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Age is probably what's going to prevent him from being elected, same problem with Biden. Remove 15 years from any of them and they'd be perfect candidate.

In any case, as long as Trump isn't re-elected it'll be fine, you can't do any worse (I think?)
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Vorret wrote: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:15 am
In any case, as long as Trump isn't re-elected it'll be fine, you can't do any worse (I think?)
Ssh! We don't want America to take that as a challenge.

And yeah, I think it's possible we could find someone worse than Trump:
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Thankfully Roy's horse won't fit through the WH doors, so we're safe.
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I hope I didn't jinx anything :P
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Defiant wrote: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:22 am
Vorret wrote: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:15 am
In any case, as long as Trump isn't re-elected it'll be fine, you can't do any worse (I think?)
Ssh! We don't want America to take that as a challenge.

And yeah, I think it's possible we could find someone worse than Trump:
Spoiler:
eg., Roy Moore
I was thinking the Toughest Sheriff in 'Merica© might be worse. And at 86 he has even that much more experience than Biden and Bernie.
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Vorret wrote: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:15 am In any case, as long as Trump isn't re-elected it'll be fine, you can't do any worse (I think?)
Hold our beer.
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Florida Democrats are denouncing Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders for refusing to call Venezuelan strongman Nicolas Maduro a dictator — a politically explosive issue in the nation’s biggest swing state.

Sanders also would not say whether he considered Venezuela’s assembly leader, Juan Guaidó, as the nation’s interim president, which is the position of the United States and a majority of Latin American countries European countries.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... ro-1179636
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That's classic Bernie: 21st-century economic Leftism spoiled by 20th-century political Leftism.
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Like that isn't true for every national politician under the sun.
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Maybe not Ted Cruz.
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Trent Steel wrote: Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:48 pm Maybe not Ted Cruz.
BAM! Except in Ted Cruz's case they may want to spread the good news.
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And yet Cruz, one of the least likeable republicans in existence defeated democratic golden boy O'Rourke.

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So this is a thing that happened on a Fox News "town hall."



Not the response Fox was looking for.
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Kraken wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:19 pm So this is a thing that happened on a Fox News "town hall."



Not the response Fox was looking for.
Why isn't that the predictable response? Yes, it's a Fox News town hall, but it's also a Bernie Sanders town hall. You figure odds are that the room's going to be evenly divided on that question at best.
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Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.

The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
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Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
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Kraken wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.

The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
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Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
This is weird. "Sanders has 20% of the primary vote, therefore his coalition is essential and must be listened to". I mean, I guess, but...isn't that also true of the other 80%? Why isn't it the case that the Democrats must listen to Biden's larger coalition? Warren has passed Sanders in a lot of polls...is her coalition uniquely important and must be listened to?
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:30 am
Kraken wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.

The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
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Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
This is weird. "Sanders has 20% of the primary vote, therefore his coalition is essential and must be listened to". I mean, I guess, but...isn't that also true of the other 80%? Why isn't it the case that the Democrats must listen to Biden's larger coalition? Warren has passed Sanders in a lot of polls...is her coalition uniquely important and must be listened to?
Sandernistas have the fire in the belly. You can't afford to lose them. Bernie won't be the nominee, but his agenda (minus the actual revolution) had better be. Joe Biden's support is all "I know him" and "he's not Trump." Where's Biden fever?
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Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:50 am
El Guapo wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:30 am
Kraken wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:39 pm Been a while since we checked in on Bernie, who's stubbornly polling second in a large field. Democrats need to reckon with him, and they're still not doing a great job of it. This fellow at Salon states the conundrum well, even if he doesn't have a solution.
Anyway, the fact that Sanders appears to have around one-fifth of the Democratic vote locked down is not the important part. The important part is how he has done that and who those people are, and the fact that Democrats probably can’t win without Sanders’ issues and Sanders’ voters — and that if they try to ignore those issues and snow those voters, they will definitely pay the price sooner or later.

The important part is, honestly, really obvious part and we don’t say it enough: Bernie Sanders and his supporters have driven the Democratic Party to confront issues and policies and internal conflicts it had deliberately avoided for an entire generation. He may never become the Democratic nominee or the president — indeed, both of those outcomes remain unlikely. But his legacy will go beyond the inevitable renaming of the Burlington airport and whatever federal building exists in Vermont. He has dragged universal health insurance and a living wage and the crushing unfairness of student debt and the Green New Deal and the general rapaciousness of late-stage vulture capitalism into mainstream political discourse, against the vigorous pushback of nearly the entire elite class — and has made clear that most Americans agree with him, and not with them.
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Bernie Sanders has built and nourished an important, likely transformative, political movement. He stands for critically important policies that the Democratic Party must engage, even though it conspicuously doesn’t want to. He represents a rising progressive generation that it desperately needs — but that also threatens the party’s governing assumptions and institutions on a fundamental level. Democrats almost certainly won’t nominate him, but they can’t possibly win without him. Leading Democrats and their supporters in the media — guardians of a regular-order politics that no longer exists — keep hoping that if they close their eyes Bernie Sanders will go away. It’s not working.
This is weird. "Sanders has 20% of the primary vote, therefore his coalition is essential and must be listened to". I mean, I guess, but...isn't that also true of the other 80%? Why isn't it the case that the Democrats must listen to Biden's larger coalition? Warren has passed Sanders in a lot of polls...is her coalition uniquely important and must be listened to?
Sandernistas have the fire in the belly. You can't afford to lose them. Bernie won't be the nominee, but his agenda (minus the actual revolution) had better be. Joe Biden's support is all "I know him" and "he's not Trump." Where's Biden fever?
There's not a lot of data to support the idea that Biden has less enthusiastic supporters. Among other things, he polls about as well as Sanders in terms of the number of people who say that they "strongly" support him (vs. "somewhat support") and does better among voters who say that they are paying a lot of attention to the election (whereas Sanders actually loses support among more engaged voters).

[As an aside, the article notes that Biden may have a bit of an issue particular to Iowa, however].

On top of that, if the idea is that the Democrats need to cater especially to Bernie's supporters, even factoring in that they're maybe 20% of the Democratic primary electorate, that's not factoring in the extent to which doing so is going to cost you votes / supporters among the other 80% (to say nothing of independents and Republican-leaning voters). And, not to harp on this again, but 80% is *more than* 20%, so it seems like maybe the better idea is to cater to the larger groups of voters? No matter what you do you're going to lose some support among whatever groups you are catering less to, but intuitively it seems better to start with the larger pool and go from there.

Lastly, the article's idea that because Bernie's 2016 platform has been largely adopted by the Democrats in 2020, it's particularly important to cater to his supporters now....what's the logic there? First, it seems like largely adopting his 2016 platform mean that they have *already* catered to Bernie's supporters. Second, ironically it seems like adopting his platform makes it *less* important to cater specifically to his supporters. Now anyone who wants Bernie's 2016 platform can pick among maybe a dozen candidates. And even if Biden's the nominee, odds are that you're going to get at 60% - 70% at least of the policy outcomes of a Sanders administration.
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Sanders may have some decent points but his delivery doesn’t reach far beyond the old hippies and the youngsters. They should be the faithful anyway. Sanders feeds the “Democrats are Socialist” narrative that Trump NEEDS to keep his “Good at Business” relevant.

Democrats should pick up themes of selling “old Republicans are corrupt and sold the people out to business.” There are better ways to deliver the message and solution.
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Zarathud wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:31 pm Sanders may have some decent points but his delivery doesn’t reach far beyond the old hippies and the youngsters. They should be the faithful anyway. Sanders feeds the “Democrats are Socialist” narrative that Trump NEEDS to keep his “Good at Business” relevant.

Democrats should pick up themes of selling “old Republicans are corrupt and sold the people out to business.” There are better ways to deliver the message and solution.
If Sanders had approached this campaign by building bridges with the rest of the Democratic Party, I think he could easily have become the front-runner by now. Instead it's an "I'm right now everyone needs to get on board" approach.
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I keep expecting all the young anti-Semites in the democratic party to suddenly realize that Bernie Sanders is Jewish. :think:
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Or all of the racist white nationalists in the Republican Party to realize Melania and Ivana were immigrants, Ivanka is Jewish and married into a Jewish family.
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Zarathud wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:00 pm racist white
A few freaks on the fringe versus "actual" sitting representatives. :wink:
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em2nought wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:34 pm I keep expecting all the young anti-Semites in the democratic party to suddenly realize that Bernie Sanders is Jewish. :think:
what is the percentage of 'young anti-Semites' do you suppose identifies the Democratic party? and what percentage of the same do you believe comprises the Republican party? just throw out the numbers you feel are accurate in your head.
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em2nought wrote:
Zarathud wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:00 pm racist white
A few freaks on the fringe versus "actual" sitting representatives. :wink:
More like the “actual” party strategy.
In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.
And then in 2008 Obama was elected and the Republican Party/Tea Party went racist again.
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hitbyambulance wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:11 pm
em2nought wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:34 pm I keep expecting all the young anti-Semites in the democratic party to suddenly realize that Bernie Sanders is Jewish. :think:
what is the percentage of 'young anti-Semites' do you suppose identifies the Democratic party? and what percentage of the same do you believe comprises the Republican party? just throw out the numbers you feel are accurate in your head.
6% anti-Semite democrats vs 3% racist white RINOs(to include anti-Semite) in my head. :think:
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I keep expecting Republicans with higher than a 4th grade education to realize they’re supporting Donald Trump, but I may have overestimated their numbers.

Also, 3 percent isn’t 75 percent...which just reinforces my belief that i overestimated.
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Zarathud wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:44 pm
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Zarathud wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:00 pm racist white
A few freaks on the fringe versus "actual" sitting representatives. :wink:
More like the “actual” party strategy.
In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.
And then in 2008 Obama was elected and the Republican Party/Tea Party went racist again.
Heh, when I read that I assumed we were going to start a list beginning with none other than Steve King who has been in office for what 15 years? Then I remembered the marching orders.
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Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:50 am Sandernistas have the fire in the belly. You can't afford to lose them. Bernie won't be the nominee, but his agenda (minus the actual revolution) had better be. Joe Biden's support is all "I know him" and "he's not Trump." Where's Biden fever?
Leading Sanders and the Democratic field? :)
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Grifman wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:45 pm
Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:50 am Sandernistas have the fire in the belly. You can't afford to lose them. Bernie won't be the nominee, but his agenda (minus the actual revolution) had better be. Joe Biden's support is all "I know him" and "he's not Trump." Where's Biden fever?
Leading Sanders and the Democratic field? :)
Don't get too used to that. :)
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em2nought wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:45 pm

A few freaks on the fringe The "actual" President versus "actual" sitting representatives. :wink:

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Bernie acknowledges a scoop by the Onion: Nobody was supposed to find out about this.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) jokingly shared a satirical article on Tuesday that claimed he was holding a "secret campaign meeting" with 15,000 "working class donors."

The article from the satirical news site The Onion jokingly confirmed that the imaginary attendees were shuttled on luxurious "city buses" to the event, and sipped on "fountain drinks" with the senator.

"This damning footage shows Sen. Sanders clandestinely mingling with thousands of representatives from the nursing, food service, and public education sectors, many of whom were apparently chauffeured to the event aboard city buses and enjoyed fountain drinks upon arriving,” reads the article.

Sanders shared the article on Twitter, writing: "No one was supposed to find out about this."
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Kraken wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:29 pm Bernie acknowledges a scoop by the Onion: Nobody was supposed to find out about this.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) jokingly shared a satirical article on Tuesday that claimed he was holding a "secret campaign meeting" with 15,000 "working class donors."

The article from the satirical news site The Onion jokingly confirmed that the imaginary attendees were shuttled on luxurious "city buses" to the event, and sipped on "fountain drinks" with the senator.

"This damning footage shows Sen. Sanders clandestinely mingling with thousands of representatives from the nursing, food service, and public education sectors, many of whom were apparently chauffeured to the event aboard city buses and enjoyed fountain drinks upon arriving,” reads the article.

Sanders shared the article on Twitter, writing: "No one was supposed to find out about this."
:lol:
I love Bernie's take on voting for Biden if he's the nominee:

"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"

Me too Bernie... Me too.
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Drazzil wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:36 pm
Kraken wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:29 pm Bernie acknowledges a scoop by the Onion: Nobody was supposed to find out about this.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) jokingly shared a satirical article on Tuesday that claimed he was holding a "secret campaign meeting" with 15,000 "working class donors."

The article from the satirical news site The Onion jokingly confirmed that the imaginary attendees were shuttled on luxurious "city buses" to the event, and sipped on "fountain drinks" with the senator.

"This damning footage shows Sen. Sanders clandestinely mingling with thousands of representatives from the nursing, food service, and public education sectors, many of whom were apparently chauffeured to the event aboard city buses and enjoyed fountain drinks upon arriving,” reads the article.

Sanders shared the article on Twitter, writing: "No one was supposed to find out about this."
:lol:
I love Bernie's take on voting for Bernie if he's the nominee:

"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"

Me too Bernie... Me too.
Gawd... If you're going to double-post, I'm going to double-reply.

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What The Fuck?

I assume you're quoting viral Bernie Bro idiocy rather than something Sanders actually said.

You and (your version of) Sanders believe that someone has to be high to vote for a moderate Dem WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN??

"Scumbag"? Really? What's the definition of a scumbag when DONALD TRUMP IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN??

Are you stupid? Don't be stupid. You don't have to be stupid.

Jesus. Wake up. Grow up. This shit was the problem in 2016 and it's the problem in 2020.
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Drazzil wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:36 pm
I love Bernie's take on voting for Bernie if he's the nominee:

"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"

Me too Bernie... Me too.
You are quoting Vennett Weiss. Some guy from Newburgh New York.

You need to learn how to understand articles better, I think.
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Holman wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:57 pm
Drazzil wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:36 pm
Kraken wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:29 pm Bernie acknowledges a scoop by the Onion: Nobody was supposed to find out about this.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) jokingly shared a satirical article on Tuesday that claimed he was holding a "secret campaign meeting" with 15,000 "working class donors."

The article from the satirical news site The Onion jokingly confirmed that the imaginary attendees were shuttled on luxurious "city buses" to the event, and sipped on "fountain drinks" with the senator.

"This damning footage shows Sen. Sanders clandestinely mingling with thousands of representatives from the nursing, food service, and public education sectors, many of whom were apparently chauffeured to the event aboard city buses and enjoyed fountain drinks upon arriving,” reads the article.

Sanders shared the article on Twitter, writing: "No one was supposed to find out about this."
:lol:
I love Bernie's take on voting for Bernie if he's the nominee:

"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"

Me too Bernie... Me too.
Gawd... If you're going to double-post, I'm going to double-reply.

You're high, right?
What The Fuck?

I assume you're quoting viral Bernie Bro idiocy rather than something Sanders actually said.

You and (your version of) Sanders believe that someone has to be high to vote for a moderate Dem WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN??

"Scumbag"? Really? What's the definition of a scumbag when DONALD TRUMP IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN??

Are you stupid? Don't be stupid. You don't have to be stupid.

Jesus. Wake up. Grow up. This shit was the problem in 2016 and it's the problem in 2020.
Holman? I didn't say I wasen't going to vote for Biden if he is the nominee. Take a breath. Breathe. You're angry, and no I think I'm quoting actual Bernie. Regardless of whether he actually said it is actually inmeterial. The problem is that a lot of people of a certain age group are getting terribly fed up with a system that has *crushed* them. When they vote, the system crushes them, when they *don't* vote, the system crushes them. Putting aside the fact that a lot of people are so time stressed that they can't engage civically, let alone vote.

You're screaming pissed at me for nothing. Go be pissed at the people who created the conditions that swept Trump into power.
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Drazzil wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:00 pm Go be pissed at the people who created the conditions that swept Trump into power.
Um. You voted for Trump - and …
…and now listen to you.
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Unagi wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:03 pm
Drazzil wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:00 pm Go be pissed at the people who created the conditions that swept Trump into power.
Um. You voted for Trump - and …
…and now listen to you.
Yep. I voted for Trump, because Hillary offered me nothing. Enough Bernie supporters probabally tipped Trump over the top too. Annnnd YET the argued frontrunner to be the Dem nominee is basically Hillary 2.0. A washington insider who praises Republicans.

Whose fault is that?
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Unagi wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:52 pm
Drazzil wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:36 pm
I love Bernie's take on voting for Bernie if he's the nominee:

"If I lived in a swing state, I might get piss-drunk and go in there. I'd take all types of painkillers first and make sure I have a resuscitating machine with me. And then I'd flip the switch for that scumbag"

Me too Bernie... Me too.
You are quoting Vennett Weiss. Some guy from Newburgh New York.

You need to learn how to understand articles better, I think.
Yep. You're right. The image of Bernie having to get piss drunk and doped up, defibulator in tow to be able to vote for Biden just cracked me up.
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