

You think that, in 1995, if the CEO of a Fortune 500 company had a consensual relationship with a 24 year old female intern he would have been brought up before the board of directors and fired?

Certainly. I had sexual harassment training that far back and one of the things mentioned that was proscribed was having romantic involvement with someone that directly worked for you. It's an abuse of power because you can never be sure the relationship is consensual. I remember an exec at a major company that did something very similar in the same time frame and he was canned. i also remember that as being of the arguments at the time.

“The C.E.O. of a corporation wouldn’t have had time to pack up his briefcase before he was fired for this,” says Barbara Ledeen, executive director for policy at the Independent Women’s Forum, the Washington-based group that has achieved a certain cachet for its condemnations of traditional feminism.

[Grifman]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

Teenage?

Rip just makes crap up when he runs out of rebuttals. It’s a Trumpy’s thing.

Regardless of whether you was a teenager or not, Rip is right. If Clinton had been CEO of any Fortune 500 company in the US, he would have been fired. That's not to say Republicans haven't been hypocritical about supporting Trump while claiming to be the party of "family values", but that's not relevant to what happened here.

Rip was trying to make it sound like Clinton took advantage of a child. And I think you know that.

Please check your reading comprehension, I'll quote myself for you and bold it:

Regardless of whether she was a teenager or not, Rip is right.

I wasn't condoning his analogy but I was supporting his conclusion, because the age of the person involved was irrelevant to a certain extent.

[em2nought]

No worries this was just a drive by, gotta get my Kübelwagen to the Panzer Lied pot luck post haste. Carry on with your echo chamber.

[Defiant]

[GreenGoo]

Dude, to the best of my knowledge the only contributions you've made to the forums are giant dumps, but somehow we're the bad guys?

On your way, valued member of the community.

[Enough]

Better yet, why are all the conservatives who tried to impeach Clinton over a blowjob in full support of a guy who cheated and paid off multiple women including a porn star?

No Republican ever has the right to say anything about anything ever again.

I don't think it was so much having an affair as taking advantage of a teenage intern. Then of course there is the numerous sexual assault accusations.

Teenage?

Rip just makes crap up when he runs out of rebuttals. It’s a Trumpy’s thing.

Regardless of whether you was a teenager or not, Rip is right. If Clinton had been CEO of any Fortune 500 company in the US, he would have been fired. That's not to say Republicans haven't been hypocritical about supporting Trump while claiming to be the party of "family values", but that's not relevant to what happened here.

Rip was trying to make it sound like Clinton took advantage of a child. And I think you know that.

Please check your reading comprehension, I'll quote myself for you and bold it:

Regardless of whether she was a teenager or not, Rip is right.

I wasn't condoning his analogy but I was supporting his conclusion, because the age of the person involved was irrelevant to a certain extent.

In debate there is a concept of clash. IE, your arguments need to somehow directly impact/clash with the other side. Whataboutism is not any such thing, it's diversionary tactic to swap out the debate at hand for a different one more suited to the favored ax to grind.

[GreenGoo]

Snopes article on the little girl in the Time picture covers things pretty well.

Mostly it involves internetizens on both sides of the aisle losing their minds while most reputable media never claimed she was separated with many articles specifically mentioning she was never separated from her mom.

[hepcat]

In debate there is a concept of clash. IE, your arguments need to somehow directly impact/clash with the other side. Whataboutism is not any such thing, it's diversionary tactic to swap out the debate at hand for a different one more suited to the favored ax to grind.

Around these here parts it's known as "pullin' a Rip".

[Grifman]

In debate there is a concept of clash. IE, your arguments need to somehow directly impact/clash with the other side. Whataboutism is not any such thing, it's diversionary tactic to swap out the debate at hand for a different one more suited to the favored ax to grind.

Around these here parts it's known as "pullin' a Rip".

I want to apologize for being short with you in my response above.