Trump, during news conference in India, explains that he thinks Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg should recuse herself from cases involving him because she didn't support him in 2016. He also calls on Justice Sotomayor to recuse herself for an unspecified "inappropriate" statement.
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I'm plopping this here because he technically said it standing in a foreign country. Un-FUCKING-acceptable. Remember when attacking a domestic 'political' opponent from foreign soil was a breach of the norm? This is attacking the judiciary from foreign soil. Unbelievable.
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Just a other line crossed into the new normal. He's blazing a trail straight to a lesser standard.
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Holy shit, it’s worse than that. They’re both racist nationalists as John Oliver explains:Zarathud wrote:He is doing it because Trump’s ego is more important than being neutral in the India-Pakistani conflict. And Trump has hotels in India.
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In the past, Modi was barred from entering the U.S. due to his encouragement of anti-Muslim violence.
More anti-Muslim violence was going on simultaneous with POTUS' visit, where he praised Modi's record on religious freedom.
More anti-Muslim violence was going on simultaneous with POTUS' visit, where he praised Modi's record on religious freedom.
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"Biggest event they've ever had in India"
But sure, Indians think you're the GOAT.although Trump said with satisfaction that 125,000 people had turned out to see him, more than one third of the crowd appeared to leave before the end of his nearly 30-minute remarks, and another third was gone by the time Modi spoke after him.
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(The rally was likely not even the biggest Indian turnout for a US president: Dwight D. Eisenhower drew a crowd of 1 million during a 1959 visit to New Delhi, according to an Associated Press report at the time.)
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Heard some reports about the violence there. It started on the day of Trump's arrival. Some government officials were spouting "bad people on both sides" nonsense straight out of the Charlottesville aftermath. Modi has been sowing discord for years and the media is gobbling it up and regurgitating it. I'm not saying this is Trump's doing but it is straight out of his playbook. Again.Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:41 pm "Biggest event they've ever had in India"
But sure, Indians think you're the GOAT.although Trump said with satisfaction that 125,000 people had turned out to see him, more than one third of the crowd appeared to leave before the end of his nearly 30-minute remarks, and another third was gone by the time Modi spoke after him.
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(The rally was likely not even the biggest Indian turnout for a US president: Dwight D. Eisenhower drew a crowd of 1 million during a 1959 visit to New Delhi, according to an Associated Press report at the time.)
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I spent ~6 weeks in India last year. My experience is that hardcore Modi fans tend to be drawn to Trump. I was there with several other Americans and we were asked various questions about Trump. They were generally positive and curious about him. I'd say those folks greatly aligned with Hindi nationalists. There colleagues would talk about this in a similar way to how we talk about MAGATs. Except it was without the eye rolling because...they don't really do that. It is more midwestern passive aggressive to make the best comparison I can.
I happened to be in Bangalore when the 2019 Citizenship Act was passed. There was some disruption there but fairly limited. However, there was significant fighting between Muslim/Hindi segments in the northern cities. It paused and resumed when Trump came into town. It could just be a coincidence but I can't help but think they were related.
I happened to be in Bangalore when the 2019 Citizenship Act was passed. There was some disruption there but fairly limited. However, there was significant fighting between Muslim/Hindi segments in the northern cities. It paused and resumed when Trump came into town. It could just be a coincidence but I can't help but think they were related.
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I would think that if you're a big Modi fan / Hindu nationalist there would be a lot to like about Trump. At least insofar as both Trump and Modi partisans are not super thrilled about the existence and presence of Muslims.malchior wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:24 am I spent ~6 weeks in India last year. My experience is that hardcore Modi fans tend to be drawn to Trump. I was there with several other Americans and we were asked various questions about Trump. They were generally positive and curious about him. I'd say those folks greatly aligned with Hindi nationalists. There colleagues would talk about this in a similar way to how we talk about MAGATs. Except it was without the eye rolling because...they don't really do that. It is more midwestern passive aggressive to make the best comparison I can.
I happened to be in Bangalore when the 2019 Citizenship Act was passed. There was some disruption there but fairly limited. However, there was significant fighting between Muslim/Hindi segments in the northern cities. It paused and resumed when Trump came into town. It could just be a coincidence but I can't help but think they were related.
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It goes beyond that. But that is the 'hate engine' in their movement. They have similar authoritarian instinct. He promised to clean up their version of the swamp. He likewise hasn't done it and has embraced it. His government has focused a lot of effort on protecting the wealthy and pushing controls onto the poor (e.g pushing the poor into electronic commerce to clamp down on tax evasion and terrorism-related money laundering). That said, there is a decent amount of alignment in the political sphere that doesn't match up to the vast differences between our cultures that exist outside the political realm.
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I tried to link to the Irish Times source for this, but it's behind an unbeatable paywall. So here it is, copied from Facebook in its entirety. It's long.
April 25, 2020
By Fintan O’Toole
THE WORLD HAS LOVED, HATED AND ENVIED THE U.S. NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE PITY IT
April 25, 2020
By Fintan O’Toole
THE WORLD HAS LOVED, HATED AND ENVIED THE U.S. NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE PITY IT
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I read something similar out of Australia as well but couldn't find it. I suspect they thought this before the pandemic (and he says that to an extent) but the pandemic response and his daily briefings did as much if not more harm outside than people are letting on.
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This is an interesting look at how the rest of the world is trying to fill the void left by the abdication of American power.
SYDNEY — When Australia started pushing for a global inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, no other countries were on board, and officials had no idea how it would work or how harshly China might react.
Europe soon joined the effort anyway, moving to take up the idea with the World Health Organization later this month. And Australia, in its newfound role as global catalyst, has become both a major target of Chinese anger and the sudden leader of a push to bolster international institutions that the United States has abandoned under President Trump.
“We just want to know what happened so it doesn’t happen again,” Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Friday, describing his conversations with other nations.
Confronting a once-in-a-generation crisis, the world’s middle powers are urgently trying to revive the old norms of can-do multilateralism.
Countries in Europe and Asia are forging new bonds on issues like public health and trade, planning for a future built on what they see as the pandemic’s biggest lessons: that the risks of China’s authoritarian government can no longer be denied, and that the United States cannot be relied on to lead when it’s struggling to keep people alive and working, and its foreign policy is increasingly “America first.”
The middle-power dynamic may last only as long as the virus. But if it continues, it could offer an alternative to the decrees and demands of the world’s two superpowers. Beyond the bluster of Washington and Beijing, a fluid working group has emerged, with a rotating cast of leaders that has the potential to challenge the bullying of China, fill the vacuums left by America, and do what no lesser power could do on its own.
“Australia is resetting the terms of engagement so we have more strategic freedom of action, and in order to do that, you need to build a coalition of like-minded nations,” said Andrew Hastie, a backbencher in the Australian Parliament who leads its Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security.
“To act on the global stage as a middle power, you need to do it from a position of strength — that includes strength in numbers,” Hastie said.
Morrison has insisted that his call for a global inquiry is not directed at any one country, but all available evidence points to China as the birthplace of the pandemic, which means Australia could hardly have chosen a more sensitive subject for its leap onto the world stage.
China’s leaders have made clear that they see criticism of their initial response to the coronavirus — which included a coverup that allowed the contagion to spread — as a threat to Communist Party rule.
Even a fact-finding mission appears to be too much for China’s leadership. The country’s ambassador to Australia, Cheng Jingye, called the inquiry proposal — which China is expected to block at the WHO — a “dangerous” move that could lead to an economic boycott.
“If the mood is going from bad to worse,” he said, “people would think ‘Why should we go to such a country that is not so friendly to China?’ The tourists may have second thoughts.” He added that Chinese consumers might refuse to buy Australian wine and beef or to send their children to Australian universities.
The economic pain, if actually meted out, could be severe. China is Australia’s No. 1 export market, its largest source of international students, and its most valuable market for tourism and agricultural products. On Sunday, the country’s grain industry warned that China is threatening to place a hefty tariff on Australia’s barley exports in what some members of parliament are describing as “payback.”
Australian officials, however, are betting that China will remain a major customer, including for the coal and iron ore it needs to spring back to life post pandemic. And they are convinced that the Australian public will tolerate some Chinese punishment if it means relying less on a country that, according to polls, it had already distrusted — a negative view that is widely shared in Western Europe.
The frustrations have been building for years. Under President Xi Jinping, China’s hacking and intellectual property theft have increased.
In such situations, Australia would usually turn to America. For the seven decades after the end of World War II, the United States was seen as a defender of transparency and cooperation.
But relying on Washington for that kind of leadership seems impossible now. Much of the world views with disappointment and sadness an America laid low by the virus and Trump’s erratic response.
The president has shown little interest in working with any other country. He has said his administration is conducting its own investigation of China, but that move is widely seen as an effort to shift blame away from his own botched handling of the pandemic.
“Normally, however imperfectly, America would also have mobilized the world,” Kevin Rudd, a former Australian prime minister, wrote in a recent essay. “This time, in America’s absence, nobody did.”
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In the late- and then post-Cold War, the USA led in various initiatives (sometimes squandering that role, e.g. Iraq) but was always crucially supported by a varying range of specific parties in allied countries, most but not all of them in Europe.Kraken wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:25 pm This is an interesting look at how the rest of the world is trying to fill the void left by the abdication of American power.
The next Free World might consist of a range of specific global parties supported (variably, and when possible) by Democratic power in the USA.
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I had thought that Germany would take the lead, which would be...ironic. But I don't think the German people have the will to go down that path. I wonder if a real federation without a dominant leader will be too fractious to be effective.Holman wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:26 pmIn the late- and then post-Cold War, the USA led in various initiatives (sometimes squandering that role, e.g. Iraq) but was always crucially supported by a varying range of specific parties in allied countries, most but not all of them in Europe.Kraken wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:25 pm This is an interesting look at how the rest of the world is trying to fill the void left by the abdication of American power.
The next Free World might consist of a range of specific global parties supported (variably, and when possible) by Democratic power in the USA.
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It depends on what the Allies are defending.Kraken wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:14 pmI had thought that Germany would take the lead, which would be...ironic. But I don't think the German people have the will to go down that path. I wonder if a real federation without a dominant leader will be too fractious to be effective.Holman wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:26 pmIn the late- and then post-Cold War, the USA led in various initiatives (sometimes squandering that role, e.g. Iraq) but was always crucially supported by a varying range of specific parties in allied countries, most but not all of them in Europe.Kraken wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:25 pm This is an interesting look at how the rest of the world is trying to fill the void left by the abdication of American power.
The next Free World might consist of a range of specific global parties supported (variably, and when possible) by Democratic power in the USA.
Fighting Soviet communist influence was hard and dirty, but the lines were relatively clear. The new struggle is defending liberal democracy against those constituents of liberal democracy who prefer racism/nationalism. It's much harder.
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We will never have the same leadership role. Trust is easy to lose and hard to build. But as long as we are the 900-lb gorilla, we will have a prominent role.Holman wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:34 pmIt depends on what the Allies are defending.Kraken wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:14 pmI had thought that Germany would take the lead, which would be...ironic. But I don't think the German people have the will to go down that path. I wonder if a real federation without a dominant leader will be too fractious to be effective.Holman wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:26 pmIn the late- and then post-Cold War, the USA led in various initiatives (sometimes squandering that role, e.g. Iraq) but was always crucially supported by a varying range of specific parties in allied countries, most but not all of them in Europe.Kraken wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:25 pm This is an interesting look at how the rest of the world is trying to fill the void left by the abdication of American power.
The next Free World might consist of a range of specific global parties supported (variably, and when possible) by Democratic power in the USA.
Fighting Soviet communist influence was hard and dirty, but the lines were relatively clear. The new struggle is defending liberal democracy against those constituents of liberal democracy who prefer racism/nationalism. It's much harder.
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Trump to withdraw from Open Skies' arms control treaty'.
This is essentially one of the cornerstones of post-cold war nuclear deterrence strategy. I'll let General Hayden put in perspective below via @RadioFreeTom. FWIW - this has been rumored for some time but people have been pushing back on it throughout the IC and Congress passed legislation to restrain him from doing it before next inauguration. He is ignoring it. In any case, there is a hardcore faction of MAGATs who don't believe in any international treaties and goes back to priorities set by Bolton. This has no benefit for the US. This has been one of *our impositions* post-cold war on the former Soviet Union order. This only helps Putin.
This is essentially one of the cornerstones of post-cold war nuclear deterrence strategy. I'll let General Hayden put in perspective below via @RadioFreeTom. FWIW - this has been rumored for some time but people have been pushing back on it throughout the IC and Congress passed legislation to restrain him from doing it before next inauguration. He is ignoring it. In any case, there is a hardcore faction of MAGATs who don't believe in any international treaties and goes back to priorities set by Bolton. This has no benefit for the US. This has been one of *our impositions* post-cold war on the former Soviet Union order. This only helps Putin.
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All the work this country and its presidents did over the decades and 1 moron can just toss it away.
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Several morons actually. The GOP that backed him and the millions who "elected" him.
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Congresses passed legislation to stop this?
Did that get approved (veto proof) by the senate?
In this universe ?
Did that get approved (veto proof) by the senate?
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I found an in depth discussion about this on the lawfare blog from late last month. To boil it down the Trump administration is (or will) claim they have a constitutional right to do it despite the defense appropriation legislation. It sets up a constitutional fight which the lawfare folks reason is unlikely to be adjudicated by the courts. They'll say it is political and not want to sort out the constitutional elements. In other words, Trump's minions are smashing through another wall because they can. This so transparently helps Russia while undermining allies that I cannot believe that the President and/or many aides aren't compromised. There is no upside to killing it. I won't be shocked to learn some time down the road that either there was a lot of money to be made or severe kompromat involved.
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I’m thinking the same exact thing.
I mean, honestly, there really doesn’t seem to be any other likely answer to this.
I mean, honestly, there really doesn’t seem to be any other likely answer to this.
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Picture Putin offering Trump $5 million to kill a treaty. Now try to picture Trump turning him down.
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Election hacking, more like.
Pompeo is on board, and he doesn't care about Trump's wealth. He just needs a second Trump term to assure the triumph of Christian Dominionism.
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I don't know if the Chinese high five each other but they should be. Great take from @RadioFreeTom here.
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These two responses seem to hit the nail right on the head:
Even if you disagree with international organizations, it is folly to withdraw from them and let others take your influence.
China will pick up the void left by the USA in rendering aid to countries no longer served by WHO.
China will gain favor from those countries using emissaries and political influence.
Poor countries will be indebted to China
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Gonna need to hear from more generals.Trump says until Germany pays what it owes @NATO, the United States will reduce its troop presence there.
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President Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 U.S. election, telling Xi during a summit dinner last year that increased agricultural purchases by Beijing from American farmers would aid his electoral prospects, according to a damning new account of life inside the Trump administration by former national security adviser John Bolton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.htmlAt the same meeting, Xi also defended China’s construction of camps housing as many as 1 million Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang — and Trump signaled his approval. “According to our interpreter,” Bolton writes, “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do.”
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More of Trump's classic projection. Bolton set us back "very badly" with NK. Trump has set us back very super badlier with the rest of the world.
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ftfyLawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:55 pmMore of Trump's classic projection. Bolton set us back "very badly" with NK. Trump has set us back very super badlier with the rest of the world.
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This shows Trump's stupidity wrt NK.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:55 pm More of Trump's classic projection. Bolton set us back "very badly" with NK. Trump has set us back very super badlier with the rest of the world.
IIRC, Bolton's "Libyan model" comment was the excuse NK used to pull back from any real commitment after they'd won the appearance of equality on the world stage, which is all they were after.
Trump is saying Bolton broke it because he believes Kim was being sincere rather than playing him.
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This is literally a map of aircraft ferry ranges: one-way flights without weapons loaded.Pompeo wrote:If the @UN Arms Embargo on Iran expires in October, Iran will be able to buy new fighter aircraft like Russia’s SU-30 and China’s J-10. With these highly lethal aircraft, Europe and Asia could be in Iran’s crosshairs. The U.S. will never let this happen.
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I'm pretty sure that Iran could reach Asia before this.
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It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Maybe it's a defection map.
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Did Pompeo just tip Trump's October Surprise?Holman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:22 pmPompeo wrote:If the @UN Arms Embargo on Iran expires in October, Iran will be able to buy new fighter aircraft like Russia’s SU-30 and China’s J-10. With these highly lethal aircraft, Europe and Asia could be in Iran’s crosshairs. The U.S. will never let this happen.
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Or just desperately trying to meet an obligation?