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Title is picking up the ball from the article. The long and short of it is that it is more proof that the United States is a failed state. Compared to our peers our children die more often, they die younger, heck pretty much everyone dies younger unless you make it to 75.
The answer is varied. A big part of the difference between life and death in the U.S. and its peer countries is people dying or being killed before age 50. The "Shorter Lives" report specifically points to factors like teen pregnancy, drug overdoses, HIV, fatal car crashes, injuries, and violence.

"Two years difference in life expectancy probably comes from the fact that firearms are so available in the United States," Crimmins says. "There's the opioid epidemic, which is clearly ours – that was our drug companies and other countries didn't have that because those drugs were more controlled. Some of the difference comes from the fact that we are more likely to drive more miles. We have more cars," and ultimately, more fatal crashes.

"When we were doing it, we were joking we should call it 'Live free and die,' based on the New Hampshire slogan, ['Live free or die']," Crimmins says. "The National Academy of Sciences said, 'That's outrageous, that's too provocative.' "
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I'd put my own observations in the "general political" thread; wasn't sure if people would be interested in a dedicated topic. I probably should have, so thanks. :)

The article is eye-opening and should be a red-siren moment for Americans. Not really sure if anything will change though; we're a goddamn mess.
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Also living poor. Other countries probably take care of the poor better....and the elder care sucks here. Also GOP led states.
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I put this in the other thread before seeing this one.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:17 pm Opioids and other Rx drugs, suicide, car crashes, alcohol, COVID...

It's not what old people are dying from that brings down life expectancy, it's what young people are dying from.

25 - 44 top three, in order:
Poisoning, Suicide, Road Traffic Accidents. COVID in the top 5 for both.

45 and up, COVID is in the to 3 for all demographics.

Also of note for metro areas >250K residents:

Top 20
1.Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT 83.0
2. San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley, CA 82.9
3. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA 82.8
4. New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA 82.6
5. Urban Honolulu, HI 82.5
6. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 82.5
7. Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL 82.5
8. San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad, CA 82.2
9. North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, FL 81.9
10. Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO 81.8
11. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 81.8
12. Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown, TX 81.6
13. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 81.5
14. Sacramento-Roseville-Folsom, CA 81.5
15. Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 81.4
16. Tucson, AZ 81.3
17. Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH 81.2
18. Brownsville-Harlingen, TX 81.0
19. Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI 80.7
20. Green Bay, WI 80.7



Bottom 20
1. Jackson, MS 74.4
2. Mobile, AL 74.4
3. Birmingham-Hoover, AL 74.6
4. Montgomery, AL 74.7
5. Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX 75.2
6. Memphis, TN-MS-AR 75.5
7. Knoxville, TN 75.5
8. Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR 75.6
9. Spartanburg, SC 75.9
10. Chattanooga, TN-GA 76.0
11. Jacksonville, FL 76.1
12. Scranton--Wilkes-Barre, PA 76.1
13. Greenville-Anderson, SC 76.2
14. Roanoke, VA 76.2
15. Lynchburg, VA 76.3
16. Savannah, GA 76.3
17. Amarillo, TX 76.3
18. Lafayette, LA 76.4
19. Shreveport-Bossier City, LA 76.4
20. Tulsa, OK 76.4
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Notice how in the list theres no southern states listed except Florida and thats because there are so many elderly Id bet. The worst states are all southern nearly and mostly GOP led.
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Life in the south is nasty, brutish and short.
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I reckon life expectancy tracks household income fairly closely.
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The Great Medicaid Purge begins this weekend.

Starting at midnight Saturday, the first of an expected 15 million people will be kicked off Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). At least five states — Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, South Dakota — have said they will begin terminating coverage throughout the month of April.

Other states have said they will follow. The entire purge, which is completely legal, will take place over a year.

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Early in the pandemic, as a condition of receiving additional federal funding, states were temporarily barred from kicking anyone off Medicaid. This was intended to guarantee more people access to medical care while the coronavirus crisis was raging. Better to err on the side of keeping people insured, lawmakers figured, lest any cash-strapped states find excuses to dump patients to save money. Or maybe states would terminate lots of beneficiaries by accident, amid the chaos of office closures.

Thanks to this federal policy change, Medicaid and CHIP rolls swelled, and the country’s uninsured rate fell to a record low last year. But as covid risks abated, all sorts of emergency safety-net measures, from extra food stamps to free covid vaccinations, have been phased out. Everyone knew that, at some point, the relaxed Medicaid regulations would likely sunset, too.

That sunset begins this Saturday. As a result, a lot of Americans are about to fall through the cracks of our haphazard health-insurance system, and become uninsured altogether.

In fact, many will become uninsured even if they still legally qualify for Medicaid!

According to government estimates, nearly half the people expected to get purged from Medicaid (6.8 million) will still be eligible for Medicaid. Among children, the share is even higher: 72 percent of children expected to lose their Medicaid or CHIP coverage will technically still be eligible for Medicaid or CHIP.

The degree of government failure here should be considered scandalous. To be clear: These people are not losing insurance because their incomes rose, or they aged out of a given program. Rather, they’re losing coverage for pointless bureaucratic reasons. Maybe a letter got sent to the wrong address. Or a beneficiary had difficulty with a broken government website.
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Does the drop start in 2018 or 2019? Not totally sure from the graph.

The obvious answer for such a recent and sharp drop would be comparative handling of the pandemic (and also pandemic effects against our preexisting health systems). But that doesn't totally make sense for a drop starting in 2019 or 2018.
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We were trending down in 2018; the pandemic accelerated and/or exacerbated the factors contributing to our overall decline (in comparison to other similar nations).

This should be a HUGE wake up call but instead we're removing additional services (like malchior's article), attacking women's health and seeing politicians arguing against feeding school children. For a group that's always quick to (incorrectly) suggest we're a "nation founded on Christian ideals", add me to the group of people pointing out the obvious.
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I think also it is important to look at the whole shape of that graph. This is not a new problem. We've lagged behind our peer countries in general for decades despite the United States being the leader in therapeutic development. We develop great medical techniques and drugs and export them to the world. Our population reaps almost none of the benefit. We should be ashamed, sad, outraged, etc. Instead the powers that be have us fighting over nonsense issues. Many of which involving tiny parts of the population extractiong reams of money by intentionally depressing life expectancy (e.g. gun manufacturers or Sacklers). It's horrible.
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malchior wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:37 am I think also it is important to look at the whole shape of that graph. This is not a new problem. We've lagged behind our peer countries in general for decades despite the United States being the leader in therapeutic development. We develop great medical techniques and drugs and export them to the world. Our population reaps almost none of the benefit. We should be ashamed, sad, outraged, etc. Instead the powers that be have us fighting over nonsense issues. Many of which involving tiny parts of the population extractiong reams of money by intentionally depressing life expectancy (e.g. gun manufacturers or Sacklers). It's horrible.
from the article wrote:Some of the policies he's identified as helpful include universal, better coordinated health care...
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Here's some additional analysis provided with an economic lens:


At *every* point on the income distribution, Americans live shorter lives than the English. It’s actually worse than that chart made out, because at most points on the income distribution, Americans earn much more than Brits. Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline.
I spent about 4 days in Blackpool back in the early 1990s; I had no idea about its status but man...that's something.

Additionally:
Time for perhaps the most damning stat of all: One in 25 American five-year-olds today will not make it to their 40th birthday.

No parent should ever have to bury their child, but on average across the US one set of parents from every kindergarten class most likely will.
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