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Re: College students and their safe space

Post by Moliere » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:29 pm

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I will admit that I have had some heartburn over this thread's focus on students as if there is something downright unique about students needing safe spaces with the implicit assumption that other groups don't engage in similar behavior. How about a high schooler calling a congressman on a gun walkout saying Congress needs to get off their fucking asses and then Amodei's office reported said student to the school for profanity who has now been suspended and deprived of his class officer position for that call?
Rep. Mark Amodei (R-NV) defended one of his staffers on Monday after a high school student’s profanity-laced call led the staffer to report the call to the student’s school, resulting in the student’s suspension.

“I’m not apologizing because my guy accurately described what happened in the phone call,” Amodei told the Nevada Independent.

17-year-old Noah Christiansen called Amodei’s office during Wednesday’s national school walkout to say that lawmakers needed to “get off their fucking asses” and do something about gun violence, such as raising the minimum age to purchase firearms.

The staffer who took the call contacted the principal of Christiansen’s high school about the incident, who then slapped the student with a two-day suspension for “disrespectful language.” Christiansen was also barred from assuming his role as elected class secretary-treasurer.
That sounds pretty "safe-spacey" to me. When I look at the youth of today I am increasingly seeing more activism overall, but I sure don't see the majority of those activists fitting this thread's narrative.
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“I think the numbers are actually much different than people think,” Trump said. “I think we have a lot of support. If they have one campus or two campuses, and we know what they are, it gets all the publicity. We have campuses where you have a vast majority of people that are perhaps like many of the people in this room, you could call it conservative, you call it whatever you want, but there are people that want free speech.”

“If you look [at] what’s going on with free speech, with the super-left, with Antifa, with all of these characters — I’ll tell you what, they get a lot of publicity, but you go to the real campuses and you go all over the country, you go out to the Middle West, you go out even to the coast in many cases, we have tremendous support,” Trump continued. “I would say we have majority support. I think it’s highly overblown. Highly overblown.”
In his typical self-aggrandizing way he says "Meh" to the whole colleges being out of control against free speech and for political correctness.
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Keith Mumphery, MSU Athlete Cleared of Rape but Expelled Anyway
Keith Mumphery, who was booted from the NFL after news broke that he had been expelled from Michigan State University for sexually assaulting a female student. The university made that determination without Mumphery's knowledge. The athlete, a graduate of MSU, had no idea he was under investigation, since administrators' emails bounced back.
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It's great to see this obvious miscarriage of justice getting the attention it deserves. Mumphery's situation is a perfect example of the damage caused by Obama-era Title IX dictates and reinforces the argument that Education Secretary Betsy DeVos was right to rescind the overzealous guidance.
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Post by Paingod » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:07 am

Sooo ... if you cut down enough trees, one of them will be rotten inside? It's a good way to make policies.
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Paingod wrote:
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Sooo ... if you cut down enough trees, one of them will be rotten inside? It's a good way to make policies.
There is more than one example of this. The Atlantic, which is hardly a conservative publication has a whole series on this issue:

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/a ... cy/538974/

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/a ... t/539211/

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/a ... es/539361/
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/throws a stack of papers into the air

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Post by Moliere » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:10 am

Some Temple University Administrators Want Marc Lamont Hill Fired For 'Hate Speech'
Last week, CNN cut ties with Marc Lamont Hill, a professor at Temple University and leftist pundit for the network, after he made comments about Israel that some consider anti-Semitic. Now some officials at Temple University want to do the same thing.
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This distinction between "hate speech" and "free speech" is nonsense. No Supreme Court decision has ever recognized hate speech as a separate, unprotected category of speech, and any attempt to regulate hate speech at a public university would assuredly be struck down as unconstitutional.

But O'Connor sounds like he wants Hill gone. "We're going to look at what remedies we have," he tells Philly.com. Temple President Richard Englert said in a statement that some people view Hill's remark as a "perceived threat." And a trustee, Leonard Barrack, has accused Hill of using coded language to call for the destruction of Israel.

Temple administrators should stand down immediately. They can criticize Hill all they want, but anti-Israel statements are protected speech, hateful or not.

This incident is a useful reminder that attempts to limit the scope of permissible speech on campus due to nebulous safety concerns—"hate speech," "perceived threats," etc.—will always backfire on the left. The administrative doublespeak deployed by universities in service of keeping Ben Shapiro off campus can and will be weaponized against people like Hill.

At the same time, I would like to see more conservatives stand up for fairness here. If you were outraged about Twitter (briefly) banning Jesse Kelly, or The Atlantic terminating Kevin Williamson, or ABC cancelling Roseanne, you ought to have something to say about CNN firing Hill, too.
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Post by Jaymann » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:03 am

Hill's comment came at a November 28 United Nations meeting, where he called for a "free Palestine from the river to the sea"
It seems like that would fall under free speech, but even if he is free to say it, he is not free from the consequences of saying it.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:20 am

CNN absolutely has the right to fire him. Temple, as a state-related university, likely does not.

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Post by Defiant » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:59 am

According to wikipedia, it's a "state-related" university, which:
Legally, however, the universities remain separate and private entities, operating under their own charters, governed by independent boards of trustees, and with its assets under their own ownership and control, thereby retaining much of the freedom and individuality of private institutions, both administratively and academically.
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So maybe they are independent enough from the government to be able to fire him? Not sure, though.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:15 am

I'm sure the lawyers will be glad to spend a few months to years arguing about it.

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Student organizers boot former SNL writer from stage during standup routine for jokes deemed offensive
Comedian and former Saturday Night Live writer Nimesh Patel was pulled from the stage by event organizers after telling jokes that were criticized as racist and homophobic during his performance at cultureSHOCK: Reclaim, an event held by Columbia Asian American Alliance on Friday night.

Patel, 32, was the first Indian-American writer for SNL, and has since been nominated for an Emmy Award for Outstanding Writing. Patel has previously performed on Late Night with Seth Meyers and opened for comedians such as Chris Rock.

During the event, Patel’s performance featured commentary on his experience living in a diverse area of New York City—including a joke about a gay, black man in his neighborhood—which AAA officials deemed inappropriate. Patel joked that being gay cannot be a choice because “no one looks in the mirror and thinks, ‘this black thing is too easy, let me just add another thing to it.’”
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Post by Kraken » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:46 am

Because you expect something called cultureSHOCK to be a safe space.

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Kraken wrote:
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Because you expect something called cultureSHOCK to be a safe space.
You should probably know who you're hiring.

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Post by Max Peck » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:08 am

I'm not so sure they even know what "racist and homophobic" actually mean, because that joke is neither of those things.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:20 am

Jokes based on race and sexual orientation are by inherently racist and homophobic.

Duh.

Unless they are about your own race and/or sexual orientation. Then they are hilarious.

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"By signing this contract, you are agreeing to our no tolerance policy with regards to racism, sexism, classism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia or anti-religion or anti-theism,"

I guess that leaves airplane food and men who wear brown shoes with black pants for jokes.
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Moliere wrote:
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"By signing this contract, you are agreeing to our no tolerance policy with regards to racism, sexism, classism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia or anti-religion or anti-theism,"

I guess that leaves airplane food and men who wear brown shoes with black pants for jokes.
That has to be a joke. I can't imagine any comedian reading that and thinking its serious.

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Post by Z-Corn » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:37 pm

Unagi wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:18 pm
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"By signing this contract, you are agreeing to our no tolerance policy with regards to racism, sexism, classism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia or anti-religion or anti-theism,"

I guess that leaves airplane food and men who wear brown shoes with black pants for jokes.
That has to be a joke. I can't imagine any comedian reading that and thinking its serious.
I was going to mention that I know college gigs pay a lot of money and comedians DO put up with a lot of restrictions on their work to get these gigs but then I read this is for an unpaid charity event. Good luck getting talent!

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"Told to remove"

From the link:
But a week after posting the sign in her dorm window, she received an email from a resident director asking her to remove the sign over "issues of inclusion."
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"While Residence Education cannot force you or your roommate to take the sign down, I am asking that you or your roommate take the sign down so that all students can be a part of an inclusive residential experience, as well as having a respectful environment to be a part of here on our campus," Eddie Papazoni, a resident director at UMass Amherst, told Parsons in the email obtained by BuzzFeed News.
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"A poorly worded email from Residence Life staff asking students to take down the sign does not reflect the values of the campus, and it should not have been sent," it said. "The university respects the students’ right to display the sign and it may remain up."
Less serious than if she were found with a fog machine in her room.

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Would "white supremacists" have been more inclusive?
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Post by Zarathud » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:50 pm

They're just chickenshit over telling her to take it down over the f word. And upsetting the conservative snowflakes.
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Post by Fitzy » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:09 am

Isgrimnur wrote:
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Less serious than if she were found with a fog machine in her room.
On Halloween night at 2 a.m. the fire alarm in our building went off. Since it has on many occasions (though never at night), we took our time in leaving. When we strolled past the windows to the lounge, it was filled with smoke.

The fire alarm had been set off by a fog machine.

tl;dr Fuck fog machines.

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Post by Z-Corn » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:19 am

Fitzy wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:09 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:36 pm


Less serious than if she were found with a fog machine in her room.
On Halloween night at 2 a.m. the fire alarm in our building went off. Since it has on many occasions (though never at night), we took our time in leaving. When we strolled past the windows to the lounge, it was filled with smoke.

The fire alarm had been set off by a fog machine.

tl;dr Fuck fog machines.
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Post by Moliere » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:23 pm

The president signed an executive order supporting free speech on college campuses.
The text of the order, though, does not make it exactly clear what standard various government agencies will use to decide whether universities are violating students' rights. As such, it mostly serves as a declaration of support for the First Amendment, and a sign that the Trump administration is paying attention to what's happening on campuses.

The president also lamented skyrocketing tuition prices and the crushing burden of student loan debt that many students face. He also made reference to the connection between government-subsidized loans and increasing tuition costs., and signaled that his administration is looking at doing something to help graduates drowning in debt.

"The reason is there's no incentive for [colleges and universities] to watch costs," he said. "People at the heads of the institutions, being paid a fortune, they don't care because the government loans the student the money, they pay the money to the college, and then the student graduates the college or university and they're stuck with $200,000 in loans they won't be able to pay for a long time."
He's right about that, at least.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:34 pm

Something something blind squirrel, broken clock, etc.

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Post by LordMortis » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:30 pm

Does this go here?

https://www.salon.com/2019/03/13/maga-f ... l-of-guns/
A Republican developer launched a new application to help conservatives find “safe” restaurants and stores where they can wear “Make America Great Again” hats in peace.

Oklahoma developer Scott Wallace launched “63red Safe” earlier this month, a Yelp-type app that bills itself as “an app to keep conservatives safe as they eat and shop.”

“Reviews of local restaurant and businesses from a conservative perspective, helping [ensure] you’re safe when you shop and eat!” reads the app's description on the Google Play store.

Wallace told The Washington Post he came up with the idea in November, when his son wanted to buy “one of those MAGA hats” but worried it would make them targets for harassment.

"I thought, ‘Maybe this isn’t the right thing to do,’” he told The Post. “That was very uncomfortable for me. I don’t want to be a nation where putting Che Guevara on a T-shirt … or wearing a MAGA hat … makes you a target.”

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Post by GreenGoo » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:40 pm

Wtf does he mean by "safe"? Safe from rude people? Good luck with that.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:37 pm

Well, you can't even show up to a vigil for a racist asshole shooting up a mosque in your MAGA hat in Canada without being hassled. How are Americans supposed to cope?

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Post by Enough » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:49 pm

How about book burning?



https://twitter.com/elainaaan/status/11 ... 3754929152
Students at Georgia Southern University burned a book, written by a New York Times contributor, after a Q&A session at her lecture became heated.

Jennine Capó Crucet is a Latina author, associate professor at the University of Nebraska and graduate of Cornell University. Her novel “Make Your Home Among Strangers” was used as required reading in some FYE classes. The book follows a Hispanic girl, inspired by herself, who is accepted into a prestigious university and struggles in her new predominantly white atmosphere.

Crucet spoke at the Performing Arts Center Wednesday night and after she talked about the book, followed by some personal anecdotes, she opened the audience up to questions.

“I noticed that you made a lot of generalizations about the majority of white people being privileged,” one respondent said into the microphone. “What makes you believe that it’s okay to come to a college campus, like this, when we are supposed to be promoting diversity on this campus, which is what we’re taught. I don’t understand what the purpose of this was.”

Crucet immediately responded to the student with audible reactions from the audience.

“I came here because I was invited and I talked about white privilege because it’s a real thing that you are actually benefiting from right now in even asking this question,” Crucet said.

“What’s so heartbreaking for me and what is so difficult in this moment right now is to literally have read a talk about this exact moment happening and it’s happening again. That is why a different experience, the white experience, is centered in this talk.”

After Crucet’s response, more questions regarding the novel and Crucet’s dealing with being a minority in America were asked and Crucet responded politely.

Crucet took to Twitter to thank GS for having her and to respond to some tweets that questioned her “dissing white people.”

“I met some very amazing, brilliant students at @GeorgiaSouthern tonight,” Crucet said in the tweet. “Many of them were the ones disrupting the aggressive & ignorant comments during the Q&A. At the signing, we hugged & cried. I‘m happy to know them and also legit worried for their safety.”

Later that night, a video of students standing around a fire was posted on Twitter.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:02 pm

Would it be wrong to start a GoFundMe to buy 1M copies of the book to burn? That seems like an appropriate way to handle all that impotent angst.
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Fine people on both sides, I'm sure.

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Things made so much more sense when they were burning draft cards and bras.
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