Self Pardon Picks

For discussion of religion and politics

Moderators: LawBeefaroni, $iljanus

Post Reply

When will Trump try to Pardon himself ?

Poll ended at Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:26 pm

In the next week (by Jan 12th)
3
14%
Next Wednesday, January 13 (1 week before inauguration)
0
No votes
Thursday, January 14
0
No votes
Friday, January 15
3
14%
Saturday, January 16
0
No votes
Sunday, January 17
1
5%
Monday, January 18
0
No votes
Tuesday, January 19th
6
29%
last-minute / January 20th
6
29%
Never...
2
10%
 
Total votes: 21

User avatar
Unagi
Posts: 26376
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:14 pm
Location: Chicago

Self Pardon Picks

Post by Unagi »

When do you think Trump will go for the Self-Pardon? Or do you think he won't go for it?
User avatar
Jaymann
Posts: 19317
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:13 pm
Location: California

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Jaymann »

My guess is the 19th, so as to cover as many felonies as possible.
Jaymann
]==(:::::::::::::>
Black Lives Matter
User avatar
Max Peck
Posts: 13682
Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:09 pm
Location: Down the Rabbit-Hole

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Max Peck »

I selected never, but it will be accidental. He'll intend to do it before the clock runs out, but between his innate laziness, incompetence, incontinence and lack of attention to detail, it'll slip until it's too late. His toadies will be too busy getting their own pardons lined up to remind him to do his own. Nonetheless, he'll tweet out that he did do it, and 70 million terminally gaslit Americans will believe that he is pardoned and that the Deep State shredded the paperwork in one last act of betrayal.
"What? What? What?" -- The 14th Doctor

It's not enough to be a good player... you also have to play well. -- Siegbert Tarrasch
User avatar
Kraken
Posts: 43688
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
Location: The Hub of the Universe
Contact:

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Kraken »

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:29 pm My guess is the 19th, so as to cover as many felonies as possible.
Agree.
User avatar
Unagi
Posts: 26376
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:14 pm
Location: Chicago

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Unagi »

I think he does it soon, so he knows if it 'sticks'... else he needs to high tail it.
malchior
Posts: 24794
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by malchior »

I think his present thinking is he doesn't need it since he didn't lose. Once it is clear he is being robbed in his mind he will do it last minute. As to the practicality of that outcome, theoretically there is no official mechanism. He can write it on a piece of paper or say it in camera.
User avatar
Archinerd
Posts: 6836
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:18 am
Location: Shikaakwa

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Archinerd »

Not sure, but it will be the day after Ivanka, Jared, Trump Jr., and (maybe) Eric.

For the pruposes of this poll, I'll go with Sunday.
User avatar
Archinerd
Posts: 6836
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:18 am
Location: Shikaakwa

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Archinerd »

New prediction; Ivanka & company will be pardoned the day after the fucker (who I will not name) that killed people in Kenosha with an illegal rifle.
Also, I think Sunday is too late. Trump will do it tomorrow before he is removed from office.
User avatar
LordMortis
Posts: 70099
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:26 pm

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by LordMortis »

I picked the 19th, I might need to change that if Impeachment is put on the table (It should but I'm not confident it will) that goes up to day of impeachment filing.
User avatar
Little Raven
Posts: 8608
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:26 am
Location: Austin, TX

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Little Raven »

Archinerd wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:24 pmNew prediction; Ivanka & company will be pardoned the day after the fucker (who I will not name) that killed people in Kenosha with an illegal rifle.
Can't pardon Rittenhouse. He's being charged by the state of Wisconsin, not the Feds.
/. "She climbed backwards out her
\/ window into Outside Over There."
User avatar
Hamlet3145
Posts: 1532
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:27 pm
Contact:

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Hamlet3145 »

I mean, he has nothing to lose by trying it. I picked last minute, but if there is any legitimate rumbling in the coming hours/next few days that impeachment or the 25th might happen, he'll do it immediately.
User avatar
Alefroth
Posts: 8486
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:56 pm
Location: Bellingham WA

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Alefroth »

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:29 pm My guess is the 19th, so as to cover as many felonies as possible.
Can he only do one pardon?
User avatar
Blackhawk
Posts: 43487
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:48 pm
Location: Southwest Indiana

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Blackhawk »

If he's not completely delusional, he has to realize that he's in at least some danger of being removed early. If so, it'll happen as soon as he can get his hands on a piece of paper.
(˙pǝsɹǝʌǝɹ uǝǝq sɐɥ ʎʇıʌɐɹƃ ʃɐuosɹǝd ʎW)
User avatar
Holman
Posts: 28906
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:00 pm
Location: Between the Schuylkill and the Wissahickon

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Holman »

I picked Friday 1/15 for the sake of tradition (that is, the tradition of doing guilty things on Friday after the major news orgs have shut down for the weekend).
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
malchior
Posts: 24794
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by malchior »

Trump gives up a hint!
Spoiler:
User avatar
Unagi
Posts: 26376
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:14 pm
Location: Chicago

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Unagi »

This will be pretty weird.
Trump will most certainly declare that he needs to Pardon himself in order to protect himself from the crooked government that he expects to honor his self pardon.
User avatar
El Guapo
Posts: 41243
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:01 pm
Location: Boston

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by El Guapo »

I had picked the 19th, so he can just fly down to Mar a Lago and ignore the hullabaloo. But now I'm wondering whether given the 25th amendment talk he might want to do it earlier - the nightmare scenario for him is the 25th gets sprung on him suddenly before he has pardoned himself, and then he's not president during the final days of his term, losing the ability to issue the pardons.

Talk indicates that the 25th is unlikely at this point, but I'm not sure if I would want to count on that. So I'd have the paperwork drawn up if I were him. I think the 15th is growing as a possibility, and I wouldn't entirely rule out the 8th (though that might marginally increase the impeachment odds).
Black Lives Matter.
User avatar
Holman
Posts: 28906
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:00 pm
Location: Between the Schuylkill and the Wissahickon

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Holman »

I think we should assume that he has already written the pardons and not announced them.

He can always update them as new crimes occur or new bribes roll in.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
User avatar
Paingod
Posts: 13132
Joined: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:58 am

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Paingod »

Is there a way to include wording like "and all other related and unrelated crimes that may be uncovered" like when you're hired for a job and they always slide in "all other job duties as assigned" ... ?
Black Lives Matter

2021-01-20: The first good night's sleep I had in 4 years.
User avatar
Brian
Posts: 12553
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:51 am
Location: South of Heaven
Contact:

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Brian »

I keep reading this thread title as "Self Pardon Pricks" which, frankly, also works.
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln
User avatar
Kraken
Posts: 43688
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
Location: The Hub of the Universe
Contact:

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Kraken »

Paingod wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:34 pm Is there a way to include wording like "and all other related and unrelated crimes that may be uncovered" like when you're hired for a job and they always slide in "all other job duties as assigned" ... ?
Ford gave Nixon "a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president." trump could use that same language.
User avatar
Holman
Posts: 28906
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:00 pm
Location: Between the Schuylkill and the Wissahickon

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Holman »

Kraken wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:39 pm
Paingod wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:34 pm Is there a way to include wording like "and all other related and unrelated crimes that may be uncovered" like when you're hired for a job and they always slide in "all other job duties as assigned" ... ?
Ford gave Nixon "a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president." trump could use that same language.
Has anything like that ever been tested in court? It just seems so mushy.

Of course the 1970s were a mushy time.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
malchior
Posts: 24794
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by malchior »

Holman wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:51 pm
Kraken wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:39 pm
Paingod wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:34 pm Is there a way to include wording like "and all other related and unrelated crimes that may be uncovered" like when you're hired for a job and they always slide in "all other job duties as assigned" ... ?
Ford gave Nixon "a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president." trump could use that same language.
Has anything like that ever been tested in court? It just seems so mushy.

Of course the 1970s were a mushy time.
It was never tested but many scholars have said they believe it'd hold up.
User avatar
Archinerd
Posts: 6836
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:18 am
Location: Shikaakwa

Re: Self Pardon Picks

Post by Archinerd »

All bets are off. With no twitter access, we may not actually know when he announces it.
Post Reply