The Trump Impeachment Thread

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:58 pm

Max Peck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:57 pmWell, except for the ones who have been actively conspiring to commit acts of insurrection but didn't make it to DC on the 6th.

I suspect that's a pretty small number.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:12 pm

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:49 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:44 pmWhat is the point, that they have a legitimate fear? Sure. Never disagreed with that.

The fact that their reaction to the fear is to buckle and vote against impeachment solely on the basis of that fear (or using fear as an excuse), that's pretty damned relevant.
Exactly. As Colbert put it earlier this week:

"The GOP: We don't negotiate with terrorists!

...we just give them whatever they want."

I think the point is that we shouldn’t underestimate how scared some of these people are of their own constituents. That’s a terrible dynamic and one that’s a huge obstacle to good, rational governance.

I also think the point is that for the few Republicans willing to go against the screams and the threats emanating from their home district, they’re deserving of at least some small measure of respect.

Definitely doesn’t absolve them of culpability for getting us to this terrible place in history, but should still be acknowledged.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:13 pm

Max Peck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:57 pm
Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:51 pm If you didn't storm the Capitol, you have nothing to fear from the FBI.
Well, except for the ones who have been actively conspiring to commit acts of insurrection but didn't make it to DC on the 6th.

I think the downside of all of this is that we're going to see a lot fewer "Angry passenger has hissy fit on an airplane" videos once all of these domestic terrorists are on the no-fly list.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:22 pm

$iljanus wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:48 pm Rep. Boebert really sets my teeth on edge. It almost was a blessing that she talked so fast during her rant which seemed to make the time go faster.

And another Republican calls for the “better angels”.

Imagine being from her state. At least my actual rep, Jason Crow, is significantly more human.

Kurth wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:12 pm I think the point is that we shouldn’t underestimate how scared some of these people are of their own constituents. That’s a terrible dynamic and one that’s a huge obstacle to good, rational governance.

I also think the point is that for the few Republicans willing to go against the screams and the threats emanating from their home district, they’re deserving of at least some small measure of respect.

Definitely doesn’t absolve them of culpability for getting us to this terrible place in history, but should still be acknowledged.

That's certainly a point, but I wouldn't call it the point. These folks are our national leadership, and many of those whining now are culpable for bringing us to this point (of course, some more than others, but the entire GOP caucus is extremely culpable). It does suck that they are receiving death threats, and those threats should be run down and prosecuted to the fullest extent. But that's neither new (someone ask AOC or Barack Obama how long they've been receiving threats) nor an excuse. If you can't take the heat, don't take the job. Our nation's future is quite literally at stake. This is a storm the beaches moment. A 'four score and seven years ago.' Step up or sit down.

I understand that that sounds harsh. It is harsh. But come on.

Also, please don't tell me that you believe death threats are the main (or even a major) obstacle to good, rational governance. That would be, to put it charitably, an extreme mulligan to the GOP (especially, but also to the Dems) leadership.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:29 pm

Zaxxon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:22 pm Our nation's future is quite literally at stake. This is a storm the beaches moment. A 'four score and seven years ago.' Step up or sit down.

I understand that that sounds harsh. It is harsh. But come on.

I don't think it's harsh. If protecting Democracy was easy, they wouldn't give you medals for it.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:39 pm

Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:51 pm I'm all for unity and healing. It starts by impeaching Trump.

+1

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:53 pm

It sounds like they're getting to the end of the arguments and are going to vote soon.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:56 pm

This whole day was like exhibit A for future historians to finally write off the GOP as a lost cause in the House. They are wall-to-wall full of clowns, adult sized babies, and malcontents. I feel like I should bathe having watched it.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:57 pm

Voting now. 3 R yeses so far, out of 75 Rs. 75 D yeses, out of 75.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:05 pm

117 dem yay 8 rep yay
123 rep nay
103 dem novote 81 rep novote

Isn't a 2nd impeachment a 1st in history?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:08 pm

Yes it's a first.

And they're up to 9 R's voting for impeachment.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:24 pm

6600 armed national guard on the Capitol grounds.

up to

YAY - 219 DEM 10 GOP
NAY - 0 DEM 195 GOP

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:26 pm

Impeachment II
-this time, it's bipartisan!

OR

Impeachment II
-now with Republicans!

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:26 pm

And it's OVER! Agolf Impeachment 2.0.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:26 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:26 pm Impeachment II
-this time, it's bipartisan!

OR

Impeachment II
-now with Republicans!

C c c c c c COMBOOOOooooooooo!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:33 pm

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:37 pm

232-197

10 Rs voted for it. 4 Rs haven't voted.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:37 pm

its shameful. It should have been a full both sided yay with zero nays. Shameful.

Anyone get the feeling impeachments will be a regular thing in the future?

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:39 pm

You can't start to heal until you cure the disease or cleanse the wound.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:44 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:33 pm

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:47 pm

Alefroth wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:39 pm You can't start to heal until you cure the disease or cleanse the wound.

That sounds suspiciously like medical science. Begone, witch!

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:16 pm

According to wikipedia, these are the R's that voted for Impeachment:

John Katko (NY-24)
Liz Cheney (WY-AL)
Adam Kinzinger (IL-16)
Fred Upton (MI-6)
Jaime Herrera Beutler (WA-3)
Dan Newhouse (WA-4)
Peter Meijer (MI-3)
Tom Rice (SC-7)
Anthony Gonzalez (OH-16)
David Valadao (CA-21)

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:29 pm

Defiant wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:16 pm Peter Meijer (MI-3)

I was legit surprised and he's been vocal as a dissenter. He is the one who sent Amash packing with all of the DeVos, Prince, Meijer, etc.. money drying up after Amash dissented from the GOP. I think Miejer might be seeing Trump's disdain for the military for anything other than Trump's plumage.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:39 pm

At least there appear to be some consequences for being an evil goon. The best outcome is he goes broke, his whole brood is impoverished, and he and multiple family members end up in Federal prison. The first two are plausibly going to happen. That's pretty good if not entirely satisfying.

On the lighter side --

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:02 pm

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:18 pm

Sorry I had my followers attack the Capitol. Ill be nice now since it failed so badly.

Ok folks nothing to see here. Break it up break it up.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:22 pm

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:20 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:39 pm At least there appear to be some consequences for being an evil goon. The best outcome is he goes broke, his whole brood is impoverished, and he and multiple family members end up in Federal prison. The first two are plausibly going to happen. That's pretty good if not entirely satisfying.

I doubt they end up broke or impoverished. They may lot be able to live the lavish lifestyles they pretended to previously, but they'll have enough protected assets and income potential (they're willing to do anything for money) to live comfortably.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:38 pm

And now this Qanon nut pops her pimple filled head up to be squished. I thought this was The Onion at first but nope...cant make up crazy like this bitch.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to file Articles of Impeachment on President-Elect Joe Biden

U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene announced Wednesday she plans to file Articles of Impeachment on President-Elect Joe Biden on January 21st, his first full day as President.

75 million Americans are fed up with inaction.

It’s time to take a stand.

I’m proud to be the voice of Republican voters who have been ignored.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:10 am

Dershowitz is out:

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins

The legal team is disintegrating before it’s even been formed. Trump has told people, “Talk to Dershowitz.”

Dershowitz says POTUS hasn't asked him and indicates he's not inclined to do it.

"I'm not an actor, I'm a lawyer, and this will be a show trial," he told me. "My plan is to keep defending the First Amendment in the marketplace of ideas."

No word on whether he was dissuaded by the Camp Auschwitz or 6MWNE T-shirts.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:41 am

Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:38 pm
U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene announced Wednesday she plans to file Articles of Impeachment on President-Elect Joe Biden on January 21st, his first full day as President.

75 million Americans are fed up with inaction.

It’s time to take a stand.

I’m proud to be the voice of Republican voters who have been ignored.

*snort*

How dare Biden not take action as president before the 20th! His inability to lead this nation through the last four years has really hurt all of us.

These chuckleheads are going to spend the next decade yowling ineffectually at the moon and derailing as much as they can, with no other goal than to continue to deepen the divide Trump ripped wide open.

Scraper · Post by **Scraper** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:06 am

Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:41 am
Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:38 pm
U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene announced Wednesday she plans to file Articles of Impeachment on President-Elect Joe Biden on January 21st, his first full day as President.

75 million Americans are fed up with inaction.

It’s time to take a stand.

I’m proud to be the voice of Republican voters who have been ignored.
*snort*

How dare Biden not take action as president before the 20th! His inability to lead this nation through the last four years has really hurt all of us.

These chuckleheads are going to spend the next decade yowling ineffectually at the moon and derailing as much as they can, with no other goal than to continue to deepen the divide Trump ripped wide open.

This type of thinking has been common in the the R base for years. When Obama was first elected I was at a breakfast meeting with my then boss who was complaining about how Obama has tanked the economy. At that point Obama had literally only been in office for 7 days. When I mentioned that the economy was bad well before Obama took office he just dismissed it. They see only what they want to see.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:49 am

James Comey suggested that Biden pardon Trump to promote healing. Ha ha ha ha...no.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:18 am

Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:41 am
Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:38 pm
U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene announced Wednesday she plans to file Articles of Impeachment on President-Elect Joe Biden on January 21st, his first full day as President.

75 million Americans are fed up with inaction.

It’s time to take a stand.

I’m proud to be the voice of Republican voters who have been ignored.
*snort*

How dare Biden not take action as president before the 20th! His inability to lead this nation through the last four years has really hurt all of us.

These chuckleheads are going to spend the next decade yowling ineffectually at the moon and derailing as much as they can, with no other goal than to continue to deepen the divide Trump ripped wide open.

I think the "inaction" she's decrying is the lack of a full-scale senate investigation into Hunter's laptop, Biden's membership in the Chinese Communist Party, and Hillary's cannibalism. Her articles of impeachment are going to be a doozy.

Pluis, as QAnon loon, she's fully committed to the idea that elites in her own party are possible members of the Satanic pedophile community. I don't think she's going to be very collegial.

Scraper · Post by **Scraper** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:27 am

Holman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:18 am
Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:41 am
Daehawk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:38 pm
U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene announced Wednesday she plans to file Articles of Impeachment on President-Elect Joe Biden on January 21st, his first full day as President.

75 million Americans are fed up with inaction.

It’s time to take a stand.

I’m proud to be the voice of Republican voters who have been ignored.
*snort*

How dare Biden not take action as president before the 20th! His inability to lead this nation through the last four years has really hurt all of us.

These chuckleheads are going to spend the next decade yowling ineffectually at the moon and derailing as much as they can, with no other goal than to continue to deepen the divide Trump ripped wide open.
I think the "inaction" she's decrying is the lack of a full-scale senate investigation into Hunter's laptop, Biden's membership in the Chinese Communist Party, and Hillary's cannibalism. Her articles of impeachment are going to be a doozy.

Pluis, as QAnon loon, she's fully committed to the idea that elites in her own party are possible members of the Satanic pedophile community. I don't think she's going to be very collegial.

Agreed and the degree to which her own party shuts her down is going to be very telling as to which direction the republican party is going to head over the next couple of years. If they let her run wild and actually gain traction then the party is lost.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:31 am

I read somewhere else that it's helpful to think of these two new QAnon reps as what they actually are: actors.

They weren't elected to actually create policy (although their votes will push bad policy along) or do anything to legitimately help their constituents. Their primary function is to act as wind-up "OUTRAGE!" machines. Wind them up and point them at the nearest camera to say the lines and create soundbites of whatever batshit GOP talking point is top of mind that day.

I expect that they will continue to gain an outsized portion of the media spotlight (they're both exceedingly good at being attention whores) while the rest of the GOP will mostly just try to ignore them rather than actively speaking out against them. I doubt they necessarily gain any traction, but we'll always hear exactly what their monumentally stupid take is on any given topic for the next few years.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:39 am

Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:58 pm
Max Peck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:57 pmWell, except for the ones who have been actively conspiring to commit acts of insurrection but didn't make it to DC on the 6th.
I suspect that's a pretty small number.

Perhaps, but that doesn't mean the Feds aren't coming for them.

'Dead men can’t pass shit laws': Queens Proud Boy busted with ammo stockpile

A far-right extremist arrested for stockpiling thousands of rounds of ammo inside his Middle Village home encouraged the murder of U.S. Sen. Raphael Warnock and liberal politicians throughout “target-rich” New York, federal prosecutors said Wednesday.

Eduard Florea, a 40-year-old software engineer, was charged with being a convicted felon in possession of ammunition after FBI agents searched his home Tuesday and Wednesday. The authorities converged on his house at 76th Avenue near Elliot Avenue in an armored car suited for battle.

Authorities seized 1,000 rounds of rifle ammunition, 2,000 rounds of shotgun ammo, 75 “military-style” combat knives, two hatchets and two swords from the home, according to a criminal complaint. Florea has a past weapons charge is barred from possessing ammunition.

A magistrate judge denied bail at Florea’s arraignment in Brooklyn federal court Wednesday.

“Mr. Florea is a significant danger to the community and is a flight risk,” said U.S. Magistrate Judge Sanket Bulsara. “I think it’s evident in the statements he posted during and after and before Jan. 5 and 6.”

Florea, a self-described Proud Boy, used the social media platform Parler to threaten violence against Warnock and other Democrats the day before the attack on the U.S. Capitol Jan. 6, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Francsico Navarro.

Florea did not travel to Washington D.C. for the far-right riot, but cheered on the insurrection and pledged to continue the attack in and around Queens, Navarro said.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:55 am

Scraper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:27 am(if crazy things happen)...then the party is lost.

People seem to be saying this sort of thing as often as Susan Collins believes Trump had learned his lesson this time. How many "the party is lost" flags need to be planted for it to take hold?

I mean ... Trump was a big damn flag ... and then there were probably a dozen more easily seen flags for the last four years, from naked power grabs to extreme partisanship and refusal to see the house in flames around them. From my perspective, the GOP is lost and has become the party of unreason.

The closest historical allegory I can think of for the actions of the GOP right now is how Europe moved into the Dark Ages.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:06 pm

Max Peck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:39 am
Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:58 pm
Max Peck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:57 pm
Authorities seized 1,000 rounds of rifle ammunition, 2,000 rounds of shotgun ammo, 75 “military-style” combat knives, two hatchets and two swords from the home
Yes, but were they curved swords?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:07 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:06 pm
Max Peck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:39 am
Little Raven wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:58 pm
Max Peck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:57 pm
Authorities seized 1,000 rounds of rifle ammunition, 2,000 rounds of shotgun ammo, 75 “military-style” combat knives, two hatchets and two swords from the home
Yes, but were they curved swords?