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hepcat wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:01 pm
pr0ner wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:25 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:40 pm Instead, we got Caligula.
Is this the version with or without the hardcore porn?
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Blackhawk wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:45 pm
pr0ner wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:25 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:40 pm Instead, we got Caligula.
Is this the version with or without the hardcore porn?
Only Mueller and Putin know for sure.
And Michael Avenatti, Stormy Daniels (and other playmates?), etc.
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Blackhawk wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:45 pm
pr0ner wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:25 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:40 pm Instead, we got Caligula.
Is this the version with or without the hardcore porn?
Only Mueller and Putin know for sure.

and Mark Warner.
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And Canada just applied the smack down. It’s officially a trade war. Although I’m sure Trump will claim it’s not and that he and Trudeau are besties.

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hepcat wrote: Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:09 pm And Canada just applied the smack down. It’s officially a trade war. Although I’m sure Trump will claim it’s not and that he and Trudeau are besties.
Nah, Trump has been referring to Trudeau as "Justin" for a while now, in an effort to diminish him. I think it'll go to "Little Justin" before he tries to claim they're buddies again.
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Chaz wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:46 am
hepcat wrote: Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:09 pm And Canada just applied the smack down. It’s officially a trade war. Although I’m sure Trump will claim it’s not and that he and Trudeau are besties.
Nah, Trump has been referring to Trudeau as "Justin" for a while now, in an effort to diminish him. I think it'll go to "Little Justin" before he tries to claim they're buddies again.
Didn't he call him "weak" and "dense" a few weeks ago?
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:25 am
Chaz wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:46 am
hepcat wrote: Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:09 pm And Canada just applied the smack down. It’s officially a trade war. Although I’m sure Trump will claim it’s not and that he and Trudeau are besties.
Nah, Trump has been referring to Trudeau as "Justin" for a while now, in an effort to diminish him. I think it'll go to "Little Justin" before he tries to claim they're buddies again.
Didn't he call him "weak" and "dense" a few weeks ago?
Found the quote:
President Trump upended two days of global economic diplomacy late Saturday, refusing to sign a joint statement with America’s allies, threatening to escalate his trade war on the country’s neighbors and deriding Canada’s prime minister as “very dishonest and weak.”
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And now Trump wants to exit the WTO, and I kid you not, but the acronym is the FART act. ..
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1) Piss off longtime allies
2) Suck up to enemies
3) Profit!
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If Trump collapses global trade, do real estate prices suffer - or will his mega-property values just increase along with inflation?
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The only bright side to all this is that if it looks like any Trump properties or products are going to take a hit, he'll back off quicker than Melania on sex night.
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Bill text leaked that shows Trump's intent to leave WTO. This is an especially stupid trial balloon. Congress is not going to do it. Unless it does and then we might as well hang it up because it'll be over. Still in the end, this is one the oligarchs will never let happen to our benefit.

It is more another indication that wow this guy is a loon. I like someone's mention of Caligula earlier. At this point I'm waiting for him to make one of his hotels the new official residence of all future Presidents.
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malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:34 pm Bill text leaked that shows Trump's intent to leave WTO. This is an especially stupid trial balloon. Congress is not going to do it. Unless it does and then we might as well hang it up because it'll be over. Still in the end, this is one the oligarchs will never let happen to our benefit. It is more another indication that wow this guy is a loon. I like someone's mention of Caligula. I'm waiting for him to make one of his hotels the new official residence of all future Presidents.
Honestly I kind of wonder if people in his inner circle suggested a bill in order to help kill the idea - basically to head him off from unilaterally withdrawing from the WTO. A bill like that would never pass, and so instead getting him to go that route helps avoid it happening (and lets him just fume at those damned Democrats).
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From what I understand he can't pull out of the WTO without Congress so I don't know if that was the concern. It could have been that he wouldn't shut the fuck up about it and they just drafted it to stop the word salad.
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malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:38 pm From what I understand he can't pull out of the WTO without Congress so I don't know if that was the concern. It could have been that he wouldn't shut the fuck up about it and they just drafted it to stop the word salad.
That's reassuring (that he can't unilaterally withdraw from the WTO), at least.
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Section 232 is his go to move when he's told to stop being silly.
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malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:34 pm Bill text leaked that shows Trump's intent to leave WTO. This is an especially stupid trial balloon. Congress is not going to do it. Unless it does and then we might as well hang it up because it'll be over. Still in the end, this is one the oligarchs will never let happen to our benefit.

It is more another indication that wow this guy is a loon. I like someone's mention of Caligula earlier. At this point I'm waiting for him to make one of his hotels the new official residence of all future Presidents.
I don't think he's a loon, I think he is incompetent and stupid. He doesn't understand that it's trade (and our domination of World Trade and its rules) in conjunction with our allies, not the military which enabled the US to "win" the Cold War and become the strongest country (both economically and militarily) on the planet. The military, again in conjunction with our allies, only props up the Trade order.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:41 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:38 pm From what I understand he can't pull out of the WTO without Congress so I don't know if that was the concern. It could have been that he wouldn't shut the fuck up about it and they just drafted it to stop the word salad.
That's reassuring (that he can't unilaterally withdraw from the WTO), at least.
He'll sabotage it like ACA has been sabotaged in the absence of repeal/replace.
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El Guapo wrote:
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:38 pm From what I understand he can't pull out of the WTO without Congress so I don't know if that was the concern. It could have been that he wouldn't shut the fuck up about it and they just drafted it to stop the word salad.
That's reassuring (that he can't unilaterally withdraw from the WTO), at least.
Until he says otherwise and they play along because: elections!
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Pyperkub wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:36 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:41 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:38 pm From what I understand he can't pull out of the WTO without Congress so I don't know if that was the concern. It could have been that he wouldn't shut the fuck up about it and they just drafted it to stop the word salad.
That's reassuring (that he can't unilaterally withdraw from the WTO), at least.
He'll sabotage it like ACA has been sabotaged in the absence of repeal/replace.
I don't doubt it, but it's better than him being able to withdraw unilaterally.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:40 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:36 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:41 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:38 pm From what I understand he can't pull out of the WTO without Congress so I don't know if that was the concern. It could have been that he wouldn't shut the fuck up about it and they just drafted it to stop the word salad.
That's reassuring (that he can't unilaterally withdraw from the WTO), at least.
He'll sabotage it like ACA has been sabotaged in the absence of repeal/replace.
I don't doubt it, but it's better than him being able to withdraw unilaterally.
Maybe. It would be (will be?) easier to fix if it is only withdrawal. Sabotaging it could have longer-term ramifications which would be more difficult to unravel. Could. Regardless, I think we're going to be on international probation with all of our historic allies for decades to come if the rabid right isn't fixed.
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Pyperkub wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:35 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:34 pm Bill text leaked that shows Trump's intent to leave WTO. This is an especially stupid trial balloon. Congress is not going to do it. Unless it does and then we might as well hang it up because it'll be over. Still in the end, this is one the oligarchs will never let happen to our benefit.

It is more another indication that wow this guy is a loon. I like someone's mention of Caligula earlier. At this point I'm waiting for him to make one of his hotels the new official residence of all future Presidents.
I don't think he's a loon, I think he is incompetent and stupid. He doesn't understand that it's trade (and our domination of World Trade and its rules) in conjunction with our allies, not the military which enabled the US to "win" the Cold War and become the strongest country (both economically and militarily) on the planet. The military, again in conjunction with our allies, only props up the Trade order.
I consider it loony that he thinks he is going to negotiate great trade agreements one-on-one with each country. We knew his narcissism was a trait but it appears to be transcendent under the influence of the power of the Presidency.
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malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:24 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:35 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:34 pm Bill text leaked that shows Trump's intent to leave WTO. This is an especially stupid trial balloon. Congress is not going to do it. Unless it does and then we might as well hang it up because it'll be over. Still in the end, this is one the oligarchs will never let happen to our benefit.

It is more another indication that wow this guy is a loon. I like someone's mention of Caligula earlier. At this point I'm waiting for him to make one of his hotels the new official residence of all future Presidents.
I don't think he's a loon, I think he is incompetent and stupid. He doesn't understand that it's trade (and our domination of World Trade and its rules) in conjunction with our allies, not the military which enabled the US to "win" the Cold War and become the strongest country (both economically and militarily) on the planet. The military, again in conjunction with our allies, only props up the Trade order.
I consider it loony that he thinks he is going to negotiate great trade agreements one-on-one with each country. We knew his narcissism was a trait but it appears to be transcendent under the influence of the power of the Presidency.
Fair enough. Given how much negotiation he has actually succeeded at, especially as President, there is no real evidence to support the idea that he can. I wasn't thinking of that in my post. About all he can do is bully, and most sovereign nations will tell him to take a hike, or if they're smart, screw him over. I have no doubt that if Trump were to successfully "negotiate" with Mexico to build a $25 billion wall, it would cost us ~$100 billion out of pocket.

Edit - probably $120 billion if they let him put his name on it...
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Lol @ this guy. I'm totally sure that tons of other m/c companies are clamoring to get in here when demand for bikes is down due to demographics changes. Lying moron. Also I just noticed - he is claiming something that is happening this year affected sales last year. :lol:

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Get ready for Chinese parts to be assembled in some plant in a RTW state and sold as Harvey Danielson motorcycles. Made In Merica!


President Donald Trump on Thursday used a groundbreaking ceremony for Foxconn Technology Group’s Wisconsin plant to tout American manufacturing while warning Harley-Davidson to not “get cute with us.”
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From that article:
Others have raised concerns about the impact on the environment and homeowners living on land within the boundaries of the Foxconn project, who say they’re being forced to move to make way for the development.

Kim Mahoney said she still hasn’t reached an agreement with the village of Mount Pleasant on selling the home where she lives with her husband and 12-year-old daughter. Appraisers working with the village said her home, in a subdivision on land promised to Foxconn, is worth considerably less than an appraiser she’d hired independently, she said. Mahoney doesn’t want to downsize or settle for a neighborhood that lacks the rural feel her family chose.

But she thinks she’d oppose the project even if her home hadn’t been affected, due to concerns about its environmental and financial impact.

“There was no consideration of the impact on residents,” Mahoney said Wednesday evening. “I don’t know how this plays out for the state, but it’s another example where big business is getting all this money and it’s only going to benefit so many people that get these jobs.”
So much winning. Relax the environmental regulations and the cash flows in.
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Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:44 amSo much winning. Relax the environmental regulations and the cash flows in.
How bad can that possibly be?

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Don't worry, suicide netting is included in the project design.
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I think in all of this trade war talk, we've forgotten the real problem. You make too much money and investors don't make enough. We need to make sure the world is buying American so our investors can thrive. That is what America is. And that can't happen with livable wages and high corporate taxes.

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"We are a country that is being beaten on every front — economically, militarily," Trump said. "Taxes too high, wages too high, we're not going to be able to compete against the world ... People have to go out, they have to work really hard, and they have to get into that upper stratum."
He campaigned and won on this shit.
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Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:44 am From that article:
Others have raised concerns about the impact on the environment and homeowners living on land within the boundaries of the Foxconn project, who say they’re being forced to move to make way for the development.

Kim Mahoney said she still hasn’t reached an agreement with the village of Mount Pleasant on selling the home where she lives with her husband and 12-year-old daughter. Appraisers working with the village said her home, in a subdivision on land promised to Foxconn, is worth considerably less than an appraiser she’d hired independently, she said. Mahoney doesn’t want to downsize or settle for a neighborhood that lacks the rural feel her family chose.

But she thinks she’d oppose the project even if her home hadn’t been affected, due to concerns about its environmental and financial impact.

“There was no consideration of the impact on residents,” Mahoney said Wednesday evening. “I don’t know how this plays out for the state, but it’s another example where big business is getting all this money and it’s only going to benefit so many people that get these jobs.”
So much winning. Relax the environmental regulations and the cash flows in.
Oh, it's not just environmental laws. It's also tax laws.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:49 am Don't worry, suicide netting is included in the project design.
That's not all. Apparently Trump's Trade war is going according to plan:
China is explicitly using tariffs as a wedge issue designed to split "apart different domestic groups in the US," according to leaked plans.

As a trade war looms between the two countries, Beijing issued a propaganda notice to Chinese media explaining the official game plan for handling the issue.

It was then leaked online and published by the censorship-monitoring site China Digital Times. Alongside instructions to avoid quoting President Donald Trump or other US officials and to focus instead on "economic brightspots," the government gave outlets a description of its trade strategy.
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El Guapo wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:58 amOh, it's not just environmental laws. It's also tax laws.
Hilarious. They do the same thing here in NJ all the time - give major corporations or manufacturers all kinds of local tax incentives to build or relocate here. Insane tax amnesty that allows them to build/manufacture/conduct business and then not contribute to the local tax base. Meanwhile, the town might need to hire more police or specialized emergency equipment to deal with new infrastructure. Or maybe they need to run additional roads, stop lights or whatever and the tax payers fund it all. Then the workers relocate to the areas surrounding the new business and their kids all go to the schools, which probably need to be expanded to address surge populations. Local taxes go up and the business continues to profit and not pay taxes. Then after the 3 or 5 year tax amnesty ends, the business re-evaluates and magically decides to relocate, downsize and/or close up shop. It's happened so many times and yet NJ still continues to try and entertain these insane incentives because we're spiraling into a state debt crisis. Good to see it's about to happen in Wisconsin as well.
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I'm sure the president has an equally well thought out plan that the WH is executing in his usual multi-dimensional chess. Checkers. Tiddlywinks. Whatever game the president is supposedly good at.
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Who didn't see this coming in our retreat ceding leadership of World Trade?
In meetings in Brussels, Berlin and Beijing, senior Chinese officials, including Vice Premier Liu He and the Chinese government’s top diplomat, State Councillor Wang Yi, have proposed an alliance between the two economic powers and offered to open more of the Chinese market in a gesture of goodwill.
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Pyperkub wrote:Who didn't see this coming in our retreat ceding leadership of World Trade?
In meetings in Brussels, Berlin and Beijing, senior Chinese officials, including Vice Premier Liu He and the Chinese government’s top diplomat, State Councillor Wang Yi, have proposed an alliance between the two economic powers and offered to open more of the Chinese market in a gesture of goodwill.
But the European Union, the world’s largest trading bloc, has rejected the idea of allying with Beijing against Washington, five EU officials and diplomats told Reuters, ahead of a Sino-European summit in Beijing on July 16-17.
The EU isn't interested in unduly angering the Mangerine...for the moment. But I suspect this is just the opening offer on the table and the EU is just biding its time.
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$iljanus wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:38 pm
Pyperkub wrote:Who didn't see this coming in our retreat ceding leadership of World Trade?
In meetings in Brussels, Berlin and Beijing, senior Chinese officials, including Vice Premier Liu He and the Chinese government’s top diplomat, State Councillor Wang Yi, have proposed an alliance between the two economic powers and offered to open more of the Chinese market in a gesture of goodwill.
But the European Union, the world’s largest trading bloc, has rejected the idea of allying with Beijing against Washington, five EU officials and diplomats told Reuters, ahead of a Sino-European summit in Beijing on July 16-17.
The EU isn't interested in unduly angering the Mangerine...for the moment. But I suspect this is just the opening offer on the table and the EU is just biding its time.
The EU has already angered the Mangerine, and it's not clear that they can do anything about it. Macron tried appeasing and flattering Trump, but that hasn't served him any better than other leaders' more defiant postures. So if I were them, I would be focused on cultivating other alliances (and finding leverage points on Trump, such as by hurting his businesses where they can).
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$iljanus wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:38 pm
Pyperkub wrote:Who didn't see this coming in our retreat ceding leadership of World Trade?
In meetings in Brussels, Berlin and Beijing, senior Chinese officials, including Vice Premier Liu He and the Chinese government’s top diplomat, State Councillor Wang Yi, have proposed an alliance between the two economic powers and offered to open more of the Chinese market in a gesture of goodwill.
But the European Union, the world’s largest trading bloc, has rejected the idea of allying with Beijing against Washington, five EU officials and diplomats told Reuters, ahead of a Sino-European summit in Beijing on July 16-17.
The EU isn't interested in unduly angering the Mangerine...for the moment. But I suspect this is just the opening offer on the table and the EU is just biding its time.
Tell that to Chancellor Merkel. As long as the GOP can win elections as a batshit insane party, we're going to be on International Double-Secret probation, constantly losing influence, and begging to get it back.

War with North Korea or Iran? Nah, you fooled us last time.

Trade agreement to limit Chinese influence in the Pacific? Nope, you slapped us, your allies, with tariffs and demanded concessions.

International Climate Change agreement? Nah, you declined to commit, and then backed out.

NATO? WTO? Well, we're probably better off without the insane Americans.

America, you are on your own. We thought you were on the right path when Obama took over, but then you backslid even further. We want nothing to do with any of your so-called commitments.
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$iljanus wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:38 pm The EU isn't interested in unduly angering the Mangerine...for the moment. But I suspect this is just the opening offer on the table and the EU is just biding its time.
I think they've already decided drumpf is an opponent to be worked around. At this point they are absolutely looking at alternatives to the US. This is a direct outcome of Drumpf refusing to work with them. Olive branches have been offered many times. Drumpf is not interested.

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GreenGoo wrote:
$iljanus wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:38 pm The EU isn't interested in unduly angering the Mangerine...for the moment. But I suspect this is just the opening offer on the table and the EU is just biding its time.
I think they've already decided drumpf is an opponent to be worked around. At this point they are absolutely looking at alternatives to the US. This is a direct outcome of Drumpf refusing to work with them. Olive branches have been offered many times. Drumpf is not interested.

Reap what you sow.
I think it's just early for the EU to publicly partner with China but I'm sure there are some informal conversations taking place. Unlike the Toddler In Chief, the adults in the room aren't going to engage in public proclamations of winning until concrete things are in place.
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Sure. That's how most countries with competent leaders behave.
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