That's... gibberish.
Next time a Baptist describes Jesus as not the son of God in the name of inclusivity we can talk.
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I'm sure they are. And I don't expect them not to be...
For a lot of people, Judaism is more of a cultural identity than a religion. I know a couple of people of Jewish descent who still self-identify as Jews but don't believe their holy writ or follow the rituals or even observe the holidays, except in the same way that nonbelievers observe Christmas. So I can understand why some Jews might adopt Christian beliefs without wanting to give up their Jewish identity. It's more than a label...it's an ethnicity.
I've been looking into this because I literally can't grok it and it seems a lot more mendacious than not now. The Pence camp is claiming that Lena Epstein arranged the J4J Rabbi. That seems preposterous on its face. Since she is actually a Conservative Jew.
This is not normal.The document is organized in 14 sections with multiple tiers of bullet points and a smattering of biblical citations. Under one heading, “Rules of War,” it makes a chilling prescription for enemies who flout “biblical law.” It states, “If they do not yield – kill all males.”
After the document was leaked online Tuesday, the Spokane Valley Republican insisted he was not promoting violence and that the message had been taken out of context.
When I heard this news, I assumed that someone was taking something out of context. It seemed at least possible that the document was quoting a broad swath of Old Testament rules on Israelites at war that included such a verse, and that a reporter misunderstood the nature of quoting the Bible in order to adapt it to a modern point.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:27 pm Washington state Representative Rep. Matt Shea takes credit, criticism for document titled ‘Biblical Basis for War’.
This is not normal.The document is organized in 14 sections with multiple tiers of bullet points and a smattering of biblical citations. Under one heading, “Rules of War,” it makes a chilling prescription for enemies who flout “biblical law.” It states, “If they do not yield – kill all males.”
After the document was leaked online Tuesday, the Spokane Valley Republican insisted he was not promoting violence and that the message had been taken out of context.
EDIT: You can read the 4 page document here. But yeah, we need to worry about ISIS sneaking across the Mexican border.
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Was "in context" ever provided? I really want to see it. I'm trying to imagine in context for the 10 c and 10 d one two punch.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:27 pm Washington state Representative Rep. Matt Shea takes credit, criticism for document titled ‘Biblical Basis for War’.
This is not normal.The document is organized in 14 sections with multiple tiers of bullet points and a smattering of biblical citations. Under one heading, “Rules of War,” it makes a chilling prescription for enemies who flout “biblical law.” It states, “If they do not yield – kill all males.”
After the document was leaked online Tuesday, the Spokane Valley Republican insisted he was not promoting violence and that the message had been taken out of context.
EDIT: You can read the 4 page document here. But yeah, we need to worry about ISIS sneaking across the Mexican border.
At *best* it could be claimed that this list is a run-down of what God tells the ancient Israelites about war (in a brutal time nothing like our own, etc etc), and that certain principles of moderation can be derived thereby. (In the same sense that "an eye for an eye" is not an endorsement of brutal punishment but actually a proscription against escalation and vendettas.)LordMortis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:31 pmWas "in context" ever provided? I really want to see it. I'm trying to imagine in context for the 10 c and 10 d one two punch.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:27 pm Washington state Representative Rep. Matt Shea takes credit, criticism for document titled ‘Biblical Basis for War’.
This is not normal.The document is organized in 14 sections with multiple tiers of bullet points and a smattering of biblical citations. Under one heading, “Rules of War,” it makes a chilling prescription for enemies who flout “biblical law.” It states, “If they do not yield – kill all males.”
After the document was leaked online Tuesday, the Spokane Valley Republican insisted he was not promoting violence and that the message had been taken out of context.
EDIT: You can read the 4 page document here. But yeah, we need to worry about ISIS sneaking across the Mexican border.
An El Paso pastor accused of sexual abuse of a child says that the allegations are the work of the devil.
Jean Jacob Jeudy, 48, was arrested Thursday at the Walk By Faith International Missionary Church, which operates out of a strip mall near the city's airport, according to the El Paso County Sheriff's Office. Jeudy was booked into the El Paso County jail on one count of sexual assault of a child and two counts of indecency with a child by sexual contact.
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In a number of posts on his personal Facebook page and the church's page, Jeudy wrote that there was no time for "demonic distractions" and urged his congregants to stay focused on their Christian work.
Ukraine took a major step on Saturday toward establishing its own, autonomous Orthodox Church, setting the stage for increased tensions with Russia by altering a centuries-old religious tradition under which the Kiev church answered to Moscow.
Some 190 bishops, priests and other church figures spent the day closeted in St. Sophia’s Cathedral in downtown Kiev to elect the newly unified Ukrainian church’s head, Metropolitan Epiphanius. He is scheduled to travel in January to Istanbul, the historical seat of the Eastern Orthodox Church, to receive an official order granting autonomy.
In post-Cold-War terms, this is just more Eastern European tension. In history-of-Christendom terms, it's a huge deal.The Russian Orthodox Church, which puts its membership at 150 million, will lose up to 30 to 40 percent of its most ardent followers; around 16 percent of Ukrainians attend church regularly, compared with half that in Russia. Perhaps more important, a smaller church could undermine Moscow’s longstanding effort to portray itself as the protector of all 300 million Orthodox Christians worldwide.
I know the national Orthodox churches are somewhat independent (in fact my sister belongs to the very small American Orthodox Church), but in practical fact the theological and (due to the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union) political/cultural directions of Orthodoxy in Europe have long been set by Moscow (or St. Petersburg, whatever). Even the church in Greece has for centuries tended to nod to Russia.Grifman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:56 am That is almost right. Orthodox has always been a united single church, but it is organized along national lines. There is a Greek Orthodox Church, an Armenian Orthodox Church, a Russian Orthodox Church, etc. The largest of course is the Russian one, and it has been closely aligned or controlled at times by whoever holds the power in Moscow, but it would be incorrect to say that all of the orthodox churches have been aligned with Moscow (if that is what you were saying).
Now that Ukraine is independent, it makes a lot of sense that they have a national church, and one less beholden to Moscow. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
"Islamization does not take place -- neither in Germany nor in Europe," the AfD's Jörg Meuthen wrote sarcastically on social media. "It is therefore certainly pure coincidence that the depicted, known chocolate variety is now certified as 'HALAL.'"
The post prompted some of his followers to react with similar outrage, with several people throughout Europe tweeting that they would not be purchasing the product in the future.
"I will never, EVER buy another toblerone!!! #BOYCOTTTOBLERONE," one Twitter user wrote. "Too bad, I like to eat. But I don't like Muslim food," another said on Facebook, while a third announced: "Toblerone is now on my list!"
Just wrap the damn thing in bacon. You'll show them damn islamists what's whatSmoove_B wrote:I guess if you're looking for a topic to bring up with family over the holidays, perhaps discuss why Toblerone earning halal-certification is an outrage.
"Islamization does not take place -- neither in Germany nor in Europe," the AfD's Jörg Meuthen wrote sarcastically on social media. "It is therefore certainly pure coincidence that the depicted, known chocolate variety is now certified as 'HALAL.'"
The post prompted some of his followers to react with similar outrage, with several people throughout Europe tweeting that they would not be purchasing the product in the future.
"I will never, EVER buy another toblerone!!! #BOYCOTTTOBLERONE," one Twitter user wrote. "Too bad, I like to eat. But I don't like Muslim food," another said on Facebook, while a third announced: "Toblerone is now on my list!"
When I go drinking with my buddy who's orthodox, he can order any but the smallest craft brewery's stuff with confidence. (He does his research.)
Stawman, religious people don't think death is meaningless. And if you are held to account for your actions in this world, you might actually care MORE about how you treat people. Using your logic, why care about some slub you treated badly if you can get away with it?YellowKing wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:30 am I'd rather not live under a delusion that death is basically meaningless since I'll be reunited some day. It makes you appreciate people more when there's no magic loophole.
Maybe I should clarify that I was referring to how I feel, not trying to generalize it. I don't care what other people's religious beliefs are, and I'm not trying to argue for or against religion in any way. I think it's a personal choice and everybody has the right to believe what they want to believe.Grifman wrote:Stawman, religious people don't think death is meaningless. And if you are held to account for your actions in this world, you might actually care MORE about how you treat people. Using your logic, why care about some slub you treated badly if you can get away with it?
My point wasn't that unbelievers can't be good. It was a counterpoint to your comment that believers might care less because of a "magic loophole".YellowKing wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:38 am . Yet I've never been in trouble with the law, I've never cheated on my wife, I (try) to treat others with respect, I function in society, etc. So it's not like belief in God is a pre-requisite for being a good person.
Who said anything about an old man in the sky? Try thinking a little deeper