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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by malchior » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:45 pm

El Guapo wrote:
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FWIW the Globe also did a pretty thorough debunking of the claim that she advanced her career by claiming Native American heritage.
I like the idea that claiming native american heritage provides a quantifiable advantage for anything at all in this country. It'd be nice if that was the case.

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Holman » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:16 pm

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She's running for president of the United States. We aren't measuring the veracity of her claims for truth. We're contemplating character and whether we like her or not.

I'm telling you that I think it has as much to do with her using situations to her advantage and then doubling down when it's clearly irrelevant as it does with her being a woman.

I give her the giant rolley eyes way more than I do Biden. I'm completely dismissive of Sanders so can't do a fair comparison.
Name the five worst things you think about her, then list Trump's top ten best qualities. Compare.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Kraken » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:33 pm

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Michael Bloomberg is filing to enter the Democratic primary.

This should be a shitshow of huge and unwanted proportions.

[Initially I overreacted upon seeing wording elsewhere that Bloomberg was preparing a third-party run.]
Bloomberg sees Biden foundering and thinks he can play the white knight for the moderates. Joe's failing at fundraising and Bloomberg doesn't have to do that. At a time when income inequality is a top issue, a 77-year-old billionaire centrist is the last thing the party needs. Maybe if Bloomberg knocks Biden out of the running it will open a surge path for Buttigieg or another second-tier candidate.

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Drazzil » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:45 pm

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Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:33 pm
Holman wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:36 pm
Michael Bloomberg is filing to enter the Democratic primary.

This should be a shitshow of huge and unwanted proportions.

[Initially I overreacted upon seeing wording elsewhere that Bloomberg was preparing a third-party run.]
Bloomberg sees Biden foundering and thinks he can play the white knight for the moderates. Joe's failing at fundraising and Bloomberg doesn't have to do that. At a time when income inequality is a top issue, a 77-year-old billionaire centrist is the last thing the party needs. Maybe if Bloomberg knocks Biden out of the running it will open a surge path for Buttigieg or another second-tier candidate.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Holman » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:45 pm

Kraken wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:33 pm
Holman wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:36 pm
Michael Bloomberg is filing to enter the Democratic primary.

This should be a shitshow of huge and unwanted proportions.

[Initially I overreacted upon seeing wording elsewhere that Bloomberg was preparing a third-party run.]
Bloomberg sees Biden foundering and thinks he can play the white knight for the moderates. Joe's failing at fundraising and Bloomberg doesn't have to do that. At a time when income inequality is a top issue, a 77-year-old billionaire centrist is the last thing the party needs. Maybe if Bloomberg knocks Biden out of the running it will open a surge path for Buttigieg or another second-tier candidate.
Biden is so popular (and Bloomberg so Meh) that Bloomberg can't possibly think he's going to knock Biden out. The more likely theory is that he has reason to think Biden will be exiting the race.

Even so, now that Pete has shifted from the progressive to the centrist lane, Bloomberg can't really believe that he'll somehow inherit Biden's supporters by default.

I really suspect that we just have a very elderly MoneyPerson deciding that he has one last chance to give his life meaning.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Defiant » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:53 pm

Bloomberg would have almost no shot of winning the nomination at this point (although if he did manage to get it, he would do better against Trump than a lot of the other candidates). My guess is he's getting in to attack Sanders and Warren.

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Defiant » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:02 pm

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I really suspect that we just have a very elderly MoneyPerson deciding that he has one last chance to give his life meaning.
I would think his Beyond Carbon campaign to close coal fire plants that has already helped close down half the coal plants (and plans to help close down the remaining ones) has already given "his life meaning".

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Holman » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:48 pm

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Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:45 pm


I really suspect that we just have a very elderly MoneyPerson deciding that he has one last chance to give his life meaning.
I would think his Beyond Carbon campaign to close coal fire plants that has already helped close down half the coal plants (and plans to help close down the remaining ones) has already given "his life meaning".
If that's his meaningful issue, shouldn't he be pouring resources into it and other green initiatives rather than into a farcical vanity campaign for the White House?
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Defiant » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:14 pm

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If that's his meaningful issue, shouldn't he be pouring resources into it and other green initiatives rather than into a farcical vanity campaign for the White House?
He recently donated a half a billion to it, so I think it's good (especially in comparison to the "farcical" GND). And I don't think this is a vanity campaign (he wouldn't have waited so long if that were the case), but an issue one, to try to drive the campaign away from the far left that some have been pushing it for.

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Holman » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:33 pm

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If that's his meaningful issue, shouldn't he be pouring resources into it and other green initiatives rather than into a farcical vanity campaign for the White House?
He recently donated a half a billion to it, so I think it's good. And I don't think this is a vanity campaign (he wouldn't have waited so long if that were the case), but an issue one, to try to drive the campaign away from the far left that some have been pushing it for.
Bloomsberg is worth 53 billion dollars. Half a billion (less than 1% of his exploitable wealth) is of course a lot of money, but it's literally no burden on his life at all. If he were truly a climate crusader, he would do a *lot* more. So why isn't he? What's he doing with the rest of his money?

I'm disgusted with being expected to applaud billionaires for being billionaires, even when they toss the rest of the world a few crumbs. We're in too deep for that.

Trump has made the next election a Rubicon for outright Russian-style oligarchy. Billionaires trying to game the Democratic resistance can sit the fuck down.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Daehawk » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:36 pm

I must be alone in not even being able to imagine a President named Buttigieg . lol. Im a kid I know.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Defiant » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:45 pm

When government has been bumbling on the issue for decades and only seems to be getting worse with the joke of a "green new deal", yes, I will applaud anyone that actually gets shit done on it, regardless of how much resources it takes them to do it.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by El Guapo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:46 pm

Never underestimate the delusionality of rich people thinking that they can do anything. I think he really thinks that he has a real shot and that there's real demand for him in this race.

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by El Guapo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:47 pm

I will say that if nothing else, Bloomberg has prompted me to look up what the hell happened with Howard Schultz's run. Apparently he dropped out in September.

So that's good, at least.

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by noxiousdog » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:42 am

Holman wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:16 pm
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:41 pm
She's running for president of the United States. We aren't measuring the veracity of her claims for truth. We're contemplating character and whether we like her or not.

I'm telling you that I think it has as much to do with her using situations to her advantage and then doubling down when it's clearly irrelevant as it does with her being a woman.

I give her the giant rolley eyes way more than I do Biden. I'm completely dismissive of Sanders so can't do a fair comparison.
Name the five worst things you think about her, then list Trump's top ten best qualities. Compare.
The discussion is Warren vs. Sanders vs. Biden. I'd even vote for Sanders over Trump and he's crazy. Hell, I'd vote Ron Paul over Trump and he's crazier.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Blackhawk » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:26 am

I would vote for Nixon over Trump.
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Post by Jaymann » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:36 pm

I would vote for Reagan over Trump.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Blackhawk » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:59 pm

Fine. Nixon with Reagan as VP, with a guarantee of James Buchanan as Chief of Staff and Warren G. Harding as Secretary of State.

I'd still vote for it.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Defiant » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:09 pm

I would vote for Zombie Nixon or Zombie Reagan against Trump, even as they were chasing me to try to eat my brains.

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Exodor » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:38 pm

I'd vote for Cheney over Trump and I think Cheney is as close to evil as we've seen in the White House.

He's evil but he's not insane.

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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by Holman » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:25 pm

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When government has been bumbling on the issue for decades and only seems to be getting worse with the joke of a "green new deal", yes, I will applaud anyone that actually gets shit done on it, regardless of how much resources it takes them to do it.
Charity is good, but it can't change systems. Only government can do that.

The crisis is way beyond donations. It requires laws and regulations and strenuous political will. It requires a New Deal and a Marshall Plan and an Apollo Program all put together.

I'm pretty sure Bloomberg is running because he thinks Warren or Bernie or even Harris has a shot at weakening Wall Street's political power. If he's running for any other reason, he's not making it clear.
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Re: Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020?

Post by hepcat » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:55 pm

Joe Biden is told by a reporter that Trump is considering attending Russia’s Victory Day parade at Putin’s personal invitation. His reaction is fantastic. This should be on a constant loop.

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