Canada 2015-22 and Beyond: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

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The Indian disdain for Canada runs a lot deeper than photo-op wardrobes. If this is the worst you can dig up, then the trip is going better than I thought. :coffee:
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billion in deals during Trudeau visit

Trip is going ok, although there is some griping.
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The snubbery isn't about business.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi hasn’t hidden his fondness for foreign leaders. He has embraced them, tweeted at them, and sent them birthday wishes—all in an effort to make India a global player in international affairs. So when Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, he of the perfect coiffure, high-voltage smile, and beautiful family arrived in New Delhi this week for a state visit, it should have been a perfect photo-op. Instead, neither Modi nor any of his senior ministers showed up to receive the Trudeaus.

Trudeau has smiled his way through India, however, meeting with business executives, signing billions of dollars worth of business deals, posing for photographs with Bollywood actors, and donning Indian attire befitting his own Indian wedding reception. The Indians, for their part, have denied the Canadian prime minister is being snubbed (one unnamed official went as far as to call it “protocol”). But a snub it is—and the diplomatic brush-off has its roots in an Indian separatist movement from the 1980s and present-day Canadian domestic politics.
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Yeah. We know.

That came out snarky. It wasn't intended that way.
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Every article about the trip on Twitter brings out these cute little maga wannabes from the prairies. They are so pathetic, trying to rile themselves up. They really think they have it bad up here, it's mind boggling.
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GreenGoo wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:04 pm Yeah. We know.

That came out snarky. It wasn't intended that way.
I'm betting that the subset of "we" that gets off on mocking Trudeau's pretty-boy image doesn't actually know a lot about the Sikh independence movement and it's impact on Canadian-Indian relations.
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So, Doug Ford Jr (the slightly less infamous brother of the late Rob Ford) is the new leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario. Interesting times ahoy!
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Headline:
Doug Ford is new Premier of Ontario; Canadians forfeit superiority to Donald Trump.
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Technically, it should read "Ontarians forfeit superiority to Trump voters." :pop:
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Holman wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:31 pm Headline:
Doug Ford is new Premier of Ontario; Canadians forfeit superiority to Donald Trump.
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Max Peck wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:39 pm Technically, it should read "Ontarians forfeit superiority to Trump voters." :pop:
It's hard to accept at first, and you have to work through a lot of nausea and rage, but eventually you'll realize that the rot is closer than you thought and that combating it will take everything you have.

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Ontario is kind of used to being a cesspool.

On a separate note, how knew that when you go to war with something (trade or otherwise) they might get indignant about the whole thing.

At this point I'm starting to think Drumpf envies the intellect of a bag of hammers (doorknobs?).
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GreenGoo wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:40 am Ontario is kind of used to being a cesspool.

On a separate note, how knew that when you go to war with something (trade or otherwise) they might get indignant about the whole thing.

At this point I'm starting to think Drumpf envies the intellect of a bag of hammers (doorknobs?).
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Justin Trudeau's government his being shaken by his first major political scandal, which has led to two resignations form his cabinet.

The scandal stems from claims that Canadian officials inappropriately pressured a former justice minister to help a major construction company avoid a corruption trial.
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One resigned because they were implicated, one resigned because they were disgusted.
Treasury Board President Jane Philpott, who was in charge of government spending, resigned on Monday and attacked the government for its handling of claims it intervened to protect a major construction firm.

She is the second Cabinet minister to resign, following former justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould, who is at the center of the scandal.
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Philpott said in her resignation statement: "Sadly, I have lost confidence in how the government has dealt with this matter and in how it has responded to the issues raised."
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Wilson-Raybould was demoted from justice minister to the post of veteran affairs minister in January, before the scandal became public knowledge.

She resigned from Cabinet on February 12, by which time reports had started to emerged of the corruption allegations.

She did not outline her reasons for resigning in her resignation letter to Trudeau, but wrote that Canadians "must stand together for the values that Canada is built on, and which are the foundation for our future."
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That's just the tip of the iceberg...
"Trudeau gave $600 million to the Clinton Foundation. The Clinton Foundation is part of child trafficking and child sacrifice, if you study it. It's in the pizzagate," he said.

"The PM, if he knows about the foundation, should he be in jail for that one? Also, he needs to pay back the $600 million plus his trips to the Canadians."
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A taste of things to come, with a federal election just around the corner...

Catherine McKenna: Canada environment minister given extra security
Canada's environment minister says she has been assigned a security detail because of abuse she has received both online and in person.

Catherine McKenna said in one recent incident a man in a car pulled up alongside her and her children, swore and called her a "climate Barbie".

In Canada, government ministers rarely need high levels of protection.

The move comes as environmental campaigners, particularly women, report increasing levels of abuse.

Climate change has become a major issue in Canada's federal election in October, with the two main parties taking opposing views on the subject.
Online abuse has been going on since she was elected, she added, but in recent months public confrontations have become worse.

She said she had received messages that included sexualised insults and threats against her family. In person she has been called an enemy, a traitor and a "communist piece of garbage".

"The vocal sexism and hateful comments that are directed to people who work on climate change is unacceptable," she told AFP news agency.
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And we're off to the races.

PM Justin Trudeau calls Canadian general election for 21 October
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called a federal election for 21 October.

Opinion polls are indicating it will be a tough race for Mr Trudeau, who is seeking a second term in office.

The campaign is expected to focus on issues of affordability, the economy and climate issues.
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Oh boy.

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Oh boy, again.

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Has Trudeau done anything since entering politics that would be considered following a racist agenda? Or even showing insensitivity to any race, gender or ideology?
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The Trudeau scandals keep getting worse.



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hepcat wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:59 pm Has Trudeau done anything since entering politics that would be considered following a racist agenda? Or even showing insensitivity to any race, gender or ideology?
Doesn't matter. It's 2019. We've established the rules and he done broke 'em.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:26 pm
hepcat wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:59 pm Has Trudeau done anything since entering politics that would be considered following a racist agenda? Or even showing insensitivity to any race, gender or ideology?
Doesn't matter. It's 2019. We've established the rules and he done broke 'em.
That doesn't seem to have hurt Democratic leadership here in Virginia. Northam is still governor and Herring is still AG.
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hepcat wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:59 pm Has Trudeau done anything since entering politics that would be considered following a racist agenda? Or even showing insensitivity to any race, gender or ideology?
No, kind of the opposite. But a pundit on the CBC explained that actually makes him worse. As a politician, he's been "lecturing" (because he was a teacher, get it?) us about treating everyone equally regardless of race/gender/religion/whatever, but he's actually a hypocrite because he hasn't been an archetype of perfection at every moment during his own life.
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pr0ner wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:34 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:26 pm
hepcat wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:59 pm Has Trudeau done anything since entering politics that would be considered following a racist agenda? Or even showing insensitivity to any race, gender or ideology?
Doesn't matter. It's 2019. We've established the rules and he done broke 'em.
That doesn't seem to have hurt Democratic leadership here in Virginia. Northam is still governor and Herring is still AG.
Not saying Trudeau needs to resign either.
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BTW, is no one talking about how grabby he is in that West Point Grey photo? And is that a student or fellow staffer?
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Trudeau's coming up on an election. I've failed to follow Canadian politics, but does the scandal significantly hurt his chances?

His past behavior is privileged and gross, although I appreciate his willingness to apologize* and condemn it.

In the best of all worlds, this exposure would cause a national leader to meaningfully compensate and make amends by way of policy, appointments, and the bully pulpit. Any sign that that will happen?

Any sign that his opponent would do better?

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Canadians would have to revolt against his party and deny it a majority in Parliament for Trudeau to not be PM again. I don't know if that would happen.
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Oh for f's sake, wtf Trudeau? Goodness what a colossal display of repeated bad behavior on his part. I grew up in the 70s-80s and never once saw black face, has anyone here even once seen it in the wild? I just don't think someone of his age has any defense that it was just part of the times. Ugh.
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The life of privilege runs a couple decades behind.
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I was born in 69 and the only black face I ever saw was in the old black and white movies / tv shows.
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Daehawk wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:50 pm I was born in 69 and the only black face I ever saw was in the old black and white movies / tv shows.
Blackface bullshit was apparently a staple of frat parties at Southern universities (or just conservative frats nationwide) well into the 80s and 90s. I remember something embarrassing erupting at Michigan when I was a grad student circa 1994.
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A propos...

Everyone should listen to the 3rd episode of the 1619 Podcast (web version here), which does an amazing job of situating blackface performance in the history of American popular culture.

tl;dr: Blackface minstrelsy *is* American popular music through most of the 19th and into the 20th century precisely because of America's tortured relationship to slavery and racism. It continues far longer than most of us like to imagine. The real antidote and refutation comes only with Motown in the 1960s.
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We should just assume everyone born before 2010 has a photo of them in blackface somewhere out there and move on.
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Enough wrote: I grew up in the 70s-80s and never once saw black face, has anyone here even once seen it in the wild?
I had a group of friends in college that dressed as four cockroaches and a can a Raid for one Halloween. The cockroaches had six legs, a sort of shelled back, and painted their faces brown. Obviously they didn’t all intend it to be a racist thing, but I remember them being yelled at on the street for wearing blackface. They hadn’t even thought of that at the time, but I’m sure looking back on it now they probably realize they were being naive.
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hepcat wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:13 pm We should just assume everyone born before 2010 has a photo of them in blackface somewhere out there and move on.
We just need to bring in consultants to help politicians with this.
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Blackface must not be controversial enough among the Trump Lovers in my office. This morning, they are telling each other that the real issue is Trudeau is the secret love child of Fidel Castro.
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On the Conservative side of the spectrum, they already hate Trudeau just for existing -- being his father's son is the truly unforgivable sin. Where this will hurt the Liberals, if it does, is in peeling support on the left away and toward the NDP. Dividing the left/center vote between the NDP and Liberals is pretty much always the Conservative path to power.
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