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We caught up on everything Netflix, so for a bit of a drama break we started watching Superstore. We just started the second season and I am amused.
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coopasonic wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:12 pm We caught up on everything Netflix, so for a bit of a drama break we started watching Superstore. We just started the second season and I am amused.
Oddly enough, my wife and I started that relatively recently and we are also amused. Most of the way through Season 3. We watch an episode every now and again when we need a burst of humor.

We've also started (re)watching Leverage. I've seen it all, but the wife has not - it is exactly what I need in these times.
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We’re watching season 3 of Infinity Train on HBO and it can really be emotionally hard hitting. What a wonderful show.
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I was looking at some YouTube videos a short while back and one of the suggestions in the side panel was for an episode of The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. Apparently some individual has put together a vast collection of episodes on Youtube broken out by specific guests. For example one video is of all of Billy Connolly's visits in chronological order and there are a whole bunch of these plus lots of other collections. Good Lord! Ferguson is pure genius, he has to be one of the all time best talk show hosts. Some of these clips had me laughing so hard I was crying. Not everyone of them is comedy gold but the vast majority are really really good. I see now how he landed a beautiful younger wife, he is so fast and funny and just charms most of the ladies that he talks with, it's brilliant. Between just some really great guests, Geoff the skeleton and Ferguson simply making himself laugh to tears, If you need a bright spot in your day/evening watch a few of these clips and I can almost guarantee you will come away smiling.
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$iljanus wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:13 pm We’re watching season 3 of Infinity Train on HBO and it can really be emotionally hard hitting. What a wonderful show.
I wish HBO and Roku would get their crap together. My PS4 is not playing volume correctly for some reason and my Chromecast isn't working, so I don't have any options to watch HBO on my big TV. Makes me want to buy a smart TV...kind of.
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I am clearing my head and watching some relaxing classic television...

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Finally finished Sons of Anarchy. I have mixed feelings. I didn't find the finale that bad, or GoT-level underwhelming. But I definitely thought the show lost its way in the last couple seasons. And while at least there were consequences for Jax, they weren't appropriate ones and many others seemingly got off easy despite the genocide-level body count the series accumulated. (That is, if they didn't die themselves).

The show was always moving, but it didn't really go anywhere beyond documenting the cost of crime and rise/fall stuff, which other shows have done better (e.g. contemporary Breaking Bad). I have thoughts beyond that, but they're still percolating.

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I'm glad he lasted till the end because Callie/Unser was wonderful, but what was the point of the 5+-year terminal cancer that didn't kill him before a bullet did? Lol. I get that it added to his character, but I don't think he needed it... the washed up, tainted cop whose wife left him routine was sufficient. That said, I guess it's refreshing to see a character with cancer who doesn't either die or recover within one season? And also, props for really digging in and dressing Unser in those baggy t-shirts for the entire latter half of the series, demonstrating how little he cared about other than Gemma, reducing the body count, and whatever case or project he was obsessed with. Along with Chuckie, this Unser was a rare example of successfully extending the role of a hanger-on supporting character that probably should have been gone much earlier in the run.

Deputy Hale's surprise death (season three) was... surprising, but it was disappointing. While the character wasn't original, I still found him interesting and wanted to see his opposition to the club when he became full chief.

Bobby's death was hard to take (one of my favourite characters and I suspect a fan favourite as well), but it was thematically appropriate. And frankly, after the season seven murders he uncharacteristically participated in without hesitation, I can't feel he didn't deserve it. I'm also so pleased Juice's role expanded... remember in season one he was pretty much the club equivalent of the I.T. character? Often these characters are left by the wayside.

Supporting roles is really something this show did right. Even single-season appearances tended to feel natural, or were at least interesting. E.g. Annabeth Gish's sheriff in season seven and her relationship with Chibs. She was given time to be more than just another "clean/dirty law enforcement of the day", even if it didn't wind up amounting to much in the end.

Were there really any club members/associates who weren't completely irredeemable by the end? Smits/Nero is the only obvious one. In fact, I'm surprised they didn't just staple a halo to his scalp. I thought he was a great character, and obviously he did a couple horrible things (though, in the scope of the show, barely), but I was surprised he was willing to take so much crap and the show allowed him to preserve his integrity. (Also, how did his name not wind up in the titles by the end?) But, I guess someone deserved a good ending, and Wendy deserved some support. Speaking of which, I never thought Drea de Matteo would return to a major role... that was great, internally logical, and is something else rarely seen even in well planned, serial prestige television that runs for this long.

In the end, I think the show was at its best focusing on smaller club drama. While family was at its core, they really hit the Teller family drama too hard, and too often. Sagal/Gemma absolutely won me over, but seven seasons of her machinations, the kids and the people taking care of them, and hand-wringing over J.T.'s legacy was too much. Yes, I know it was intrinsic; it's just that it wasn't balanced. Maybe with the personal/family lives of some of the other characters? The show was also hard to take seriously in terms of the wider gang/crime plots where it felt very generic and also improbable. I mean, we're talking about 5-8 guys on bikes, and to be honest most of them aren't very bright.
It was amusing to see how many The Shield, Deadwood, and X-Files regulars popped up. Even Chiklis finally did, at the end. There's obviously a Fox connection with the first and last; I'm not sure how it came about with Deadwood.
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I followed that up with the first episode of Mayans M.C. From what I've read (including here), the show has a lukewarm reception. My first impression is that there's an appealing change in tone and flavour. The characters are immediately interesting. But the bullshit is the same. Frustrating coincidences and forced cameos. Flashbacks that I fear are going to last all season or series. An immersion shattering disregard for life. (Let's take out a whole gang on day one with presumably no repercussions!) I'm also a little concerned with the complexity of two layers of undercover operations. I actually love that sort of thing, but it's rarely pulled off well or given room to breathe.

It's appealing enough to continue, but I don't know if I'm going to do so immediately. I'm all Sons of Anarchied out and need to digest something lighter or less emotionally manipulative for a while.
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Mine (2016) with Armie Hammer, currently available on Netflix.

I didn’t bother to check the reviews beforehand, which say it’s terrible. But as you may know, I’m a sucker for war films.

Armie does a good job in a meh film. As with all films, it’s about the people. Who he is, how he got there, and what he’s willing to do to keep moving forward.
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Just finished Cobra Kai. Now I'm trying to find something new to watch. I'm finding that it's hard to find something that doesn't fall into one of three categories: tedious dramas about everyday life, absurd comedies, or utterly dark and gritty shows.

What happened to fun in TV shows?
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Blackhawk wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:17 pm Just finished Cobra Kai. Now I'm trying to find something new to watch. I'm finding that it's hard to find something that doesn't fall into one of three categories: tedious dramas about everyday life, absurd comedies, or utterly dark and gritty shows.

What happened to fun in TV shows?
They're out there. Have you looked at Mrs Fisher's Murder Mysteries and Murdoch Mysteries? Both are fun shows in their respectful genres but never take themselves too seriously. Especially Murdoch Mysteries which has delved into sci-fi and light horror over the years. In a recent season, they even had an episode that involved a young H.P Lovecraft.
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I'll take a look at those, thanks. I'm still confused as to why grim and dark shows remain the default in an era when life is grim and dark. It seems like people would want something more... hopeful. Optimistic. Something that isn't about the worst qualities of humanity.

I like grim, gritty, dark shows, too. But it's just too much these days.
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Yep, agreed. It's kind of why I've argued against the need for such a dark and gritty Batman in this day and age. I mean, I get the point of Batman, but surely there could be a more optimistic direction involving compromises? Why does the direction always need to strive to be darker and grittier than the last?

Anyway, as for fun shows, I sometimes have to look beyond the usual sources. Sometimes even look for something older. I don't know if you've ever watched Due South, but that's another great one. And one of my all-time favourite comedies is called Corner Gas.

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Rumpy wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:04 pm Yep, agreed. It's kind of why I've argued against the need for such a dark and gritty Batman in this day and age. I mean, I get the point of Batman, but surely there could be a more optimistic direction involving compromises?
Sure. The compromise is 'also make films about characters that aren't fundamentally grim.' ;) Shazam, for instance, or a proper Superman film. A Batgirl/Nightwing film. The right Green Lantern (be careful - several of them are dicks.) Make optimistic films about optimistic characters. There are tons of them! But even choking on all the grimdark out there, I won't say to take a grim character and make them happy. It's as bad as making a dark Superman film (Zack Snyder, I'm talking to you.)
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Yeah, agreed on Snyder's Superman. I really didn't like that take. Almost as if he was pulling him down to Batman's level.

I just think that, yes, while Batman is generally a dark character, I still see no reason why he has to be insufferably grim. I mean, throughout everything, even different comic books, etc, you have shades of how dark the character's been, just like 60's Batman was hammy. I just feel that we've likely reached a point where the darkness we're seeing via the most recent version is too much. It's not even really about the character. It's about the direction and vision. Just lighten it up a notch and it wouldn't compromise anything about his character. Or maybe we just need to take a break from the character for a bit, because I'm feeling like the current version isn't fit for this period we're in.
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Maybe. I still like dark shows. I'm loving The Boys, for instance. I like that there are dark superheroes, and I like that there are grim stories when I'm in the mood. I just wish there were more alternatives when I'm not in that mood. But that doesn't mean I want all positive shows, either.

Let me put it this way. If you want optimistic sci-fi, you don't make a happier Aliens. That wouldn't be Aliens. Instead, you make more Star Trek.
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Fully agree with you there, and just to clarify I'm not advocating for Batman to become a goody-two-shoes like Superman. I'm just saying that there's been change over several decades of over the direction of the character so I can't see why there can't still be change. To think he can't change or won't change is to deny that there have been changes, and some pretty major changes at that, to the direction they've chosen to take the character.

I like dark shows too. For the most part, they all have their place.

And you're right, you have The Orville spoof Aliens ;)
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