El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:28 am
I'm confused, I thought that planning around winning in 2020 was doing nothing and hoping for the best.
Lol, doing nothing and hoping is not planning. In any case, my comments were about 2020, 2024, 2028 and so on. The benefits of impeachment aren't solely for elections however. The benefits of impeachment are shoring up the rule of law which this president is trying to destroy, the respect and faith in American institutions which this president undermines with every tweet (he's talking trash about the fbi and the free press, for god's sake), and a statement (one with the force of government behind it, not just criticisms to the press) to those who would use their positions for their own corrupt purposes. Those benefits may seem intangible, but they have very tangible consequences for the future.
And let's be frank. You can voice your disapproval of corruption or you can keep silent and hope it all works out. If you feel the latter is the right path, well, this is where we differ. There is right and there is wrong. There is building up the country, it's institutions and place in the world and there is tearing it down. There is making a statement, taking a stand for what's right, there is identifying wrong and calling it out, and there standing on the sidelines making disapproving noises and hoping that it doesn't repeat itself, despite reinforcing the idea to every greedy politician that misbehaviour will be overlooked because doing (even trying to do) something about it is a lot of work and might lose the next election.
If defending the presidency from corruption is just voting, then how in the hell did you get here in the first place? Voting is the norm. Voting is the default. Trying to win 2020 is something that you were already going to do, regardless of drumpf's actions. Trying to win in 2020 is not fighting drumpf and his corruption. It's just another day in politics. It puts Clinton, and Bush, and Obama, and drumpf all in the same pool. They are all equals, all needed to be defeated in the next election, so let's do that. Doing nothing is the same thing as saying drumpf did nothing out of the ordinary and his presidency was on par with Bush's and just like Bush, we'll vote him out, hopefully. Or Clinton's. Or whoever that didn't try to destroy America's faith and confidence in itself.
Drumpf will be gone, one way or another, eventually. What happens now will impact what happens next. I feel that impeachment proceedings, even if they fail, is fighting against carnage he's causing to America. Slowing it down. Pushing back. I think fighting him is a worthy cause, and one that will give America some confidence in the future, when looking back. America can say "we fought against his corruption even though we lost" instead of "remember when drumpf was president and we did nothing?".
Fighting the good fight has value in itself, whatever the outcome.