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baelthazar wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:50 pm While I really want this, I need to remember how I owned both the Medieval one and the original and never played either. The gameplay is just a bit too simple for my tastes (Core Space, for example, is just as easy to play and has more going for it).

That said, I do love the theme. I sort of regret selling the Dark Ages one.
I decided to back this as I have never owned a Zombiecide game and I do like the idea of Zombies in the Old West. That said, what do folks who have Zombicide think of the gameplay? Is it something a 9 and 13-year-old would be able to grasp? How's the art in the previous games? Is it over the top? Filled with gore?
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I mean, I have more Shadows of Brimstone than I'll ever be able to use...do I need another game like this?

(I've never played a Zombiecide game in my life...but as stated, if I were going to buy one, this would be the one.)
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raydude wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:20 pm
baelthazar wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:50 pm While I really want this, I need to remember how I owned both the Medieval one and the original and never played either. The gameplay is just a bit too simple for my tastes (Core Space, for example, is just as easy to play and has more going for it).

That said, I do love the theme. I sort of regret selling the Dark Ages one.
I decided to back this as I have never owned a Zombiecide game and I do like the idea of Zombies in the Old West. That said, what do folks who have Zombicide think of the gameplay? Is it something a 9 and 13-year-old would be able to grasp? How's the art in the previous games? Is it over the top? Filled with gore?
IIRC, there isn't a lot of overt gore (other than body parts and bloodstains), but there DOES tend to be a lot of "sexy" scuplts. Even the zombies in the previous editions had thongs showing through their tattered skirts, loads of cleavage, and shapely legs. The survivors are similarly hypersexualized (particularly the women). I looked at this KS and it seems like they are following the dressing conventions of the era, with only one or two (the obligatory Wild West prostitute named Trixie, for example) being scantily clad. This may not be a big deal, but since I don't know your feelings on this and it WAS something the original and Dark Ages were criticized for, I thought I would mention it.

The gameplay loop is pretty simple and would probably be fine for the 9 year old (absolutely for the 13yo). Zombies move towards noise or line of sight PCs. PCs get certain movement points and can take a limited number of actions. Items are clear and usually give bonus die, defense, or better types of attacks (like ranged or area of effect). It's a dice fest. The more zombies you kill, the faster you level up your characters to get some extra bonuses. Usually the scenario has some goal (such as reach an area, find an item, destroy an item, or kill an abomination). Zombie variety isn't particularly great, so you don't have to worry about keeping track of too many stats and things.

Part of why I didn't keep my copies is that I did not find it a compelling solo play game (in comparison to others I have) and you have to play multiple characters (often at least 3-4). It wasn't complex enough to warrant me setting it up and playing. That said, given the remote nature of my work, this new one may be a great "between meetings or turn during downtime" game. Like Hentzau said though, I've got Shadows of Brimstone (a FAR more complicated game) if I want a wild west fix.
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baelthazar wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:42 am
raydude wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:20 pm
baelthazar wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:50 pm While I really want this, I need to remember how I owned both the Medieval one and the original and never played either. The gameplay is just a bit too simple for my tastes (Core Space, for example, is just as easy to play and has more going for it).

That said, I do love the theme. I sort of regret selling the Dark Ages one.
I decided to back this as I have never owned a Zombiecide game and I do like the idea of Zombies in the Old West. That said, what do folks who have Zombicide think of the gameplay? Is it something a 9 and 13-year-old would be able to grasp? How's the art in the previous games? Is it over the top? Filled with gore?
IIRC, there isn't a lot of overt gore (other than body parts and bloodstains), but there DOES tend to be a lot of "sexy" scuplts. Even the zombies in the previous editions had thongs showing through their tattered skirts, loads of cleavage, and shapely legs. The survivors are similarly hypersexualized (particularly the women). I looked at this KS and it seems like they are following the dressing conventions of the era, with only one or two (the obligatory Wild West prostitute named Trixie, for example) being scantily clad. This may not be a big deal, but since I don't know your feelings on this and it WAS something the original and Dark Ages were criticized for, I thought I would mention it.

The gameplay loop is pretty simple and would probably be fine for the 9 year old (absolutely for the 13yo). Zombies move towards noise or line of sight PCs. PCs get certain movement points and can take a limited number of actions. Items are clear and usually give bonus die, defense, or better types of attacks (like ranged or area of effect). It's a dice fest. The more zombies you kill, the faster you level up your characters to get some extra bonuses. Usually the scenario has some goal (such as reach an area, find an item, destroy an item, or kill an abomination). Zombie variety isn't particularly great, so you don't have to worry about keeping track of too many stats and things.

Part of why I didn't keep my copies is that I did not find it a compelling solo play game (in comparison to others I have) and you have to play multiple characters (often at least 3-4). It wasn't complex enough to warrant me setting it up and playing. That said, given the remote nature of my work, this new one may be a great "between meetings or turn during downtime" game. Like Hentzau said though, I've got Shadows of Brimstone (a FAR more complicated game) if I want a wild west fix.
Thanks for the rundown. Yeah, I took a look at the cards and I think we'll be ok for the most part. I have read reviews and watched "how-to-play" videos of Shadows of Brimestone and it seems like too much setup for me and the kiddos. Heck, I still have Gloomhaven, Street Masters, and Western Legends if I need something on the more complicated side, so Undead or Alive may fill that "quick game" niche.
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raydude wrote:
baelthazar wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:42 am
raydude wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:20 pm
baelthazar wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:50 pm While I really want this, I need to remember how I owned both the Medieval one and the original and never played either. The gameplay is just a bit too simple for my tastes (Core Space, for example, is just as easy to play and has more going for it).

That said, I do love the theme. I sort of regret selling the Dark Ages one.
I decided to back this as I have never owned a Zombiecide game and I do like the idea of Zombies in the Old West. That said, what do folks who have Zombicide think of the gameplay? Is it something a 9 and 13-year-old would be able to grasp? How's the art in the previous games? Is it over the top? Filled with gore?
IIRC, there isn't a lot of overt gore (other than body parts and bloodstains), but there DOES tend to be a lot of "sexy" scuplts. Even the zombies in the previous editions had thongs showing through their tattered skirts, loads of cleavage, and shapely legs. The survivors are similarly hypersexualized (particularly the women). I looked at this KS and it seems like they are following the dressing conventions of the era, with only one or two (the obligatory Wild West prostitute named Trixie, for example) being scantily clad. This may not be a big deal, but since I don't know your feelings on this and it WAS something the original and Dark Ages were criticized for, I thought I would mention it.

The gameplay loop is pretty simple and would probably be fine for the 9 year old (absolutely for the 13yo). Zombies move towards noise or line of sight PCs. PCs get certain movement points and can take a limited number of actions. Items are clear and usually give bonus die, defense, or better types of attacks (like ranged or area of effect). It's a dice fest. The more zombies you kill, the faster you level up your characters to get some extra bonuses. Usually the scenario has some goal (such as reach an area, find an item, destroy an item, or kill an abomination). Zombie variety isn't particularly great, so you don't have to worry about keeping track of too many stats and things.

Part of why I didn't keep my copies is that I did not find it a compelling solo play game (in comparison to others I have) and you have to play multiple characters (often at least 3-4). It wasn't complex enough to warrant me setting it up and playing. That said, given the remote nature of my work, this new one may be a great "between meetings or turn during downtime" game. Like Hentzau said though, I've got Shadows of Brimstone (a FAR more complicated game) if I want a wild west fix.
Thanks for the rundown. Yeah, I took a look at the cards and I think we'll be ok for the most part. I have read reviews and watched "how-to-play" videos of Shadows of Brimestone and it seems like too much setup for me and the kiddos. Heck, I still have Gloomhaven, Street Masters, and Western Legends if I need something on the more complicated side, so Undead or Alive may fill that "quick game" niche.
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raydude wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:53 pm Thanks for the rundown. Yeah, I took a look at the cards and I think we'll be ok for the most part. I have read reviews and watched "how-to-play" videos of Shadows of Brimestone and it seems like too much setup for me and the kiddos. Heck, I still have Gloomhaven, Street Masters, and Western Legends if I need something on the more complicated side, so Undead or Alive may fill that "quick game" niche.
If you're after an enjoyable zombie-themed title to try with kids that plays quickly and is also easy to set up, have you considered Flick 'em Up!: Dead of Winter? It does a surprisingly good job of combining the immensely enjoyable Crokinole-ish dexterity aspects from the original Flick 'em Up along with the narrative of Dead of Winter. It also portrays zombies in a fun and somewhat realistic way, with the zombies in the game being more akin to a force of nature. There's nothing gruesome to worry about in the game's artwork, either. As long as your children are unlikely to be afraid of the idea of the game (summed up below), there's really nothing in the game itself likely to be all that scary:
Boardgamegeek.com wrote:Flick 'em Up!: Dead of Winter pits players against zombies in a dexterity game that has you using tools in various ways to take out the undead while they in turn shamble somewhat randomly in your direction.

Based on the best-selling Dead of Winter, form your group of ten survivors and explore the city with ten scenarios. Shh! The slightest sound will wake the zombies! With the new — and terrifying — zombie tower, you'd better be ready and rearing to go when the zombies attack! Will you be able to flick some zombies?
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Anonymous Bosch wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:28 pm
raydude wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:53 pm Thanks for the rundown. Yeah, I took a look at the cards and I think we'll be ok for the most part. I have read reviews and watched "how-to-play" videos of Shadows of Brimestone and it seems like too much setup for me and the kiddos. Heck, I still have Gloomhaven, Street Masters, and Western Legends if I need something on the more complicated side, so Undead or Alive may fill that "quick game" niche.
If you're after an enjoyable zombie-themed title to try with kids that plays quickly and is also easy to set up, have you considered Flick 'em Up!: Dead of Winter? It does a surprisingly good job of combining the immensely enjoyable Crokinole-ish dexterity aspects from the original Flick 'em Up along with the narrative of Dead of Winter. It also portrays zombies in a fun and somewhat realistic way, with the zombies in the game being more akin to a force of nature. There's nothing gruesome to worry about in the game's artwork, either. As long as your children are unlikely to be afraid of the idea of the game (summed up below), there's really nothing in the game itself likely to be all that scary:
Thanks for that recommendation as well. I actually have Flick 'em Up! And the kids enjoyed that quite a bit. I'll keep this one in mind!
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The Dark Knight Returns game just launched so I immediately backed it. I'm in for the base version; the deluxe minis and case are nice, but for an extra $50 I'd rather just buy an additional game.

Things I like:
- Designed for solo only. I'm always intrigued by games designed specifically for solo play, particularly since that's the way I play my games 90% of the time.
- Theme - I'm a HUGE Batman fan, and The Dark Knight Returns storyline is an all-time classic
- Those custom batarang dice are completely absurd, and I'm a sucker for highly customized dice

Things that scare me:
- I'm not yet sold on the board design. Looks more like a 1950s spy game than a Batman game
- Replayability - it is fun enough to run through the campaign more than once?
- I didn't particularly care for either of the Cryptozoic published games I played (DC Deckbuilding game and Walking Dead: No Sanctuary)

Hoping there are some good stretch goals. I'm still open to backing out depending on seeing some gameplay previews. But for now I'm in.
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Wheew. I was scared there for a second, as I can't afford a Batman game, but I hate passing one by. But it's based on the Frank Miller book. Great story (although I didn't like the way they told it), but I absolutely despised the artwork in that book. It makes the game much less of a must-have.
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YellowKing wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:27 pm The Dark Knight Returns game just launched so I immediately backed it. I'm in for the base version; the deluxe minis and case are nice, but for an extra $50 I'd rather just buy an additional game.

Things I like:
- Designed for solo only. I'm always intrigued by games designed specifically for solo play, particularly since that's the way I play my games 90% of the time.
- Theme - I'm a HUGE Batman fan, and The Dark Knight Returns storyline is an all-time classic
- Those custom batarang dice are completely absurd, and I'm a sucker for highly customized dice

Things that scare me:
- I'm not yet sold on the board design. Looks more like a 1950s spy game than a Batman game
- Replayability - it is fun enough to run through the campaign more than once?
- I didn't particularly care for either of the Cryptozoic published games I played (DC Deckbuilding game and Walking Dead: No Sanctuary)

Hoping there are some good stretch goals. I'm still open to backing out depending on seeing some gameplay previews. But for now I'm in.
This looks interesting but not a fan of the "old man Batman" look and more importantly I already have a Batman game on the way. Batman: The Animated Series Adventures, hoping to have it in hand by summer time.
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I've got the retail version of that one pre-ordered Tao. Very much looking forward to it.
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Another new Aeon's End game hit kickstarter today. I am not going to link it because then I'll be tempted to back it. Passing on Aeon's End, Zombicide and Batman is a whole new level of self control for me.
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This just kinda appeared, eh? Or am not following the Tiny Epic games closely enough?

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coopasonic wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:06 pm Another new Aeon's End game hit kickstarter today. I am not going to link it because then I'll be tempted to back it. Passing on Aeon's End, Zombicide and Batman is a whole new level of self control for me.
I honestly feel the same way now. I have Aeon's End fatigue. Something I never expected. But they're just coming so fast with these expansions. I haven't even played all I have from previous campaigns.
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I am actually tempted by the Tiny Epic Dungeons, I have Tiny Epic Galaxies, and like the concept. $40 seems like a total deal, but I'm not a big gamer. I would be playing solo, but possibly (?) with others.

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I watched the One Stop Co-op shop preview of Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. Note that it was just the first Book, so presumably the next three books get increasingly more difficult.

On its surface it's got some elements of Pandemic - running from location to location to clear out bad guys and media so that they don't overrun and cause riots. Loss condition if you run out of time on a doom track, etc.

Combat is pretty simple - roll dice & count the hits/blocks, roll dice for enemy & count the hits/blocks, etc. However there is some card mitigation as well.

Aside from that you have a little bit of Cthulhu: Death May Die going on as you're running around Gotham trying to beat up minions to collect enough clues (which are randomized and hidden) to uncover the boss. Then you go have the big boss showdown.

There are some interesting mechanics with the card randomization of your hand. For each of your four rounds, you draw three cards at random. One has to into the event deck (so its effect will always be bad). The other two you get to keep, though if it's a Fight card it goes into a separate Fight deck that gets drawn whenever you initiate combat. So there's a little bit of deckbuilding in the actual setup which I found kind of intriguing.

Another thing I really liked is the campaign aspect, in that your condition and upgrades will carry over from game to game. There are also bonus objective cards you can complete during your scenario that will earn you permanent upgrades to use in future scenarios.

In general the playthrough didn't necessarily blow me away and make me want to go all-in, nor did it make me want to back out of my base pledge. I'll have to get a few more impressions from previewers to really make up my mind.
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I’m a huge fan of the Tiny Epic line of games. Right now the only duds in the line for me have been Tiny Epic Western, not that it’s a bad game, just that it wasn’t what I was hoping.
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I would probably rather get a Not Tiny Epic Dungeon, but hepcat will generally buy any Dungeon Crawler faster than I can find out about it.
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Did it hours before you posted this.
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Oh no. I didn’t have an interest in Wild West Zombicide but unfortunately I do like steampunk. Now is it enough to pledge...?

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I am getting really annoyed with companies who start their next Kickstarter before the last one arrives. Getting the product scheduled for a ship then hitting me up for more money is annoying.

It’s also forcing my FOMO to acknowledge I haven’t played most of the games that arrived in the last 12 months.
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If it's an established company, I don't mind if the start another one once the previous one is out of their hands (IE - manufacturing is done and the product is enroute to a shipping partner.) But aren't they doing two campaigns at once now?
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Which they are we talking about? Gears & Guns is just an expansion for the game they are currently kickstarting. It is not a separate kickstarter/campaign. They have done base game + expansion for every zombicide kickstarter I remember. Now if they have something else running that's another deal. I don't chase CMON any more so I don't know.
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Ah, I saw it was on a different site and thought I was looking at a different project.
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CMON is terrible these days. Zombicide 2.0 boat just left the port.

But it’s not just them. Tiny Epic Pirates just got off the boat.
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Zarathud wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:10 pm CMON is terrible these days. Zombicide 2.0 boat just left the port.

But it’s not just them. Tiny Epic Pirates just got off the boat.
But CMON hasn't had a kickstarted project that failed to deliver the goods right? What's the longest delay on one of their projects?
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