Fundraising for 2019/2020. 12 Month renewal is up Oct 21/2019. $382.44 USD of roughly $1700 USD (CDN conversion) as of Aug 13/2019. Paypal Donation Link Here

Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

For discussion of religion and politics

Moderators: LawBeefaroni, $iljanus

Post Reply

Who do you like best in the first cohort?

Cory Booker
3
9%
Bill de Blasio
1
3%
Julián Castro
0
No votes
John Delaney
0
No votes
Tulsi Gabbard
1
3%
Jay Inslee
1
3%
Amy Klobuchar
1
3%
Beto O’Rourke
2
6%
Tim Ryan
0
No votes
Elizabeth Warren
26
74%
 
Total votes: 35

User avatar
Kraken
Posts: 34114
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
Location: The Hub of the Universe
Contact:
Kraken’s avatar
Offline

Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Kraken » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:19 pm

Who's the best of this bunch?

User avatar
El Guapo
Posts: 32612
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:01 pm
Location: Boston

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by El Guapo » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:31 pm

Gabbard-mania!

But seriously, I went with Warren. She's increasingly my favorite among the field. Second place among this group would be Booker at the moment.

User avatar
YellowKing
Posts: 25457
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:02 pm

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by YellowKing » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:38 pm

Warren by a landslide.

User avatar
Kraken
Posts: 34114
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
Location: The Hub of the Universe
Contact:
Kraken’s avatar
Offline

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Kraken » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:40 pm

Warren ought to crush this group, as she is indeed doing so far. I suspect this won't be a very revealing poll; blame the DNC.

User avatar
pr0ner
Posts: 14281
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:00 pm
Location: Northern Virginia, VA
Contact:

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by pr0ner » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:49 pm

This group is pretty unfair.
Hodor.

User avatar
Jaymann
Posts: 8755
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:13 pm
Location: California

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Jaymann » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:22 pm

I went with Bill de Blasio since it sounds like a character on City of Heroes.
Jaymann
]==(:::::::::::::>

User avatar
Fireball
Posts: 4565
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:43 pm

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Fireball » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:39 am

I'm all in for Warren, on this poll and in the primary.
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:17 am
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)

User avatar
Kraken
Posts: 34114
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
Location: The Hub of the Universe
Contact:
Kraken’s avatar
Offline

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Kraken » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:51 pm

Just a reminder that this airs tonight at 9 pm ET. With 60-second answers and 30-second followups -- and consisting of Warren and the B team -- I'm not expecting much in the way of "debate." Which is a shame, because Warren's a notoriously good debater. But I'll watch it anyway.

User avatar
$iljanus
Forum Moderator
Posts: 10787
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:46 pm
Location: Under the bed...your bed...

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by $iljanus » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:19 pm

I need a nameplate for a couple of candidates since I don’t know who some of them are.

Go Warren!
tl;dr

Wise words of warning from Smoove B: Oh, how you all laughed when I warned you about the semen. Well, who's laughing now?

User avatar
gbasden
Posts: 5781
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:57 am
Location: Sacramento, CA

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by gbasden » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:47 pm

I've been really happy with Warren so far - she's actually answering the questions. Beto seems to be regurgitating stump speeches. I've been mildly impressed with DeBlasio and Booker.

User avatar
Defiant
Posts: 17870
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:09 pm
Location: Tongue in cheek

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Defiant » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:27 pm

I haven't been watching. Given his history, I assume this is false:



But just in case it isn't, can one of you watching fact check it?

User avatar
gbasden
Posts: 5781
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:57 am
Location: Sacramento, CA

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by gbasden » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:31 pm

I imagine that the average joe sixpack would probably find it boring. It seems reasonably interesting to me, someone with interest in politics. There have been some pretty good exchanges so far. Booker has been on a teat for the last half hour.

User avatar
naednek
Posts: 8968
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:23 pm
naednek’s avatar
Offline

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by naednek » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:13 pm

I only watched a half hour or so, but they seem to focus on Warren and Booker and everyone else gets ignored. When they do get a question tossed their way, they won't stop talking.
hepcat - "I agree with Naednek"

User avatar
gbasden
Posts: 5781
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:57 am
Location: Sacramento, CA

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by gbasden » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:21 pm

naednek wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:13 pm
I only watched a half hour or so, but they seem to focus on Warren and Booker and everyone else gets ignored. When they do get a question tossed their way, they won't stop talking.
I didn't get that feeling. There were a few candidates that I think didn't get a lot of exposure, but in general it was pretty lively. DeBlasio got hit pretty often, Inslee especially got hit on climate change, Castro got asked questions on immigration and bipartisanship, Klobuchar got asked about Iran and dealing with McConnell. All in all I thought it was pretty even. Tim Ryan got a question, but I don't remember much about what he said. Gabbard talked about Iran and guns, I think. Everyone went over time, but it wasn't as egregious as some debates I've seen.

Drazzil
Posts: 3057
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:54 pm

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Drazzil » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:38 pm

Any way I can stream this or watch online?
Daehawk wrote:Thats Drazzil's chair damnit.

User avatar
Kraken
Posts: 34114
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
Location: The Hub of the Universe
Contact:
Kraken’s avatar
Offline

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Kraken » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:41 pm

gbasden wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:31 pm
Booker has been on a teat for the last half hour.
I'm going to guess you meant "tear." :lol: I would call Booker the winner in rising above the rest of the B team. Warren, who was obviously in the wrong debate, held her own; that was all she needed to do.

Klobuchar rubs me the wrong way; that didn't change. Gabbard seems like a serious and sincere person who is out of her league -- every answer came back to Iraq. The bug-eyed guy on the right side who kept interrupting annoyed the hell out of me. I didn't remember his name because I know I won't be seeing much more of him.

User avatar
Kraken
Posts: 34114
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
Location: The Hub of the Universe
Contact:
Kraken’s avatar
Offline

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Kraken » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:47 pm

Defiant wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:27 pm
I haven't been watching. Given his history, I assume this is false:



But just in case it isn't, can one of you watching fact check it?
Trump was bashed at appropriate times and his failures were used accurately, but he wasn't the focus. Mostly, it was a wide-ranging exchange of policy differences. Of course that would bore Trump.

User avatar
Daehawk
Posts: 43464
Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:11 am
daehawk’s avatar
Snooze

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Daehawk » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:25 am

Saw the boring thing on the news. He is SO unpresidential.
https://www.gofundme.com/please-help-di ... -wife-died ....Help for me to take care of stuff . Wife died Jan 3 2019 after 31 years. My soulmate.
---------------------------------------------
I am Dyslexic of Borg, prepare to have your ass laminated.
GroovAtroN, stop asking
I guess Ray Butts has ate his last pancake.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/daehawk

User avatar
gbasden
Posts: 5781
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:57 am
Location: Sacramento, CA

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by gbasden » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:43 am

Kraken wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:41 pm


I'm going to guess you meant "tear." :lol:
Err, yes. :oops:

User avatar
gbasden
Posts: 5781
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:57 am
Location: Sacramento, CA

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by gbasden » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:44 am

Drazzil wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:38 pm
Any way I can stream this or watch online?
They did stream it live on nbcnews.com - it might either be there or on their Youtube page.

User avatar
Jaymann
Posts: 8755
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:13 pm
Location: California

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Jaymann » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:52 am

gbasden wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:43 am
Kraken wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:41 pm


I'm going to guess you meant "tear." :lol:
Err, yes. :oops:
I imagined him sucking on the mother lode.
Jaymann
]==(:::::::::::::>

User avatar
Defiant
Posts: 17870
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:09 pm
Location: Tongue in cheek

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Defiant » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:37 am


GungHo
Posts: 3718
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:15 am
Location: Second star to the right

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by GungHo » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:27 am

I'm good with whomever. Of course as I'm still registered as a Republican I can't vote in the primary anyway. I just hope a consensus favorite can emerge soon so the party can rally behind them and there isn't the mess they had in 2016. It's going to take the whole party pulling in the same direction to beat trump
OR
cry in a corner that the world has come to a point where you have to pay for imaginary shit.

-Hiccup

User avatar
em2nought
Posts: 3471
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:48 am

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by em2nought » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:39 am

Thinking about changing my registration to democrat so I can help pick the clown who goes up against El Supremo. :think: Can I do that? :mrgreen:
Enlarge Image
Waiting for the tide to bring me a sail.

User avatar
Holman
Posts: 21176
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:00 pm
Location: Approximately Wissahickon

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Holman » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:59 am

GungHo wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:27 am
I'm good with whomever. Of course as I'm still registered as a Republican I can't vote in the primary anyway. I just hope a consensus favorite can emerge soon so the party can rally behind them and there isn't the mess they had in 2016.
I think that *was* the mess they had in 2016.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.

User avatar
pr0ner
Posts: 14281
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:00 pm
Location: Northern Virginia, VA
Contact:

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by pr0ner » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:24 am

GungHo wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:27 am
I'm good with whomever. Of course as I'm still registered as a Republican I can't vote in the primary anyway. I just hope a consensus favorite can emerge soon so the party can rally behind them and there isn't the mess they had in 2016. It's going to take the whole party pulling in the same direction to beat trump
At least you can vote for Bill Weld in the primary?
Hodor.

User avatar
Fireball
Posts: 4565
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:43 pm

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by Fireball » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:00 am

It was a good night for Warren, Booker, Castro and Klobuchar.

It was a very bad night for Beto O'Rourke and John Delaney.

The rest are somewhere in the middle.
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:17 am
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)

User avatar
noxiousdog
Posts: 23209
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:27 pm
Contact:

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by noxiousdog » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:20 am

GungHo wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:27 am
I'm good with whomever. Of course as I'm still registered as a Republican I can't vote in the primary anyway. I just hope a consensus favorite can emerge soon so the party can rally behind them and there isn't the mess they had in 2016. It's going to take the whole party pulling in the same direction to beat trump
If you are still in Texas, we have open primaries. Regardless of whether you are registered with a party, you can vote for one or the other, but not both.

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/l ... 8-15.shtml
My continuing adventures of learning to play piano. - Now Playing Moonlight Sonata

Amazon Kindle Book Loaning Thread

"To wield Grond, the mighty hammer of the Federal Government, is to be intoxicated with power beyond what you and I can reckon (though I figure we can ball park it pretty good with computers and maths). Need to tunnel through a mountain? Grond. Kill a mighty ogre? Grond. Hangnail? Grond. Spider? Grond (actually, that's a legit use, moreso than the rest)." - Peacedog

User avatar
rittchard
Posts: 998
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:16 pm
rittchard’s avatar
Offline

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by rittchard » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:12 pm

I'll review Debate Part 1 the way I review regular TV shows, with just kind of random thoughts.

It definitely seemed like early on they were favoring Warren, and she started off strong, but it felt to me like she faded into the background towards the end. That other lady (Tulsi?) I thought started out seeming more robot than human, but when she finally got some time towards the end I thought she had one nice moment. I don't remember the topic but I just remember really liking that moment for her. Probably not enough to propel her forward but it seemed very passionate and genuine. I also came away liking the Climate Change guy (I think he's the governor of Washington?) but since I don't even remember his name, I guess that doesn't help his cause too much. He seemed too much like a one note wonder, he would be better as Secretary of Climate Change. I also liked Amy, she seemed the most calm and collected and precise with her answers. Nothing too exciting but I was semi-impressed.

Reviewers gave Castro big reviews, but I can't help feeling like he came across really creepy in the early going. I feel bad saying this because it was just a physical thing, but he had some weird look on his face early on that just creeped me out. Maybe he was just annoyed with Beta's Spanish. Speaking of which, I don't think Beta did himself any favors with his Out of the Blue Spanish pandering, it just made me really uncomfortable and I felt embarrassed for him like he was super desperate to make a splash. (Someone please warn Pete not to do it tonight!) I don't mind a little showing off and pandering, but it just came out of nowhere. Booker did a little later and so did Castro but those didn't seem quite as egregious. BTW I thought Booker did a good job overall too. I was actually more impressed with DeBlasio than I thought I'd be after hearing only negative stuff about him. At least it sounds like he's done some stuff. I don't remember much about any one else. I know there was that Tim Ryan guy who didn't make much of an impression on me. And for the life of me I can't remember who else was there but I think I only mentioned 9. Oh I cheated and saw the name - John Delaney. Ummm, I don't remember him doing anything, sorry John.

So after that, I'd say the only ones who should move forward are Warren, Amy, and Booker. I guess maybe Castro too. They should really limit the next debate to like 8 max, 10 is just too much.

User avatar
YellowKing
Posts: 25457
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:02 pm

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by YellowKing » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:47 pm

Yeah I literally cringed when Beto started speaking Spanish. It felt like when you were a teen and your mom tried to show she was cool by speaking slang.

malchior
Posts: 8776
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by malchior » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:51 pm

The pander meter was reading high all night but went out of range at that moment.

Also, Chuck Todd is awful. His gun confiscation question was ridiculous.

User avatar
pr0ner
Posts: 14281
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:00 pm
Location: Northern Virginia, VA
Contact:

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by pr0ner » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:52 pm

YellowKing wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:47 pm
Yeah I literally cringed when Beto started speaking Spanish. It felt like when you were a teen and your mom tried to show she was cool by speaking slang.
I don't know if I can find it again but I saw a priceless tweet with a picture of Booker's expression when that happened.
Hodor.

malchior
Posts: 8776
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by malchior » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 pm



Bonus tweet!


User avatar
pr0ner
Posts: 14281
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:00 pm
Location: Northern Virginia, VA
Contact:

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by pr0ner » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Yep, that's the one, malchior.
Hodor.

GungHo
Posts: 3718
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:15 am
Location: Second star to the right

Re: Flash poll: Debates edition, part 1

Post by GungHo » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:49 pm

noxiousdog wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:20 am
GungHo wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:27 am
I'm good with whomever. Of course as I'm still registered as a Republican I can't vote in the primary anyway. I just hope a consensus favorite can emerge soon so the party can rally behind them and there isn't the mess they had in 2016. It's going to take the whole party pulling in the same direction to beat trump
If you are still in Texas, we have open primaries. Regardless of whether you are registered with a party, you can vote for one or the other, but not both.

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/l ... 8-15.shtml
Haha. That's sad I didn't even know that. In my defense I've only ever voted R before trump and I wasn't ever going to vote anything but R, so I didn't care who the D was. Though I suppose that's not really much of a defense is it? More of a 'that is why we're in this shit sandwich'. :oops: I'll give trump this, at least he's woken me up (tho clearly I have more to learn).
Thanks for educating me.
OR
cry in a corner that the world has come to a point where you have to pay for imaginary shit.

-Hiccup

Post Reply