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NBA exec supports Hong Kong protestors, China protests, NBA backs down, then NBA grows a pair after anger is expressed in the US:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/media/nb ... index.html

Just a few days later, a Hong Kong resident playing in a Hearthstone tournament is banned by Blizzard and all of his winnings are confiscated because he made mention of his support for Hong Kong in a post match interview:

https://www.businessinsider.com/blizzar ... ew-2019-10

Blizzard also cancelled contracts with the two interviewers though there is no evidence that they knew what was going to happen.

Apparently Blizzard hasn't learned from the NBA. At least some people are cancelling their WOW subscriptions because of this, but don't now how many or if it will have an impact.

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Trump is more interested in emulating China in this respect than punishing it.

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Also - the Hearthstone player should hire a lawyer.

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El Guapo wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:20 pm
Also - the Hearthstone player should hire a lawyer.
Blizzard's terms of service seem to pretty clearly let them do it.
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The Communist State of China no longer owns the Port of Long Beach https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... beach.html
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So authoritarianism is bad, right? You'll agree?
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stessier wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:24 pm
El Guapo wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:20 pm
Also - the Hearthstone player should hire a lawyer.
Blizzard's terms of service seem to pretty clearly let them do it.
ToS's don't seem to carry a lot of weight in the courts though.

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Toe wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:16 pm
stessier wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:24 pm
El Guapo wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:20 pm
Also - the Hearthstone player should hire a lawyer.
Blizzard's terms of service seem to pretty clearly let them do it.
ToS's don't seem to carry a lot of weight in the courts though.
Contracts of adhesion like click through licenses and terms of service do have a higher burden than a contract negotiated between peers.
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I love LeBron, but he stepped in it with his tweet taking Morey to task for being “uneducated” for making his statement in support of the Hong Kong protests. Not a good look, Bron. Not a good look.
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Daryl Morey
- bachelor's degree in computer science
- MBA from the MIT Sloan School of Management
- co-founded the annual MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference

LeBron James
- graduated high school
- tried to trademark "Taco Tuesday"

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A detailed look at the NBA/China timeline:
In the ordinary setting, the commissioner laid out the extraordinary situation, spending 10 to 15 minutes, according to a source present, appearing "vulnerable and transparent" as he detailed the issues and challenges facing the league.

He expressed to the players that the best thing for the league would be for the Nets and Lakers to become ambassadors for the sport, to show a positive front and face the questions that would come from the throng of nearly 200 reporters set to descend upon the hotel in mere hours. One of the league's core values is freedom of expression, Silver said. "It's what you guys stand for." And to not speak, he said, could lead to criticism for staying silent.

Silver opened the floor. James raised his hand.

His question was related to Morey -- and the commissioner's handling of the Rockets' GM. James, to paraphrase, told Silver that he knew that if a player caused the same type of uproar with something he said or tweeted, the player wouldn't be able to skate on it. There would be some type of repercussion. So, James wanted to know, what was Silver going to do about it in Morey's case?

Silver pushed back, reminding the players that the league never doled out discipline when they publicly criticized President Donald Trump. Morey was exercising the same liberty when he challenged China. Regardless of the financial fallout of one versus the other, that's not what should matter. Silver might have disliked the ramifications of Morey's tweet, but he would defend the right to say it.

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The semi-autonomous Chinese province’s leader, Carrie Lam, had initially proposed the bill in February to resolve a case involving a man wanted for murder in Taiwan who could not be sent to face charges because there was no extradition agreement.
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Now, after assurances from Ms Lam in September that the bill would be scrapped in the next meeting of the state’s legislative council, it has been formally withdrawn by Secretary for Security John Lee.
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But despite having now met what was the central demand of protestors when their demonstrations began in March, it is unlikely the move will deter further conflict.

The goals of the movement have shifted since the first protests in March to securing independence from China and the resignation of Ms Lam. Action is frequently accompanied by the chant “five demands, not one less”, in reference to the possible removal of the bill.
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Citing people briefed on the deliberations, the Financial Times reported that, if given the blessing of Beijing’s Xi Jinping, a successor to Ms Lam could be installed in March to see out the remained of her term, which is due to end in 2022.

Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying has since said the plans were a political rumour with ulterior motives.

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A Chinese team has been kicked out of its own Military World Games after other countries alerted judges to "extensive cheating" by the hosts.

Originally the Chinese athletes had taken the first, second and fourth places in the women's middle-distance orienteering competition, as well as second place in the men's, during the race on Sunday, according to a statement by the International Orienteering Federation (IOF).

But after a complaint by six European countries, including Russia and France, judges discovered that Chinese runners had been assisted by local spectators. This included onlookers placing markings and preparing special paths in the terrain for Chinese athletes, which only those competitors were aware of.

The Chinese team was banned from taking part in the long-distance orienteering competition, according to the IOF.
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Like the Olympics, the Military World Games are held every four years. The inaugural competition was held in Rome in 1995 and this is China's first time hosting the event, which will continue until October 30.
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Among the events are swimming, parachuting, orienteering and wrestling. So far, China is substantially leading on the medal tally, with twice as many gold medals as nearest competitor Russia.

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Hong Kong is in a recession, as five months of protests send tourism and retail numbers plunging.

The Asian financial hub is expected to report negative economic growth on Thursday, which means Hong Kong is facing "a technical recession," or two consecutive quarters of economic decline, Paul Chan, Hong Kong's financial secretary, said in a blog post Sunday.

Exports for the three months that ended in September plummeted more than 7% compared to the same period a year earlier, Chan said. That's the largest quarterly drop in nearly a decade, he added.

Chan said the city also may not reach its forecasted growth of between 0% and 1% for all of 2019.

Hong Kong's economy has been hit hard by the one-two punch of the US-China trade war and China's economic slowdown. But those problems have been compounded by the protests, to which there seems to be no end in sight.

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A story from a few months ago I missed:

China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes
The organs of members of marginalized groups detained in Chinese prison camps are being forcefully harvested — sometimes when patients are still alive, an international tribunal sitting in London has concluded.

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The Chinese government announced Wednesday that it would revoke the press credentials of three Wall Street Journal reporters, the largest expulsion of overseas media from the country in more than three decades.

Speaking at a press briefing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said the expulsion was due to an opinion piece published by the US news organization on February 3, entitled "China is the real sick man of Asia."

"The editors used such a racially discriminatory title, triggering indignation and condemnation among the Chinese people and the international community," Geng said.

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Off topic: Yesterday the newspaper carrier accidentally left me a Wall Street Journal instead of my daily Boston Globe. My, what a difference reading right-leaning news instead of a left-leaning paper makes. Even though neither outlet is extreme in its bias, I hope that doesn't happen again! :D

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Isgrimnur wrote:CNN
The Chinese government announced Wednesday that it would revoke the press credentials of three Wall Street Journal reporters, the largest expulsion of overseas media from the country in more than three decades.

Speaking at a press briefing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said the expulsion was due to an opinion piece published by the US news organization on February 3, entitled "China is the real sick man of Asia."

"The editors used such a racially discriminatory title, triggering indignation and condemnation among the Chinese people and the international community," Geng said.
Not a fan of press censorship but if one looks at China's history in regards to it's relationship with the big colonial powers that's a pretty inflammatory headline.

But I'm sure China was happy to have an
"excuse" to expel some meddlesome journalists.
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Isgrimnur wrote:CNN
The Chinese government announced Wednesday that it would revoke the press credentials of three Wall Street Journal reporters, the largest expulsion of overseas media from the country in more than three decades.

Speaking at a press briefing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said the expulsion was due to an opinion piece published by the US news organization on February 3, entitled "China is the real sick man of Asia."

"The editors used such a racially discriminatory title, triggering indignation and condemnation among the Chinese people and the international community," Geng said.
Not a fan of press censorship but if one looks at China's history in regards to it's relationship with the big colonial powers that's a pretty inflammatory headline.

But I'm sure China was happy to have an
"excuse" to expel some meddlesome journalists.
The real reason for the flare up is right in the article. Otherwise China waited two weeks to decide to expel these guys. Coincidence? Maybe but not likely.
Wednesday's move comes less than one day after United States officials announced they would be treating five major Chinese state-run media companies as effective extensions of the Chinese government.

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Kudos to PM Boris Johnson for doing a phenomenally decent thing that'll likely be overlooked amongst all the current nihilistic violent chaos:

Boris Johnson says 3m people in Hong Kong will get path to British citizenship
Telegraph.co.uk wrote:PM offered to make what he says would be one of the "biggest changes" in the history of the British visa system

Boris Johnson is ready to open the door to nearly three million Hong Kong citizens if China imposes a new security law that critics say would rob the territory of its autonomy.

The Prime Minister, writing in The Times, has offered to make what he says would be one of the "biggest changes" in the history of the British visa system to allow 2.85 million Hong Kong citizens the chance of fully-fledged citizenship.

The move, which represents a dramatic escalation in the stand-off between the UK and China, would put Hongkongers "on the route to citizenship", said the Conservative Party leader.

China's ceremonial legislature, the National People's Congress, endorsed a security law for Hong Kong earlier this week that has strained relations with the UK and the US.

The law will alter the territory's mini-constitution, or Basic Law, to require its government to enforce measures to be decided later by Chinese leaders.

Critics have said the law erodes the "one country, two systems" framework that promised Hong Kong freedoms not found in mainland China for 50 years.

Protesters have taken to the streets in Hong Kong to demonstrate , despite coronavirus social distancing restrictions still being in place.

Mr Johnson said the national security law would breach the treaty between China and the UK and would "dramatically erode" Hong Kong's autonomy.

If China chooses to go ahead with its changes for the island, the PM said he would effectively upgrade the status of British National (Overseas) passports, which 350,000 people in Hong Kong hold and 2.5 million are eligible to apply for, to grant immigration rights beyond the current six month limit.
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That is a fundamentally decent and courageous thing to do. Good on him!

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China’s foreign ministry has accused Britain of “gross interference” in the country’s affairs after Boris Johnson said he would offer millions of Hong Kong residents a path to UK citizenship if Beijing pushed ahead with a controversial security law for the city.

The ministry’s spokesman Zhao Lijian told Britain to “step back … otherwise there will be consequences” and said China had made “serious representations” to London over its offer to holders of British national (overseas) passports.

Although pro-democracy politicians and protesters in Hong Kong welcomed Britain’s offer, most said they would prefer international efforts to focus also on protection for the city – in the form perhaps of sanctions against China or officials in Beijing – and not just on providing sanctuary for those who want to flee.
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There are also concerns that the offer excludes the city’s youth, who have been at the forefront of the year-long protest movement, because the BNO passports are issued only to people born before the 1997 end of British colonial rule.
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Britain’s position is based on the joint declaration between the two countries, which paved the way for the handover of Hong Kong in 1997 and promised the city 50 years of autonomy from that date, with its rights and freedoms protected.

The agreement was registered with the UN, and the UK considers it a binding international treaty; Beijing now argues that as soon as the handover was complete, it effectively became void.

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A 13-ton shipment of beauty products such as weaves suspected to have been made out of human hair was seized on Wednesday by US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers at the Port of New York/Newark.

According to the CPB, the shipment originated in Xinjiang, China, signaling potential human rights abuses of forced labor and imprisonment.
The US State Department estimates that over one million Uyghurs have been detained in a massive network of internment camps in Xinjiang, where they are reportedly "subjected to torture, cruel and inhumane treatment such as physical and sexual abuse, forced labor, and death."
In addition to political indoctrination, former detainees have told CNN that they experienced sleep deprivation, lack of food and forced injections.
This is the second time this year that the CBP has seized products from China suspected to have been made from prisoner's hair.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/china ... index.html

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I'm sure that there are other factors, but I can't help but feel that Xi is trolling Trump here, just a little.

Hong Kong postpones elections for a year 'over virus concerns'
The Hong Kong government has postponed September's parliamentary elections by a year, saying it is necessary amid a rise in coronavirus infections.

Hong Kong is currently experiencing a spike in Covid-19 infections, and reported 121 new cases on Friday.

However, the opposition has accused the government of using the pandemic as a pretext to stop people from voting.

On Thursday, the government banned 12 pro-democracy candidates from running in the elections.

Opposition activists had hoped to obtain a majority in the Legislative Council (LegCo) in September's poll, capitalising on anger at Beijing's imposition of a controversial national security law in Hong Kong, and fears that the territory's freedoms are being eroded.

Pro-democracy candidates had made unprecedented gains in last year's district council elections, winning 17 out of 18 councils.

Chief Executive Carrie Lam said she would invoke emergency powers to postpone the elections, calling it the "most difficult decision I've made over the past seven months".

"This postponement is entirely made based on public safety reasons, there were no political considerations," she said.
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