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Holman wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:04 pm Since that NATO vote was an easy pass, I assume the No votes are less about flattering Putin and more about preserving a near-100% record of voting against anything Democrats support. Gotta keep those numbers up for the campaign ads.
You make it sound like the ads need to be truthful.
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Oh I think the absolute purity of their evil is the one data point they hold quite dear.
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Or they're all on the take. I think Russian money flows free and wide inside the Republican party.
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That’s almost a given. I think Holman’s point was that this was a vote where they could have said to their Russian handler that it would be a good time to hide their Russian connection, because the passing of the vote was a done deal.
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YellowKing wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:36 am Or they're all on the take. I think Russian money flows free and wide inside the Congress.
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Unagi wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:14 am That’s almost a given. I think Holman’s point was that this was a vote where they could have said to their Russian handler that it would be a good time to hide their Russian connection, because the passing of the vote was a done deal.
Too nuanced and subtle for that gaggle of ass fasteners.
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YellowKing wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:36 am Or they're all on the take. I think Russian money flows free and wide inside the Republican party.
Probably a bit less so since the sanctions.
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This is how Putin wins:

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Obviously it’s important for these thing to be said out loud now.
The sentiment isn’t a shock to any of us, but if he never said it we couldn’t (at the very least) use the sound bite against him, for those that care.
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I think MTG's stupidity is at least partially an act, and she's doing a good job here of pretending to be innocent of what "Christian Nationalism" means to people who espouse the movement.

But then she goes on to assert very explicitly that the Republicans ought to do what's right for "most Americans" and stop caring about minorities.
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Texas billionaires bankroll the far right in Texas:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/24/politics ... index.html
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Holman wrote:

I think MTG's stupidity is at least partially an act, and she's doing a good job here of pretending to be innocent of what "Christian Nationalism" means to people who espouse the movement.

But then she goes on to assert very explicitly that the Republicans ought to do what's right for "most Americans" and stop caring about minorities.
She's also worthless to her constituents:



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Yes but were they Christian Nationalist projects?
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Pyperkub wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:35 am
But then she goes on to assert very explicitly that the Republicans ought to do what's right for "most Americans" and stop caring about minorities.
She's also worthless to her constituents:

She's not being hypocrite of pork spending, so I guess that's something "positive" about her, quite unlike, say a Rand Paul.
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Shameless and ironic - the America First organization no longer cares about the Constitution:



The guy isn’t even fazed by the question, no embarrassment whatsoever.

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I got about 75% through Tim Miller's new book - Why We Did It over the weekend. He argues tha he saw the same themes less concentrated during his work on McCain's campaign in 2008 and they'v e only gotten worse over time. He has in my mind successfully argued that Trump might have been the most dangerous near-term expression, the real problem is a large enough part of the population subscribes to the darkness considering our broken system and the current form of weaponized populism.

And then goes on to say that he saw lots of otherwise good people sink into the murk and never seemed to return because it is the road to power. I haven't finished it yet but it definitely doesn't do much to dispel the belief we are ultimately pretty boned. It informs me that Trumpism isn't going to die with Trump. It might even be inaccurate to call it Trumpism though the label will probably stick.
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Grifman wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:02 am Shameless and ironic - the America First organization no longer cares about the Constitution:



The guy isn’t even fazed by the question, no embarrassment whatsoever.

Thus is how facism comes to America.
He's trying very hard to make Trump sound like a policy president. I wonder if he could even name any.
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Right. More like "Stunningn no one"
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Maybe he meant nice day camp like retreat areas?
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Holman wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:37 pm

I think MTG's stupidity is at least partially an act, and she's doing a good job here of pretending to be innocent of what "Christian Nationalism" means to people who espouse the movement.

But then she goes on to assert very explicitly that the Republicans ought to do what's right for "most Americans" and stop caring about minorities.


Here's Matt Gaetz working to normalize the term.

We can expect more of this.
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Holman wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:15 pm
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Holman wrote:
Holman wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:37 pm

I think MTG's stupidity is at least partially an act, and she's doing a good job here of pretending to be innocent of what "Christian Nationalism" means to people who espouse the movement.

But then she goes on to assert very explicitly that the Republicans ought to do what's right for "most Americans" and stop caring about minorities.


Here's Matt Gaetz working to normalize the term.

We can expect more of this.
It’s not quite the same, but I had a conversation a few years back that went in a very similar direction. The guy was older, clearly smart, but was corrupted by conservative media. Fox News was the center for him. Anything else was far left.

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Holman wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:15 pm
Holman wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:37 pm

I think MTG's stupidity is at least partially an act, and she's doing a good job here of pretending to be innocent of what "Christian Nationalism" means to people who espouse the movement.

But then she goes on to assert very explicitly that the Republicans ought to do what's right for "most Americans" and stop caring about minorities.


Here's Matt Gaetz working to normalize the term.

We can expect more of this.
Not just normalizing. Literally wearing it as a badge of pride.

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Apparently Cruz and Hawley shared a celebratory fist bump when they helped block the burn pit bill for veterans.



I'm with Jon Stewart here. The anger is the right level for these absolute ghouls. Also fascinating to watch Stewart deconstruct the lies they are telling.

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Arguably the most vicious bit of satire I have ever seen



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This is about as low a move as I've seen since they shrugged at children being murdered at school. So maybe this time it'll cost them.
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Ahh. the Onion
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Reality has made the Onion largely redundant.
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Just making clear that the source of that information was The Onion, cause - these days it's not hard to bite on that stuff being entirely accurate.
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Heres the news story to go with that posted Tweet

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Video Shows Republicans Fist Bumping After Blocking Veteran Healthcare Bill

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I know that almost all politicians these days, D and R, are self serving assholes and I would never try and defend any of them, but isnt shit like this just propaganda? How in the world does anyone know what they were fist bumping about, let alone saying as fact that it was about blocking aid to vets?

Maybe it was a congratulatory bump over finding out that lesion on his dick wasnt herpes.
Maybe it was secret code for "I'll see you in the locker room in 10".
Maybe it was to celebrate booking a trip together to Mexico.

You can take the optics and make them whatever you want.
Was it "Yay.....fuck them vets"? Maybe. But honestly, who really knows except those in the little circle jerk.
I'd kind of think you guys are smart enough to not get sucked into media manipulation such as this.
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Unagi wrote:Just making clear that the source of that information was The Onion, cause - these days it's not hard to bite on that stuff being entirely accurate.
Note that this is not regarding the first bump, but rather link I said was satire...
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stimpy wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:54 pm I know that almost all politicians these days, D and R, are self serving assholes and I would never try and defend any of them, but isnt shit like this just propaganda? How in the world does anyone know what they were fist bumping about, let alone saying as fact that it was about blocking aid to vets?
Because that happened right after the vote results were announced.
Maybe it was a congratulatory bump over finding out that lesion on his dick wasnt herpes.
Maybe it was secret code for "I'll see you in the locker room in 10".
Maybe it was to celebrate booking a trip together to Mexico.
It's possible. Extremely unlikely but possible. Some of us aren't in the mood to give these absolute ghouls the benefit of the doubt anymore.
You can take the optics and make them whatever you want.
Was it "Yay.....fuck them vets"? Maybe. But honestly, who really knows except those in the little circle jerk.
I'd kind of think you guys are smart enough to not get sucked into media manipulation such as this.
In the end, they still blocked the bill which essentially said, "fuck them vets". Even if it wasn't a celebration of killing the bill, their actual actions are there for you to see. It's all the worst since we know they voted for the bill in the first place and talked their support of it. Then they blocked the re-vote to fix a drafting error because they are rotten child-persons throwing a tantrum. Again figuratively it is very much "fuck them vets". So please do us a favor and spare us this absolute bullshit.
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stimpy wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:54 pm I know that almost all politicians these days, D and R, are self serving assholes and I would never try and defend any of them, but isnt shit like this just propaganda? How in the world does anyone know what they were fist bumping about, let alone saying as fact that it was about blocking aid to vets?

Maybe it was a congratulatory bump over finding out that lesion on his dick wasnt herpes.
Maybe it was secret code for "I'll see you in the locker room in 10".
Maybe it was to celebrate booking a trip together to Mexico.

You can take the optics and make them whatever you want.
Was it "Yay.....fuck them vets"? Maybe. But honestly, who really knows except those in the little circle jerk.
I'd kind of think you guys are smart enough to not get sucked into media manipulation such as this.
I'm not a self-serving asshole defender, but...
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Nah, I don't think it was 'Fuck the vets." I think that they'd decided ahead of time that the vets would be acceptable collateral damage in a plan to (whatever.) They were fist bumping that they'd succeeded in their plan. The vets getting fucked was a side effect of said plan, and probably didn't even enter into their minds once the plan had been decided on.

They're not targeting vets, they're just making strategic decisions toward their end-game goal, and not caring what ruin it brings along the way, as long as they win in the end.
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